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[JBPBRC]

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

Its not like the Reapers are *in* the system beforehand and just watching the Normandy cruise around with no reaction. Scanning alerts them to be sure, but no amount of entering and exiting the system ever fools them into thinking you are a Reaper.

[Argolas]

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

Look at the ME2 ending. Even automised Ocolus can identify the Normandy as a hostile Ship, don't tell me that fully evolved Reapers can't. And as said before, Reapers have eyes.

[a load of stanton]

i think he didn't fire on the Normandy because it didn't pose a threat at the time unlike the soldiers running to the beam i think harby knew that if 1 soldier got through the beam the reapers would lose the war

so why would he waste even a mili second on the Normandy if it gives the soldiers on the ground more time to get through the beam

you even see how close shep was to the beam 

harby wouldn't risk it 

Modifié par a load of stanton, 08 janvier 2013 - 03:49 .

[Wayning_Star]

Maybe harby just didn't decide to shoot at the normandy, stranger things have happend on battle fields I'd guess?

[JBPBRC]

Argolas wrote...

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

Look at the ME2 ending. Even automised Ocolus can identify the Normandy as a hostile Ship, don't tell me that fully evolved Reapers can't. And as said before, Reapers have eyes.

And to further shatter the myth of Reapers being unable to visually identify things, we have Virmire from ME1. Sovereign looks at Shepard and flat out says, immediately upon seeing him, that "You are not Saren."

Harbinger evac scene was just a fail attempt to explain how crewmembers could get aboard the Normandy, without bothering to explain or show how the Normandy doesn't get blasted to oblivion by King Reaper himself.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 08 janvier 2013 - 03:50 .

[Argolas]

a load of stanton wrote...

i think he didn't fire on the Normandy because it didn't pose a threat at the time unlike the soldiers running to the beam i think harby knew that if 1 soldier got through the beam the reapers would lose the war

so why would he waste even a mili second on the Normandy if it gives the soldiers on the ground more time to get through the beam

he wouldn't risk it

And when everything looks clear while in reality several soldiers, including Anderson and Shepard, are still alive Harbinger risks simply leaving the beam unguarded just for the sake of rejoining a battle his friends were winning anyway.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ah yes Reaper IFF, we have dismissed that claim

[Wayning_Star]

a load of stanton wrote...

i think he didn't fire on the Normandy because it didn't pose a threat at the time unlike the soldiers running to the beam i think harby knew that if 1 soldier got through the beam the reapers would lose the war

so why would he waste even a mili second on the Normandy if it gives the soldiers on the ground more time to get through the beam

he wouldn't risk it

didn't see it as a threat.. could be. But how would harby know about the beam and soldiers needing to get to it?

It would be up to the catalyst, whos actually running the show, so its probably the reason, as we do know it doesn't want shep destroyed, only wounded. Was shep making it to the beam allowed or just dumb luck on Sheps part? Or, did the catalyst design it that way?

[wright1978]

EC's piece of utter stupidity plotting in order to get the remaining 2 squaddies back on board the normandy for the stupidity crash sequence.

Why harbinger didn't fire on the normandy, why the rest of the crew was partyting on the Normandy whilst everyone is dying fighting the reapers, why on earth the normandy would abandon the battle to swoop down because of one injured soldier. Its just a stupid mess unfortunately because they tied their hands behind their back by allowing very little change in EC.

[Belisarius25]

Another (nitpicking) issue with that scene is the two soldiers who give covering fire. Why do they return to the Normandy instead of rushing the beam?

[fiendishchicken]

I love seeing pro-enders come on here and try to defend this.

It's lazy writing, that's what it is.

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded if the squadmates you take with you are forced deaths.

Due to my opinions of the ME3 team (rather low), I'm more conflicted with who not to take. The only guaranteed survivor is Javik. Maybe James.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:05 .

[L337LYC4N]

JBPBRC wrote...

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

Its not like the Reapers are *in* the system beforehand and just watching the Normandy cruise around with no reaction. Scanning alerts them to be sure, but no amount of entering and exiting the system ever fools them into thinking you are a Reaper.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was trying to get at. Using the scanner would be the same as being in the forest  and shooting a flare into the sky to show your position to everybody.

Not the best analogy...but I've never been good at coming up with them.

[Killdren88]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Ah yes Reaper IFF, we have dismissed that claim

The IFF only applied to Signals. Not direct sight. Harbinger is not stupid. He knows that is not a Reaper Ship.

Modifié par Killdren88, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:08 .

[LucasShark]

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

... Really?  You're going to mentally limbo that low for this tripe?

[VirginBlack]

Wayning_Star wrote...

I figured that the catalyst just wanted to 'make new friends'.. or really just talk a little shop with the resident defender of all things organic. Shep does have to talk with the catalyst to get the ball rolling on the crucible vs harvest times ahead.

The thing is that up to that point, the Crucible had not been docked on the Citadel yet and so the variables had not changed, the Reapers were still the only working solution for the Catalyst. So there is no reason for it to suddently want to do something other than what it was already doing and had done for countless cycles before.

L337LYC4N wrote...

I think the reason he didn't try to get Shepard's body at that time was because it was pointless once they fired the beam. Unless you mean capturing it before he went into the Citadel?

Considering that the Collectors directed by Harbinger shot down the Normandy and sought to capture Shepard's body afterwards, I doubt that having hit Shepard with the beam in London would have changed things for Harbinger.

Modifié par VirginBlack, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:11 .

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

OMFG YES so ugh.... fixing a plothole with a bigger plothole is -__- they could have just not make the teammates you used appear at the end. I don't and won't believe Harbinger can't see (sense?) the ship that's just .... >.> 

but i can't lie saying goodbye to Garrus made me want to cry :')

Modifié par IMNOTCRAZYiminsane, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:11 .

[L337LYC4N]

LucasShark wrote...

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

... Really?  You're going to mentally limbo that low for this tripe?

All I'm doing is throwing out possibilities, ridiculous or not.

VirginBlack wrote...

Considering that the Collectors directed by Harbinger shot down the Normandy and sought to capture Shepard's body afterwards, I doubt that having hit Shepard with the beam in London would have changed things for Harbinger.

Good point.

Modifié par L337LYC4N, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:13 .

[JBPBRC]

L337LYC4N wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

Its not like the Reapers are *in* the system beforehand and just watching the Normandy cruise around with no reaction. Scanning alerts them to be sure, but no amount of entering and exiting the system ever fools them into thinking you are a Reaper.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was trying to get at. Using the scanner would be the same as being in the forest  and shooting a flare into the sky to show your position to everybody.

Not the best analogy...but I've never been good at coming up with them.

Except the Reapers are never fooled, horrendous EC Harbinger scene aside, they *always* attack you. To use your own analogy, after shooting the flare and being surrounded by, let's just use bears as an example, you manage to escape. You then enter the forest from a different area entirely, using your trusty Yogi Bear costume to protect you (this being an analogy for the Reaper IFF). The bears proceed to start chasing you again.

Reaper IFF doesn't work. Its only real application was fooling the Omega-4 Relay.

[Zaalbar]

My way of looking at it is Harbinger had no interest in shooting the Normandy down as his priority was to simply stop anyone from reaching the beam.
Also shooting down a frigate at point blank is probably not the best of idea`s, I`m guessing a ruptured tantalus drive core can lead to big explosions maybe? Big enough to cause harm to Harbinger given his close proximity.

[dreamgazer]

Unclear. Since it's all left to interpretation, all we've got is an intentionally emphasized moment where Shepard---the one would could enact synthesis or become the new Reaper overseer---and Harbinger lock eyes, and the Normandy's "allowed" to leave with its crew on-board.

Knock yourself out from there.

[VirginBlack]

JBPBRC wrote...

Reaper IFF doesn't work. Its only real application was fooling the Omega-4 Relay.

Right and the Collectors (Harbinger) attack you right after you go through it.

[JBPBRC]

VirginBlack wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Reaper IFF doesn't work. Its only real application was fooling the Omega-4 Relay.

Right and the Collectors (Harbinger) attack you right after you go through it.

Exactly. Hell, while we're on this topic, the stealth system on the Normandy doesn't even work against Reapers either! Even the Collectors can see right through the damn thing! How is the Normandy managing to do all the things it does again?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Killdren88 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Ah yes Reaper IFF, we have dismissed that claim

The IFF only applied to Signals. Not direct sight. Harbinger is not stupid. He knows that is not a Reaper Ship.

Seeing as they didn't use the Normandy to get closer to conduit to begin with, and how it does bugger all to keep the Reapers off you while scanning systems, i'm inclinded to believe the Reaper IFF doesn't do much of anything and that writers forgot about it much like they forgot that Thane was a romance option at one point.

That the emotion is so heavy handed in the evac scene makes me think we're intended to just feel the emotional impact and not think too hard about what we're seeing aside from, oh so they didn't just magically teleport to the Normandy. Of course the same could be said about several parts of ME3.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:19 .

[LucasShark]

L337LYC4N wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

L337LYC4N wrote...

Argolas wrote...
Reapers are able to identify the Normandy as a hostile vessel, proof is on the galaxy map, they chase you down as soon as they find you. I think that Harbinger does not shoot the Normandy because that could accidentally kill Shepard.

But they don't go after you until you use the scanner a bunch of times. Probably because using the scanner means you have to take down your stealth mode, which makes the Normandy succeptible to being identified as an enemy vessle.

... Really?  You're going to mentally limbo that low for this tripe?

All I'm doing is throwing out possibilities, ridiculous or not.

You do realize it is Bioware's job to think about this bollocks and this kind of stupidity should never reach our consideration right?

[L337LYC4N]

JBPBRC wrote...

VirginBlack wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Reaper IFF doesn't work. Its only real application was fooling the Omega-4 Relay.

Right and the Collectors (Harbinger) attack you right after you go through it.

Exactly. Hell, while we're on this topic, the stealth system on the Normandy doesn't even work against Reapers either! Even the Collectors can see right through the damn thing! How is the Normandy managing to do all the things it does again?

Holy crap. I completely forgot about how that's ineffective against both of them...when you put it like that, it's almost like they intentionally allowed Shepard to build up false hope in saving the galaxy.

LucasShark
You do realize it is Bioware's job to think about this bollocks and this kind of stupidity should never reach our consideration right?

Oh, I know. But it gives me something to think about when I have nothing better to do.

Modifié par L337LYC4N, 08 janvier 2013 - 04:23 .