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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

What I don't get is why people call him Space Batman. Archangel is nothing like Batman. Batman uses stealth and intimidation to put the fear of god into people. Archangel just murdered criminals in brutal and creative ways.

 

If anything he's Space Punisher.

Yeah. he's much more effective. 

Batman has difficulty with stopping the mafia, in the movies at least. And all the major villains he just puts away in Arkham, where they always break out, in the comics.

Garrus did serious damage to galaxy-spanning mercenary organizations, enough for them to team up and launch a full scale assault against his position. 

[Kenshen]

I like Garrus but he isn't in my top 3.  

[ImaginaryMatter]

Yeah. he's much more effective. 

Batman has difficulty with stopping the mafia, in the movies at least. And all the major villains he just puts away in Arkham, where they always break out, in the comics.

Garrus did seriously damage to galaxy-spanning mercenary organizations, enough for them to team up and launch a full scale assault against his position. 

 

To be fair though those mercenary companies are ran by idiot mooks, who probably only succeed because all the governments in ME2 are equally inept.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah. he's much more effective. 

Batman has difficulty with stopping the mafia, in the movies at least. And all the major villains he just puts away in Arkham, where they always break out, in the comics.

Garrus did seriously damage to galaxy-spanning mercenary organizations, enough for them to team up and launch a full scale assault against his position. 

 

I guess that kind of comes with the territory when you choose not to kill your enemies. Of course, Garrus isn't burdened with the potential consequences of being a mass murderer like Bruce Wayne would be.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I guess that kind of comes with the territory when you choose not to kill your enemies. Of course, Garrus isn't burdened with the potential consequences of being a mass murderer like Bruce Wayne would be.

 

That makes me wonder what would happen if Mass Effect was done by Yager Development.

[Kenshen]

I guess that kind of comes with the territory when you choose not to kill your enemies. Of course, Garrus isn't burdened with the potential consequences of being a mass murderer like Bruce Wayne would be.

 

Garrus isn't all bad, he does struggle when it comes to making the sacrifice of group A so group B can live.  Also when he tells Victus to save their fleet for the final battle.  He keeps it real and if you are a scumbag he doesn't have a problem putting a bullet in their head or if you are like David in Overlord (ME2) he shows him sympathy.  To me that is why he is so liked, man has range.  I havn't gotten into the comics, games, or movies so can't really speak about batman except he lives by his own code and I can respect that like Garrus would I would like to think.

[Arcian]

 Why does Garrus seem to be by far the most popular character? 

His voice.

[BioWareM0d13]

He's male. Female characters tend to draw a lot more fire in the waifu wars. If Garrus was written as a female character instead, she'd have a lot more haters than the current male version.

 

Good voice acting.

 

He's relatively inoffensive and never challenges Shepard.

 

In ME1 and ME2 he's sort of like Mass Effect's Varric, with a lot of his dialogue providing comic relief.

 

He's not an uber-paragon. Characters that tend to fall heavily on the 'good' spectrum always catch a lot of flak from players who favor evil or ruthless protagonists.

 

Turians are a fan favorite. He's Turian.

 

He is an alien so religious proclamations like "Spirits protect us" don't provoke angry reactions from people who have an axe to grind with real world religions. (see the bashing Ashley took over her vague statements about a belief in an afterlife)

 

He is a squadmate through all three games. That's a lot of time for players to get attached to the character.

[SporkFu]

He's male. Female characters tend to draw a lot more fire in the waifu wars. If Garrus was written as a female character instead, she'd have a lot more haters than the current male version.

I dunno, Nyreen Kandros turned out to be pretty good, for what little content she got. I think if Garrus had been someone like her, I'd have been okay with that. 

[Sigulator]

Garrus isn't all bad, he does struggle when it comes to making the sacrifice of group A so group B can live.  Also when he tells Victus to save their fleet for the final battle.  He keeps it real and if you are a scumbag he doesn't have a problem putting a bullet in their head or if you are like David in Overlord (ME2) he shows him sympathy.  To me that is why he is so liked, man has range.  I havn't gotten into the comics, games, or movies so can't really speak about batman except he lives by his own code and I can respect that like Garrus would I would like to think.

 

I think, his non-confrontational attitude is definitely part of it. He's morally ambiguous, and because I tend to play my Shepard that way (while still more paragon than renegade) I think it helps that he doesn't give you crap.

 

That being said, the bridge between him killing/not killing Sidonis, and the romance conversation was a bit to sudden. When we're on the citadel, he deliberately says "We'll talk about it later.." and when that conversation comes it's sort of a let down. It made me feel that weather or not you chose to let him kill Sidonis didn't matter (yeah, it really freaking didn't) and that bothered me. 

 

I wouldn't have minded a confrontation that once.... or not even a confrontation, but a really raw discussion about how he felt either when you let him kill Sidonis (which would ideally lead you into the romance option a little sooner, and maybe he would express regrets later??) or, if you let sidonis live, you would have to convince him that your path was the emotionally healthy, and in the end, more satisfying choice, a la Zaeed's mission. 

 

If you think about it that mechanic would make more sense given Garrus and Zaeed's similarities. 

 

Maybe the writers originally intended for something like that to happen, and it was just cut because reasons, I don't know.....

 

TL:DR Garrus lack of direct confrontation isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when shepard is being **** on by the rest of the galaxy. And romance was sort of disjointed in ME2....

[Darius M.]

I've read a lot of posts here that point to the theory that a lot of people only like Garrus because he never contradicts Shepard, and that he just follows him/her out of blind faith... I'd like to weigh in on that. I think he has at least a few very good reasons to follow Shepard.

What I think a lot of people tend to forget is that (at least from a lens of ME2-onward) he DOES have reservations about working with Cerberus but first and foremost Shepard very literally saved his life on Omega. What was Garrus going to do? Say "thanks for saving my life Shep, catch you later????" No, he would follow. On that same note, remember that a side effect of Shepard's actions in his defense allowed him to experience the absolute manifestation of what his goal on Omega had been since day one: the eradication of these thug-gangs who killed innocents. You helped him fulfill the and realize the vengeance of his dead squad. Not just on omega but also after you ( one way or another) help him find emotional closure with Sidonis. That has to carry a LOT of weight in terms of Shep's character and that's another reason he stands by you. Add in that it's not that this is a brand new character you've never met before, this is someone you saved the galaxy with ! You took a nobody , frustrated cop and gave him purpose! You made him into a galactic savior! Going through events like that, the dozens of firefights, the travels to the galaxy's edge, all of that culminates in why he follows Shepard! It's not that he 'a a brown-noser. It's that he recognizes that this is someone who has earned his trust and loyalty.

I like Garrus because of this. Because he and I have fought through so many battles together, gone through squad deaths together, beaten the impossible odds time and time again together. We've forged a bond as strong, as unyielding, and as unbreakable as Kai Leng's gunship. (Sorry, I saw my shot & took it )

That's why he's popular to me , and most definitely NOT just some brown noser

[Vazgen]

Add in that it's not that this is a brand new character you've never met before, this is someone you saved the galaxy with!

You can avoid recruiting him in ME1

Other than that, I agree

[Farangbaa]

I've read a lot of posts here that point to the theory that a lot of people only like Garrus because he never contradicts Shepard, and that he just follows him/her out of blind faith... I'd like to weigh in on that. I think he has at least a few very good reasons to follow Shepard.

What I think a lot of people tend to forget is that (at least from a lens of ME2-onward) he DOES have reservations about working with Cerberus but first and foremost Shepard very literally saved his life on Omega. What was Garrus going to do? Say "thanks for saving my life Shep, catch you later????" No, he would follow. On that same note, remember that a side effect of Shepard's actions in his defense allowed him to experience the absolute manifestation of what his goal on Omega had been since day one: the eradication of these thug-gangs who killed innocents. You helped him fulfill the and realize the vengeance of his dead squad. Not just on omega but also after you ( one way or another) help him find emotional closure with Sidonis. That has to carry a LOT of weight in terms of Shep's character and that's another reason he stands by you. Add in that it's not that this is a brand new character you've never met before, this is someone you saved the galaxy with ! You took a nobody , frustrated cop and gave him purpose! You made him into a galactic savior! Going through events like that, the dozens of firefights, the travels to the galaxy's edge, all of that culminates in why he follows Shepard! It's not that he 'a a brown-noser. It's that he recognizes that this is someone who has earned his trust and loyalty.

I like Garrus because of this. Because he and I have fought through so many battles together, gone through squad deaths together, beaten the impossible odds time and time again together. We've forged a bond as strong, as unyielding, and as unbreakable as Kai Leng's gunship. (Sorry, I saw my shot & took it )

That's why he's popular to me , and most definitely NOT just some brown noser

 

It's not just that. Whenever he says something and you say no, he says 'ok'. Starts in ME1.

[eyezonlyii]

Garrus to me was a few (albeit very large) steps from being a Liara. not only in terms of questionable character growth between ME1 and 2, but in terms of the HE'S YOUR BEST BRO!!!! attitude taken by the games. Maybe I'm just bitter about the horrendous treatment of the VS in the second game on, but I feel like both Kaidan and Ashley were closer to Shepard by the end of the first game than anyone else on that ship.

[Vazgen]

Garrus to me was a few (albeit very large) steps from being a Liara. not only in terms of questionable character growth between ME1 and 2, but in terms of the HE'S YOUR BEST BRO!!!! attitude taken by the games. Maybe I'm just bitter about the horrendous treatment of the VS in the second game on, but I feel like both Kaidan and Ashley were closer to Shepard by the end of the first game than anyone else on that ship.

Tali was my Shepard's best friend in ME1. Garrus in ME1 was on par with Kaidan and Liara. Wrex was the second best

In ME2 Garrus and Tali were the only ones from the old squad to join me and it meant a lot. 

[Valdrane78]

I in fact agree with your above post Belisarius....your right as far as I am concerned....As for Garrus, I would have liked some clashing between him and Shep, makes it more fun and infinitely more interesting....Let's put it this way, i didn't like ME1 Ash, had no time for her....but come ME3 Ash...she's awesome.... ....someone finally says to Shep, "Hey! Hold on there....why should I trust you?....I'm challenging you"...she made my day....

That's BS.  Anderson doesn't fully trust you either in ME2, he wont tell you anything about the VS because "you are with Cerberus" but he knows the score and what is going on and doesn't turn into a total douche.  Unlike the VS, Anderson atleast gives you the benefit of the doubt without calling you a traitor.  By the time ME3 rolls around and the VS is still acting like a douche (even though you were not branded a traitor, saved the galaxy from the collectors and prolonged the Reaper invasion...AGAIN...and have the full trust of Anderson, Hackett and Alliance brass.) , I finally had enough and told the VS to either play along or gtfo.  There is a difference between being challenging and being a total tool.

[zestalyn]

 

Garrus to me was a few (albeit very large) steps from being a Liara. not only in terms of questionable character growth between ME1 and 2, but in terms of the HE'S YOUR BEST BRO!!!! attitude taken by the games. Maybe I'm just bitter about the horrendous treatment of the VS in the second game on, but I feel like both Kaidan and Ashley were closer to Shepard by the end of the first game than anyone else on that ship.

I personally did not feel that way. I felt very alienated by VS after ME2, and I became increasingly annoyed by the mistrust they had for me for practically the first half of the ME3, despite the overwhelming evidence that Shepard wasn't involved or compromised by Cerberus. I know that it has to do with the lack of treatment the VS is given as seen in the lack of cutscenes on the Normandy in ME3, but even if they were given as much screen time as Liara/Garrus, their attitude towards Shepard and Cerberus that spanned for 1.5 games simply made them feel much less close to me.

I don't have a problem with people challenging me or having reasonable concerns..but not only did I fidd VS's attitude a bit unreasonably hostile sometimes, but it just naturally made me find them less trusting and reliable. Had something like that happen to me in real life with one of my friends, I probably wouldn't be able to look at him/her the same way again. 

 

[Gkonone]

He is the ultimate bro (mance), the friend that sticks by you through thick and thin, and he has a certain coolness and wit, especially in ME2.

He's also one of the few squadmates you have in all 3 games.