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[timj2011]

Arcian wrote...

Oh look, a bunch of BD vermin crawling out of the woodwork. Why haven't you been exterminated yet?

Did I miss something?

[fiendishchicken]

It takes the lore and gleefully smashes it into the floor like that an ex-wife is a total nympho in bed, but is also a borderline psychotic.

Yeah. It's pretty bad.

Bad enough that it's anime.

[xsdob]

Arcian wrote...

Oh look, a bunch of BD vermin crawling out of the woodwork. Why haven't you been exterminated yet?

Ah yes, the new fanboi movement of bioware. Your not a true fan unless you hate them and everything they do right?

[Sanunes]

Unless they incorporate that information into the game its not considered canon, at least that is what it sounds like what happens with Dragon Age.

[survivor_686]

In response to OP:

The anime adaptation does this some liberties with canon, mainly locations and character size. Not enough to ruin the movie completely on canon alone, but enough that someone whom had played the series will be a little puzzled.

[KenLyns]

felipejiraya wrote...
For real, Paragon Lost is not even half bad as Deception in terms of lore breaking.

+1. Deception 2.0 would be like Vega turning gay and developing autism...

I liked the violence level in the combat scenes, sniper rifle cutting Vorcha in half, etc. 

Treeya not mentioned in ME3 is akin to Kahlee not mentioned in ME1 or ME2. 

Modifié par KenLyns, 18 janvier 2013 - 03:11 .

[Han Shot First]

timj2011 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Oh look, a bunch of BD vermin crawling out of the woodwork. Why haven't you been exterminated yet?

Did I miss something?

Some people just get their panties in a bind when other posters dare to have a difference of opinon.

Nothing to see here really.

[DeathIsHere]

Frozen Mind wrote...

From my point of view, what's lore breaking (mostly details):
- N7 training is still possible after ME3, but in the movie the date of epilogue is not mentioned. Feels like it's close to the rest of movie's plot and happens before ME3 (when Vega meets Shepard),
This is a good point, but the movie doesn't specify A, when that took place and B, if he accepted. Just because it was offered doesn't mean he said yes.
- Vega didn't mention Treeya, which seemed an important person during mission, especially while he made important choice,
May have been trying to keep his thoughst focused on the mission in ME3 as it's for the sake of the entire galaxy and personal feelings could get in the way. Another good point though.
- those large Collectors are not present in games. Is it an adaptation of Scions or something? Collector General also seems smaller than in movie... maybe too much Farscape (Pilot character),
This one puzzled me as well, I'm with you on maybe them being Scions. The General being a bit smaller is just the translation to anime art style.
- asari anatomy (folds count on head),
Again, translation to anime art style causes things to change a bit look wise.
- possibly krogan anatomy (chin too pointy),
See above.
- weapons graphics are nice, but firing mode and sounds doesn't match ME games,
Again, this is an anime translation issue but in a different way. The way ME guns shoot you don't really see a lot of the bullets whereas in animes they like things to be visible and flashy. It's inconsistent but somewhat expected.
- I think Kodiak dropships aren't that maneuverable,
There's nothing to stop them from it, with the right modifications. Different needs and uses will call for adjustments and that could be what we were seeing there.
- soldiers are too agile in that armors, but it's just their artistic integrity.
Probably artistic integrity, but Shepard's shown some agility in his armor as well. Nothing too major.

Correct me if I'm wrong in any of that points.

Added my thoughts in bold. Honestly, I thought this movie was great and really made Vega more interesting. When a movie can make me get into the character and really move me like this one did, it's a success. I don't think the lore was broken very much at all, bent at times (things like the gunfire, Scion/Giants, etc) but not outright trashed and contradicted at all.

To answer the OPs question more concisely, nothing from the lore was broken so badly that it'd ruin the experience, if at all. Things were bent but nothing so major that you'd feel it diminished the experience. It took the story it had available and worked it into something amazing. Should definitely give it a watch if you can.

Also, it's been stated that Biotics need Amps to work effectively so that's what he may have been referring to. Human biotics aren't natural.

[vware]

It does:
Collectors too big
Weapon firing not correct (to fast, wrong sounds)
View from citadel shows planet. Doesn't match timeline (pre ME3 ending)
Need for "batteries" for biotics to work.


Nothing too bad though. I don't like anime in general but thought it was decent.

Modifié par vware, 22 janvier 2013 - 12:28 .

[aj2070]

I've seen it. It does play fast and loose with lore. After all, how does Vega get promoted to Lt. Commander then demoted back to Lt. before Mass Effect 3? The collectors are also out of scale established in Mass Effect 2 and 3 multi-player. However, I don't see it as deception mk.2.

[loungeshep]

Okay so, easy question, is it worth a purchase, or just a rental?

[The Devlish Redhead]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

With the intact Sovereign- Did we even see it COMPLETELY destroyed? Because I only remember a few pieces of it crashing into the Council chambers.

The councillors say exactly that in ME2, although I concede that they could have been lying for the lulz and/or because Shepard is a terrorist

How so? How is Shepard a terrorist?

I was put off buying the film from comments on BSN.... I might just go my own way and see for myself now 

Modifié par AdelaideJohn1967, 22 janvier 2013 - 11:31 .

[The Real Bowser]

Given what I've heard about Paragon Lost, and how much criticism it's received, it's pretty clear that this is a fun movie worth watching for free (or for rental price), but that it's overall, a below average movie and not very good in comparison to, well, better anime. Also, that if you try and analyze it canonically, it will drive you nuts and make you hate the movie. Save yourself the trouble.

I haven't watched it yet. If it's available for free on TV or for rental, I'll check it out. It's not worth $15 for me to see it.

I do have to agree with the above poster's sentiment, though.  When movies like this are discussed this heavily with people liking it and hating it, it makes you want to see for yourself.

Modifié par The Real Bowser, 23 janvier 2013 - 12:29 .

[The Real Bowser]

loungeshep wrote...

Okay so, easy question, is it worth a purchase, or just a rental?

This isn't really an easy question.  But it seems pretty clear to me.  Any movie like this that's debated this heavily is not a 'buy it now' kind of thing.  The only movies I would buy are the ones I know I will love and watch over and over.  A movie like this is definitely a rental if you don't know for a fact you'll love it.  But that's just my opinion... you'll have to make up your own mind.

[Bail_Darilar]

Firstly, I would like to say that apart from a few inconsistencies and strange character developments, the movie itself wasn't that bad. I was quite entertained by most of it and probably would have been more engaged if I wasn't trying to spot flaws in the lore. But otherwise for those who haven't watched it, I suggest you don't read many of the other posts in this thread and you don't read the rest of what I have to say beyond the spoiler alert.

*** POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD***

Ok some thingsthat I noticed I have explanations for and mostly these are things others noticed too:

1. REALLY minor but I guy in Vega's team had glasses. In one of the novels I believe, it is mentioned that technology has advanced to the point where visual-impairment is a non-issue. You would presume for a soldier it would be mandatory to have next-to-perfect vision so as not to be a nuisance on the battlefield. Didnt bother me much but thought I'd point it out.

2.The dropships seem to be a helluva alot more maneuverable than they were in the games, yet again minor and can be put down to entertainment and presentation.

3. Vega seems quite different than how he is in ME3. For one he seems to respect the chain of command alot more and seems to be a sensible leader. Vega in ME3 on the otherhand seems to be more of a musclebound rookie, more of a lad or a jock if you will, one of the boys. He like to crack jokes, gamble, drink with the team and other soldiers and although you get the feel for that in Paragon Lost it's definately lessened. Now I believe this can be explained by say a shake of confidence in his abilities etc after what happened to the colony causing him to lose track abit which is why you see him drinking in a bar during one of the comics, and since he isn't in a leadership position during ME3 he doesn't have those worries to deal with

4.Biotics used pack to fuel their ablites, I think this can easily be explained. Since biotic users need larger amounts of energy to fuel their biotics you can assume that some form of suit was manufactured that would assisst the user in using biotic abilities and these suits could be powered by energy packs or use the same energy packs which maintain shields etc.

5. Sovereign intact... yeah everyone ahs pointed tis as a fault... 'nuff said.

6. Giant collector's on the ship - there were very few of them in the movie and they were mainly seen around the collector general or as guards. It can be assumed then that they are very few in number and we just did not encounter them in the game.

7. I thought It was strange how quickly Messner and Treeya came to the conclusions of the human dna and nutrients being used to create human reapers when it took Shepard and his team a whole game to figure it out. You can excuse the fact that Shepard wasn't contacted with this info from Anderson due to Cerberus being involved.

Modifié par Bail_Darilar, 11 février 2013 - 12:39 .

[Argentoid]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

Firstly, I would like to say that apart from a few inconsistencies and strange character developments, the movie itself wasn't that bad. I was quite entertained by most of it and probably would have been more engaged if I wasn't trying to spot flaws in the lore. But otherwise for those who haven't watched it, I suggest you don't read many of the other posts in this thread and you don't read the rest of what I have to say beyond the spoiler alert.

*** POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD***

Ok some thingsthat I noticed I have explanations for and mostly these are things others noticed too:

1. REALLY minor but I guy in Vega's team had glasses. In one of the novels I believe, it is mentioned that technology has advanced to the point where visual-impairment is a non-issue. You would presume for a soldier it would be mandatory to have next-to-perfect vision so as not to be a nuisance on the battlefield. Didnt bother me much but thought I'd point it out.

2.The dropships seem to be a helluva alot more maneuverable than they were in the games, yet again minor and can be put down to entertainment and presentation.

3. Vega seems quite different than how he is in ME3. For one he seems to respect the chain of command alot more and seems to be a sensible leader. Vega in ME3 on the otherhand seems to be more of a musclebound rookie, more of a lad or a jock if you will, one of the boys. He like to crack jokes, gamble, drink with the team and other soldiers and although you get the feel for that in Paragon Lost it's definately lessened. Now I believe this can be explained by say a shake of confidence in his abilities etc after what happened to the colony causing him to lose track abit which is why you see him drinking in a bar during one of the comics, and since he isn't in a leadership position during ME3 he doesn't have those worries to deal with

4.Biotics used pack to fuel their ablites, I think this can easily be explained. Since biotic users need larger amounts of energy to fuel their biotics you can assume that some form of suit was manufactured that would assisst the user in using biotic abilities and these suits could be powered by energy packs or use the same energy packs which maintain shields etc.

5. Sovereign intact... yeah everyone ahs pointed tis as a fault... 'nuff said.

6. Giant collector's on the ship - there were very few of them in the movie and they were mainly seen around the collector general or as guards. It can be assumed then that they are very few in number and we just did not encounter them in the game.

7. I thought It was strange how quickly Messner and Treeya came to the conclusions of the human dna and nutrients being used to create human reapers when it took Shepard and his team a whole game to figure it out. You can excuse the fact that Shepard wasn't contacted with this info from Anderson due to Cerberus being involved.

Well... I can live with that. :happy:

[Solo80]

As someone in this thread already mentioned, it's available for free on YouTube. I'd say if you're interested in learning more about Vega, it's definitely worth a watch.

One lore-breaking moment I haven't seen mentioned, though - which, paradoxically, was the only one that really stood out for me - was during a flashback where you see the Prothean extinction by the Reapers. The Protheans during this scene looked exactly like Collectors - which, for a player of ME1, qualifies as a pretty lore-breaking moment. Or has the look of the Protheans officially been retconned?

The whole Vega promotion/N7 stuff is also kinda weird, unless his drinking and temper got him demoted before ME3. Not impossible, I guess, considering where we find him in Conviction.

Overall, though, I'd recommend watching it on YouTube. It's worth your time, but probably not your money, if you know what I mean...

[JayPlays]

Not in any significant or really important way. The majority of lore inconsistencies are people picking at the way weapons work and the style of animation being inconsistent with that of the games. There are 1 or 2 issues but overall, it's a good story and an enjoyable film

[Bleachrude]

Er...Sovereign can not have been in THAT many pieces.

How else would the Thanix been developed if there wasn't enough large pieces of wreckage?

[JayPlays]

For the sake of appeasing myself, I'm going to believe that the clean up crew who had the responsibility of dumping Sovereign stuck him back together with a lot of duct tape for easy transportation

[Bail_Darilar]

Bleachrude wrote...

Er...Sovereign can not have been in THAT many pieces.

How else would the Thanix been developed if there wasn't enough large pieces of wreckage?

In ME1 It was blown up into a singificant amount of pieces, the turians however only salvaged the gun.

JayPlays wrote...

For the sake of appeasing myself, I'm
going to believe that the clean up crew who had the responsibility of
dumping Sovereign stuck him back together with a lot of duct tape for
easy transportation

I like this explantion giant space duct-tape!

[Bleachrude]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Er...Sovereign can not have been in THAT many pieces.

How else would the Thanix been developed if there wasn't enough large pieces of wreckage?

In ME1 It was blown up into a singificant amount of pieces, the turians however only salvaged the gun.

That...makes no sense. The main gun would be the LARGEST part of the ship The thanix is STILL a Mass accelerator and the ME is the thing that runs through the spine/main body of a ship.

How could sovereign be blown up into significant pieces and yet the main gun was recoverable?

[Bail_Darilar]

Bleachrude wrote...

Bail_Darilar wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Er...Sovereign can not have been in THAT many pieces.

How else would the Thanix been developed if there wasn't enough large pieces of wreckage?

In ME1 It was blown up into a singificant amount of pieces, the turians however only salvaged the gun.

That...makes no sense. The main gun would be the LARGEST part of the ship The thanix is STILL a Mass accelerator and the ME is the thing that runs through the spine/main body of a ship.

How could sovereign be blown up into significant pieces and yet the main gun was recoverable?

Who said they salvaged all of the gun? They could have easily just salvaged pieces of it, got the general jist of the technology and adapted it to existing designs to create the current Thanix cannon. We don't even know the anatomy of a Reaper or the structure of a gun let alone whether it resembles whats currently on the normandy (unlikely since the Thanix cannon seems to look turian rather than reaper). Furthermore http://youtu.be/GCuaPlrrE44?t=5m21s shows that there are still large portions of the reaper intact and it may be possible one of those pieces is the Thanix Cannon.