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[Bail_Darilar]

Hi I haven't seen the movie yet but I read some reviews on Amazon and a few mentioned that there are some inconsistencies with established lore for example "Biotics need 'power cells' to fuel their attacks (which should be a natural extension of their nervous system)". Is this true? I've declined to read Mass Effect Deception because it breaks lore so frivolously and was disappointed with the Dragon Age animated offering due to a) the stupidity of how they handled what was an interesting story premise how they broke lore (an army of stone golems and ogres being controlled by a group of mages is the biggest bs ever) should I do the same with this?

[katamuro]

They do have hiccups often but most of them are about how guns work. if you have chance watching it for free do so as it does make James Vega a much better character. But yeah it does have a lot of lore inconsistencies.

[Mathias]

Yes. It's essentially Deception 2.0

[dreman9999]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yes. It's essentially Deception 2.0

Far from it.

[MegaSovereign]

Is the sky blue?

The fact is this. The Citadel and Sovereign being intact is comparatively small problem. PL had way too many character inconsistencies. James worshipping The Shepard even though in ME3 he doesn't seem like a big fan. Hackett telling James not "to be like Shepard" even though throughout the series he has commended Shepard's efforts. The Alliance apparently having intel about about the Reapers and the cure to the Collector swarms' effects and still not doing jack about it. The Bloodpack apparently being able to hold their own against Alliance soldiers. Oh and the fact that James got the N7 promotion before ME3, which by itself would invalidate his entire character arc in the third game.


Dude, PL is not canon. It can't be canon. If it is canon, then the James in PL is not the same James in ME3. I haven't read Deception so IDGAF about any comparisons about who screwed up more.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 08 janvier 2013 - 08:11 .

[Jonathan Sud]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Alliance apparently having intel about about the Reapers and the cure to the Collector swarms' effects and still not doing jack about it. The Bloodpack apparently being able to hold their own against Alliance soldiers. Oh and the fact that James got the N7 promotion

They could have gotten the intel just before or while Shepard was destroying the base. They don't specify in the movie what year it is. And even if it was pre-ME2, you don't know if the Alliance used it or not. Just because they didn't tell Shepard, doesn't mean they didn't know. Anderson didn't even tell Shepard where Kaidan/Ashley was, so why would he tell him about Collector info. And speaking of Kaidan/Ashley, just how in the hell did they survive the swarms on Horizon? It never made sense before, but now it does.

And why WOULDN'T the Blood Pack be able to hold their own? Krogan are practically mini-dinosaurs that have rough skin, three sets of vital organs, and regenerate. They're tough to kill. The vorcha and varren make excellent additions to their operations as well. You may very well blast your way through them in the games, but from a lore perspective, anyone would have trouble with them. Even Alliance Marines.

As for the N7 offer, it was simply that. An offer to be a special forces leader. I doubt he would've accepted it after he felt like he failed big-time. That's probably why when he got offered again, he consulted with Shepard, to see if he went through anything similar to his failed mission.

OP, if you really know your ME lore, and can wiggle a few visual mistakes aside, then definitely give PL a watch. Especially since many have uploaded it for free on Youtube.

Modifié par Jonathan Sud, 08 janvier 2013 - 09:03 .

[JamieCOTC]

The writers at Funamation must adhere to the saying of never let continuity get in the way of telling a good story.

The Shepard worship is really weird and in that respect PL lost paints James as Conrad Verner w/ a gun. It also makes Vega’s abrupt entry into ME3 even more awkward. Lore errors aside, if you like James, it does flesh out his character a bit more.

[Shermos]

The Shepard worship is weird? I don't think so.

When PL takes place, Shepard had saved the galaxy from the Reapers and was being played up big time in Alliance propaganda. There's good reason for James to idolise him. After the events of PL however, James is dealing with the choice he made and then finds out that he didn't actually need the intel he found and could have saved those colonists, because of Shepard's actions. He then gets to meet him after Arrival and get to know the man in the flesh. It seems obvious that that's going to change his opinion for the worse.

Remember when Shepard talked to James in purgatory. He's told that the soldiers don't know the real Shepard like James does. All they see is a stereotyped hero.

There are some minor breaks from lore like Sovereign still being intact and the citadel orbiting a planet. I can deal with those and accept that they are small mistakes. You don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Comandr NUMSKUL]

There is some lore-breaking with some of the weapons, and maybe some more minor inconsistencies. But... SPOILER WARNING!!!!

With the Shepard-worship- In ME3 Vega says he didn't worship Shepard like the other marines did because HE SAW Shepard in action; after the events of Paragon Lost in which he did worship Shepard.

With the intact Sovereign- Did we even see it COMPLETELY destroyed? Because I only remember a few pieces of it crashing into the Council chambers.

With the Alliance having the swarm antidote- The Collector abductions happened in the Traverse and the Terminus; both ARE NOT under Alliance control, which is why they can't send in a large fleet to prevent these abductions. But they would serch for countermeasures they could use against the swarms.

With Vega's N7 status at the end- Vega does decide to join the N7 program during ME3, so I figured this happened after ME3. But I didn't read any book sequels to ME3, so I can't verify this.

Well that's just my take on the bigger "lore problems" in Paragon Lost.

UPDATE: I just played through ME1 again, and Sovereign was not intact. But then again the animation studio did do a few wierd things (such as the Collectors size).

Modifié par Comandr NUMSKUL, 17 janvier 2013 - 02:45 .

[ValintineL]

It seems like there are a lot of parts in the movie that need to be explained to fit. To me that's never a good sign.

[animedreamer]

 read all the other paragon lost threads and you will have your answer.

[AlexMBrennan]

With the intact Sovereign- Did we even see it COMPLETELY destroyed? Because I only remember a few pieces of it crashing into the Council chambers.

The councillors say exactly that in ME2, although I concede that they could have been lying for the lulz and/or because Shepard is a terrorist

[Bail_Darilar]

Thanks guys I think I'm gonna watch it and form my own opinion since theres alot of mixed opinions about the lore breaking.

[jancz89]

slightly better anime Deception, it's broken really bad in some moments, last 15 minutes with Vega are good but all in all... 40%
it seriously breakes lore in the first 3 minutes in about two or three things

Modifié par jancz89, 10 janvier 2013 - 03:56 .

[Samtheman63]

the power cell was for the guys shield, nothing to do with biotics

and james promotion to n7 is blatently a flashforward, so no he doesnt get it before me3

but yeah, its far from perfect

[felipejiraya]

For real, Paragon Lost is not even half bad as Deception in terms of lore breaking.

[xsdob]

There is just one 50 second scene the breaks lore, and it involves the citadel. This can be dismissed as a visual error by the animation team though, but it still does break lore.

Outside of that, the movie is pretty damn solid unless you go in with the sole intent to nitpick and misconstrue things to claim they break lore.

[gw2005]

actually liked it, I watched it just before my started currently playthrough, it really does add a lot of context to Vega, made a fuller character out of him.

As for the lore, three things.
1. powercell powered biotics. (I guess if they backed off from auto-cooldown weapons, might as well do it to biotic amp too)
2. multiple collector vessels. I thought there was only one (or so it was implied), and shep had it destroyed. But again, if they're coming back in multiplayers now, I can't complain about a movie.
3. giant collectors, nuf said.

aside from that, it's just the minor visual details I guess. It's no big deal, because that's what we call REAL artistic integrity.

Modifié par gw2005, 10 janvier 2013 - 07:51 .

[Not...Mordin]

How about that fraternisation between that one hoe bag and the biotic and the kodiak pilot.

[Sebby]

JamieCOTC wrote...

The writers at Funamation must adhere to the saying of never let continuity get in the way of telling a good story

They're in the same boat as the writers of ME2 and 3 then.

[KenLyns]

Comandr NUMSKUL wrote...
With the intact Sovereign- Did we even see it COMPLETELY destroyed? Because I only remember a few pieces of it crashing into the Council chambers.

Yes, Sovereign was completely destroyed.

http://youtu.be/bNnd6oUEQ2I?t=5m23s

[Han Shot First]

The thing with Sovereign I don't even see as an issue.

We see that scene of Sovereign being towed while Liara is explaining to Treeya and Vega that Sovereign was a Reaper. It is a flashback scene from two years before, and isn't happening currently.

As such the scene shouldn't really be taken literally, its just how it is being imagined (by Vega I presume) while the story is being told.

[Eterna]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yes. It's essentially Deception 2.0

Not even ****ing close.

The screw ups are so minor that it doesn;t even matter or take away from the experience.

"Sovereign, his corpse is whole!?! LORE IS BROKEN FOREVER!!!1"

Seriously, give me a break. 

[Comandr NUMSKUL]

KenLyns wrote...

Comandr NUMSKUL wrote...
With the intact Sovereign- Did we even see it COMPLETELY destroyed? Because I only remember a few pieces of it crashing into the Council chambers.

Yes, Sovereign was completely destroyed.

http://youtu.be/bNnd6oUEQ2I?t=5m23s

Yeah, sorry about that. It's been awhile since I had played the first one. I updated my post.

[Frozen Mind]

From my point of view, what's lore breaking (mostly details):
- N7 training is still possible after ME3, but in the movie the date of epilogue is not mentioned. Feels like it's close to the rest of movie's plot and happens before ME3 (when Vega meets Shepard),
- Vega didn't mention Treeya, which seemed an important person during mission, especially while he made important choice,
- those large Collectors are not present in games. Is it an adaptation of Scions or something? Collector General also seems smaller than in movie... maybe too much Farscape (Pilot character),
- asari anatomy (folds count on head),
- possibly krogan anatomy (chin too pointy),
- weapons graphics are nice, but firing mode and sounds doesn't match ME games,
- I think Kodiak dropships aren't that maneuverable,
- soldiers are too agile in that armors, but it's just their artistic integrity.

Correct me if I'm wrong in any of that points.