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[d4eaming]

My sentinel romanced him, and he's wonderfully doofy and adorkable. My male Shepard thinks of him like a brother. I just can't resist having him on as many missions as possible.

[EloreRainbrought]

because he introduce himself well....check out the gamerpoop. ...

[CronoDragoon]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

It seems in my absense you have copped quite a lot of flak CronoDragoon in relation to your response to my comment.......so I won't be re-hashing...I do not necessarily agree with every point made by others, but do agree with enough of their points to leave it and not inflame again what needs to now rest.

I actually think it started quite an interesting discussion. I certainly don't think Dean or I or anyone else were taking anything personally. Just an in-depth debate is all. 

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 11 janvier 2013 - 06:12 .

[CynicalShep]

Because badass-space-sniper-batman with a knack for good jokes

[simonrana]

CronoDragoon wrote...

simonrana wrote...
As for your stance on Jack we're just going to have to agree to disagree - we're just looking at this from completely different angles. You're basing your feelings on the character on big picture rationalisations, I'm doing it by what I'm shown directly on screen. Clearly we just look at things differently. For the record though I think the word "save" Jack from prison is a bit of a distortion though. The damsel in distress scenario usually involves a "heroic" rescue - not "buying" the damsel out of prison!

Well, I think we have further discussion here and don't necessarily have to resort to agreeing to disagree.

We've been painting a pretty big brush with the "damsel in distress" scenario in this thread. I sort of responded to the claim that Tali's story in ME3 is a "rescue" by pointing out that Jack's introduction into the story is clearly more of a rescue than Tali in ME3. Ultimately it's going to depend on how you identify the characteristics of a "rescue" scenario.

Here is my criteria:

1. The character could not have escaped the trap/prison/danger by themselves. I take danger in this sense to be a specific danger or trap, and not an abstract one such as "Tali is involved in a war that she can't end herself, so she needs Shepard."

2. Another character takes action such that they are responsible for character A's escape from their situation.

This constitutes a rescue mission for me. Garrus's recruitment obviously turns out to be such as well. But looking at Jack's situation, it's hard not to see a rescue mission, and by extension her being the rescue-ee characterized in this thread as a "damsel in distress" due to her gender.
1. If Shepard doesn't release her from cryo, she never gets a chance to break her bonds and even make a run for it.
2. If Shepard doesn't take her aboard his ship, she sits there without transport until backup is sent. Conceivably, I suppose, she could overpower backup and take their ship, but since Jack agrees with Shepard's assessment of the situation that she has no chance (despite mind you being in a Cerberus ship) I think she estimates her chances to be low in this regard.

It seems to me that the degree to which the potential rescue-ee can wreak havoc while still not being able to free themselves matters to you in terms of their status as a rescue-ee. It doesn't to me, because as you said, big-picture the result would have been the same if after release she merely cried and waited for Shepard to come free her from her bonds.

Scenario 1: Before we meet Tali we're told a story of how she was badly injured and needed help, and in her predicament she went to the wrong people. We then get into a race against time to save her from being killed by a group of goons (and if you don't make it in time they succeed).

Scenario 2: Before we meet Jack we're told she's a crazy violent psycho, so badass that a prisoner would rather stay in the awful prison where he gets raped than go in the same ship as Jack. Before we release her we're told that this is kind of a bad thing to do as is it will release all the inmates in the area. Then she gets released and unleashes all kinds of hell (so much that even Grunt gets excited!)

Can you see how Jack does not match the damsel in distress archetype. It takes more than being a female and being in a situation that requires intervention - they need to have damsel-like qualities (more than just having breasts!) and actually display distress!

If you look back on our first meeting with Ashley, even she managed to satisfy the damsel in distress trope, despite generally being a bit of a badass. In her introduction she is fleeing (display of distress) geth drones, looks on in horror (more distress) as geth impale a man on a big spike, and nervously (distress again) prepares to face them from the rock she just hid behind.

In contrast the only emotion we see Jack display on Purgatory is fury.

[BronzTrooper]

Garrus is awesome cause he's Garrus. Simple question, simple answer.

[HolyAvenger]

Rescue introductions are a BioWare staple trope, especially for female characters: Tali, Liara, Garrus (ME2), Bastila, Ashley, Legion, Jack, Grunt, Sten, Shale, Wynne, Aerie, Viconia, Aveline...

Tali's is much more of the typical damsel-in-distress scenario than Jack's, tbf.

[simonrana]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Rescue introductions are a BioWare staple trope, especially for female characters: Tali, Liara, Garrus (ME2), Bastila, Ashley, Legion, Jack, Grunt, Sten, Shale, Wynne, Aerie, Viconia, Aveline...

Tali's is much more of the typical damsel-in-distress scenario than Jack's, tbf.

That's only if you use the most liberal definition of "rescue" possible. I just did a dictionary lookup of the word to check and this is what it said: 


"Rescue comprises responsive operations that usually involve the saving of life, or prevention of injury during an incident or dangerous situation."

When you encounter Legion it rescues Shepard by sniping the husks behind him/her.

Grunt is just a paperweight you pick up after Okeer is dead (the one you actually came to rescue, and even then the mission kind of just turned into a rescue at the last minute, it was never planned as one).

The definition doesn't really apply to Jack seeing as she was pretty safe in her little carbonite prison. Similarly Shale wasn't in any danger before you activate her.

I guess you do technically "save" Wynne, since if the Warden didn't turn up the whole Circle would be annuled. I'd still like to give them credit for making it "feel"too much like a save (when you meet her she's wiping out a demon whilst holding up a barrier - she seems to have at least her own situation somewhat in control).

EDIT: Thanks for agreeing on the difference between Jack and Tali though!

Modifié par simonrana, 11 janvier 2013 - 01:26 .

[HolyAvenger]

I use the definition of rescue where if Shepard (or the Warden or whomever) didn't turn up, that character would be dead, or stuck in a hopeless situation. That applies to Grunt in his box, Legion trapped on the derelict Reaper, Jack in cryogenic freezing, Wynne in a tower full of demons and trapped by Templars, Shale unable to move or do anything etc.

However, I agree a rescue doesn't automatically mean a damsel-in-distress type situation. Rescuing Liara was very different to rescuing Garrus.

[thehomeworld]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

The voice, the look, the skills, the respect, the humour.

Theres nothing not to like.

Loyal, respectful, badass with manners, did we mention the voice? There isn't anything not to like about Garrus save him being naked and his romance in ME3 just makes him even more enjoyable.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 11 janvier 2013 - 05:36 .

[zestalyn]

New ME fan here. Just started playing the games (ME2/3) for the first time a month ago.

And thank goodness for this thread cause uh, I just need to say..

Why is Garrus popular? Cause he's a hot*** mutha******. All the ladies want him and all the dudes want to be him. 

I mean damn.. I walked into ME knowing about Garrus's popularity with the ladies because of the Bioware fandom on Tumblr, and it was completely beyond me because all I saw in Garrus was a creepy lookin' bug alien thing. 

But the moment this guy set his helmet down, propped his foot up and said with his deep buttery voice, "Shepard"..uh my heart probably stopped.

That easy swagger, genuine comradery, that enthusiasm for killing bad guys with me ("Scratch one!!") and that voice that probably has the power to strip a woman's clothes off (sorry) are some of the many little things that make this charming turian so popular. hehe 

[KaiserShep]

Don't forget that Garrus has a playlist of songs that he listens to on his visor when he kills people, one of which is titled "Bang Bang Boom".

[zestalyn]

Bonus points (even though he has infinity) for knowing how to do an excellent impression of Liara 

..by the goddess.. 

[shodiswe]

Garrus makes for a very good and reliable friend to have around. While there is a tiny bit of bad streak in him he has it under control, mostly.

You can trust him, aslong as you arn't trying to hurt his family or kill off his people, that might get him to turn on you I guess.

[Excella Gionne]

Garrus doesn't have to stand with you in all of the games. You could choose to not recruit him in ME1, but I couldn't do that! Like everyone said, he's stood with you till the end and it's that Loyalty that makes him one of the best characters. Which is also a reason why became a potential romance for FemShep and Tali for MaleShep 'cause Tali also stood with Shepard. Some characters had their reasons to not join Shepard even if they wanted to such as Wrex, Thane, and etc...although, some characters could have joined regardless, but BioWare wanted to keep the Squad size small as opposed to the possible 12 in ME2. It's just that ME3 squadmates don't differ enough in powers to actually have them be enjoyable like ME2 or ME1.

[Oni Changas]

I gotta ask these questions...

 

 

HOW THE **** IS GARRUS BATMAN? HAVE ANY OF YOU MONGOLOIDS HEARD OF THE PUNISHER?

[Farangbaa]

Because garrus is the baddest mother f***er around

 

Oh?

 

He looks like a ***** to me.

 

edit:

Seriously.. this word censorship is ridiculous. Some of these words wouldn't even get Queen Elizabeth I to blush.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

[FlyingSquirrel]

Garrus doesn't have to stand with you in all of the games. You could choose to not recruit him in ME1, but I couldn't do that! Like everyone said, he's stood with you till the end and it's that Loyalty that makes him one of the best characters. Which is also a reason why became a potential romance for FemShep and Tali for MaleShep 'cause Tali also stood with Shepard. Some characters had their reasons to not join Shepard even if they wanted to such as Wrex, Thane, and etc...although, some characters could have joined regardless, but BioWare wanted to keep the Squad size small as opposed to the possible 12 in ME2. It's just that ME3 squadmates don't differ enough in powers to actually have them be enjoyable like ME2 or ME1.

 

I seem to recall, either from YouTube or from an early playthrough of my own, a line in ME3 where Shepard remarks that only Garrus and Tali have been part of the Normandy crew all along, but I haven't managed to trigger it on any of my recent playthroughs. Does anyone else remember this, or am I just imagining things?

[Shuidizi]

I seem to recall, either from YouTube or from an early playthrough of my own, a line in ME3 where Shepard remarks that only Garrus and Tali have been part of the Normandy crew all along, but I haven't managed to trigger it on any of my recent playthroughs. Does anyone else remember this, or am I just imagining things?

I think Shepard says that after Cerberus base mission, but only if either Tali or Garrus is romanced, so they don't hook up. If they hook up Shepard will just say s/he is happy for them instead. 

[zestalyn]

"You two have been with me longer than most. You believed in me when nobody else did. Thanks" 

[Mrs_Stick]

^^^

And his romance was adorkable.

Im in agreement on this.

[zestalyn]

...has this been posted before. I was watching some ME vids and stumbled upon this special thing



so why is garrus so popular?
he not only knows how to dance with (fem)Shepard but also geth. GETH. 
(that ending tho)

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Don't forget that Garrus has a playlist of songs that he listens to on his visor when he kills people, one of which is titled "Bang Bang Boom".

Shiiiiii. Hard to believe that people still listen to Saliva that far in the future.

[RZIBARA]

I'm - I mean Spider-Man is better