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[themikefest]

I think people here have very little awareness of why people like characters.

 

 

Thinking and knowing are two different things

[Jorji Costava]

I think people here have very little awareness of why people like characters.

 

Garrus is popular primarily because he's competent. Because he's hypercompetent. Because he demonstrates great courage and skill in setting up his vigilant operation and has a professional and charismatic attitude throughout the series that supports that competence.

 

All this 'worships the ground Shepard walks on' is entirely drivel. And demonstrates a rather poor understanding of simple cause and effect. Nearly all of the 'best friends' lines are present in ME 3 and almost certainly added in response to most players reacting very postively to Garrus in ME 2 and requesting such content.

 

I like Garrus well enough; not one of my favorites necessarily, but I certainly don't harbor any strong negative feelings towards the character. Still, I'd question what seems like the implicit assumption here, which is that 'competence' makes for a well-constructed character. Some of the most compelling characters, after all, are rather incompetent (i.e. Fredo from The Godfather, the villains of Fargo, etc.). By contrast, Wesley Crusher's mastery of everything is precisely what made people turn against the character. Whether competence contributes to the value of a character is mostly a contextual matter.

 

When people gripe that Garrus 'worships the ground Shepard walks on,' there's the seed of a legitimate worry here. It is a little odd that Garrus wants to be Shepard's bro no matter how rabidly pro-Cerberus Shepard might have been, or how obnoxious Shepard is, etc. While a lot of this probably has to do with resource limitations, I think it's a good thing when NPCs are given the agency to react to the PC's actions in ways that make sense for their characters.

[mybudgee]

Same reason Han Solo, Wolverine and Tony Stark are popular

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think people here have very little awareness of why people like characters.

 

Garrus is popular primarily because he's competent. Because he's hypercompetent. Because he demonstrates great courage and skill in setting up his vigilant operation and has a professional and charismatic attitude throughout the series that supports that competence.

 

All this 'worships the ground Shepard walks on' is entirely drivel. And demonstrates a rather poor understanding of simple cause and effect. Nearly all of the 'best friends' lines are present in ME 3 and almost certainly added in response to most players reacting very postively to Garrus in ME 2 and requesting such content.

 

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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Same reason Han Solo, Wolverine and Tony Stark are popular

 

Don't compare Garrus to them. Not only is Garrus different from them, but they're all different from each other. The only thing they have in common is that they're anti-heroes, and Garrus is a lot less of an anti-hero than they are, and a bit closer to a classic one.

[guigaccess]

As some people said, there is nothing to not like in Garrus.

 

He is your friend, he is cool, he is sexy to alien standards, he is funny... he is tailored to be a favorite, BioWare just made him a character to be loved.

 

 

That works for most of players.

Others, I include myself in this group, think "nothing to not like" is exactly what makes a character unlikable, though. Garrus is so perfect that, for some, he gets boring.

[Star fury]

Same reason Han Solo, Wolverine and Tony Stark are popular

Care to explain why you compare Garrus to them? They're not similar at all.

[zestalyn]

Same reason Han Solo, Wolverine and Tony Stark are popular

I agree with others when saying they're all very different from each other and from Garrus. But at the same I understand, mainly cause a huge common trait they all share is that they generally leave behind an aura of a total BAMF times ten. 

They are the "bad boy rebel" who don't have a history of following the rules. They are extremely reliable and confident, and despite their wayward backgrounds they have more than enough dignity to fulfill heroic deeds. Loose connections, but I can see how Garrus would have been written to fulfill that type of "stock character" in the ME-verse that characters like Han Solo, etc were written to fulfill. 

However the ways that Garrus is very different from those guys is part of the reason I love his character. While I find those guys lovable/irresistible like everyone else on the planet, I personally was never super hot about any of the above mentioned characters, mainly because they always seemed too obviously "over-edgy". Part of Garrus's charm comes from his occasional bouts of awkwardness, self-consciousness, and humorous self-deprecation. This is most obvious when you try to romance him, and that's a charm you wouldn't get as much if you were trying to romance Tony Stark/Han Solo/Wolverine.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I agree with others when saying they're all very different from each other and from Garrus. But at the same I understand, mainly cause a huge common trait they all share is that they generally leave behind an aura of a total BAMF times ten. 

They are the "bad boy rebel" who don't have a history of following the rules. They are extremely reliable and confident, and despite their wayward backgrounds they have more than enough dignity to fulfill heroic deeds. Loose connections, but I can see how Garrus would have been written to fulfill that type of "stock character" in the ME-verse that characters like Han Solo, etc were written to fulfill. 

Although the ways that Garrus is very different from those guys is part of the reason I love his character. While I find those guys lovable/irresistible like everyone else on the planet, I personally was never super hot about any of the above mentioned characters, mainly because they always seemed too obviously "over-edgy". Part of Garrus's charm comes from his occasional bouts of awkwardness, self-consciousness, and humorous self-deprecation. This is most obvious when you try to romance him, and that's a charm you wouldn't get as much if you were trying to romance Tony Stark/Han Solo/Wolverine.

 

I'd never call Tony an anti-hero. He nuts up and does the hero act gladly when it counts and doesnt come close to Han or Logan in that regard.

 

Only thing those three have in common is there ability to crack wise afaik.

[zestalyn]

I'd never call Tony an anti-hero. He nuts up and does the hero act gladly when it counts and doesnt come close to Han or Logan in that regard.

 

Only thing those three have in common is there ability to crack wise afaik.

 

Hm I wasn't particularly saying all four are "anti-heroes". But sure if we have to get technical on the definition of anti-hero, Garrus isn't particularly an  anti-hero either because he does good for the sake of good, as well. Although another way to look at the anti-hero thing is the fact they all four do heroic stuff without traditional heroic qualities like idealism, moral aptitude, or acts of mercy.

Either way, yeaa they all crack wise, but they're all also the stock 'rebel' characters in their respective universes. Heck, Garrus's unique "class power" in ME2/ME3 is Turian Rebel. That much is obvious i think hehe.

[Han Shot First]

I'd never call Tony an anti-hero. He nuts up and does the hero act gladly when it counts and doesnt come close to Han or Logan in that regard.

 

 

It depends on which version of Han Solo it is.

 

He is an anti-hero in the first two films, but he is more of a traditional hero in Return of the Jedi. His rogueish qualities are mostly absent. Its one of the reasons why the Return of the Jedi is the weakest film of the original trilogy.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

It depends on which version of Han Solo it is.

 

He is an anti-hero in the first two films, but he is more of a traditional hero in Return of the Jedi. His rogueish qualities are mostly absent. Its one of the reasons why the Return of the Jedi is the weakest film of the original trilogy.

 

Clearly talking about the Han that would shoot first and not the ***** that Lucas thinks the new fans wanna see.

[TurianRebel212]

Because he's Garrus. Nuff said. 

 

 

I mean it's like asking why the sky is blue or why fish breathe in water. It just is alright. Garrus is just cool. 

 

 

There is no Shepard without Vakarian. Bro's to the end. The Glimmer Twins of MEU. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zestalyn]

 

Because he's Garrus. Nuff said. 

 

 

I mean it's like asking why the sky is blue or why fish breathe in water. It just is alright. Garrus is just cool. 

 

 

There is no Shepard without Vakarian. Bro's to the end. The Glimmer Twins of MEU. 

 

There's no Shepard without Vakarian cause It'll take more than Reaper to come between this cross-species liaison    



And leave it to Gare-bear to teach Shepard how to properly dance   




While we're on the whole rebellious anti-hero streak, has anyone seen this vid by Acavyos? Dark Knight of Omega? I'm sure it's been discussed that Gare-bear is less like Batman and more like the Punisher but the whole 'dark knight' thing has a sexy ring to it and it didn't stop from someone from making this ridiculously good Dark Knight Hans Zimmer-esque trailer for Garrus: 

 

[guigaccess]

I wonder if I am the only person who actually thinks Wrex had more of a "Shepard bro" vibe than Garrus. I don't know, but even though he was only in the team during ME1 and Citadel, every scene with Wrex had that intimacy and mutual understanding that made me always see him as Shepard's best buddy.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

My Shepard doesn't have a 'bro'. He doesn't do 'bro's'. He has friends, but he's too serious of a person for a 'bro'. Miranda fills the role of soul mate for him, and is his confidant, support, advisor, and general therapist. She's the best friend he has and the one he talks to about everything. She plays that role for him. As for the squad, they're his subordinates.  He leads, they follow. They are not equals. Only Miranda has really earned that in his eyes.

[themikefest]

 My femshep has no bro. Doesn't need one. The line about no Shepard without Vakarian made me never  talk with Garrus ever again in London if he's alive in ME3

 

[mybudgee]

Thanks for covering me Zestalyn

[zestalyn]

Thanks for covering me Zestalyn

hehe no need to thank me. it was easy to see where you were coming from  

My femshep's best girlfrans' are totally Tali, Liara, and Jack. Didnt have time to make alot of broships, cause chicks before ____
Except for Garrus. Which turned into..stuff. cross-species liaison and all. heh

i love everyone though. everyone makes up one big happy awesome as hell family. 

[Hadeedak]

Since no one else has covered the obvious, I'll note Brandon Keener's voice sure doesn't hurt things.

[Mordokai]

With bros like Garrus and Kaidan and girlfriend like Liara, my Shep actually feels like she can take the Reapers.

 

Without them, well... it's doable, but not nearly as fun. Because who to fight for if not the people you love?

[zestalyn]

Since no one else has covered the obvious, I'll note Brandon Keener's voice sure doesn't hurt things.

Yea it does. It hurts things. like my HEART  

[Nightwriter]

Games wouldn't be very fun if characters reacted realistically to 'evil' decisions. And that goes for pretty much every game in existence. You never really see a game where being evil compromises the player character's freedom or power. Nobody wants to play 'Sit-in-Prison-Simulator-4000.'

 

Making a fun and functional game has to come first.

 

Of course, it reinforces the non-canoncity of 'evil' playthroughs, which is desirable.

 

What is the point of a playstyle choice if the game does not react to it?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Because he's DUDEBRO WORKARIENNNN!!!!

 

Garrus doesn't get good for me until ME3, though. I was not real taken by his "Just like old times!"-schtick when he really wasn't much of a buddy to Shepard in the previous game (yet far more interesting than his contrived ME2 dudebro persona). Kaidan was my first true friend. He was supportive, we talked about chicks, and we bonded over the loss of a fellow solider (twice, in fact, if you count 'Leroy) -- none of which Garrus can claim before assuming to be my bestie.

 

Thankfully, he stepped up his game after that.