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[Tirigon]

Bhatair wrote...

You don't have anything yet until you appeal to the nobles. If you were to lose the Landsmeet you'd be fighting under Loghain's banner - assuming he'd let you live that is. Liberating Anora is key to ensuring that you win that support at the Landsmeet and out Loghain.

Considering that the armies were ENTIRELY USELESS to me in the final battle, I could as well have killed the nobles at the landsmeet and have fought the big bad dragon alone. The best way would have been to simply execute everyone supporting Loghain, but this discussion is old. Let´s not continue it.

[Bhatair]

"So you've won the Landsmeet Warden, when do you want us to deploy our troops?"



- "No need, just bring me some ballista"



"...."

[ejoslin]

Heh, I wonder how many people here have spoken to Loghain about Anora and why she wanted to be broken out of Howe's estate. Apparently, she's a bit of a drama queen. That said, I'm amazed that anyone would take the option of telling Ser Cauwhatever that they had Anora. It truly never occurred to me. If she wanted to be known, she wouldn't be wearing a disguise.

[Sblade]

retr0rganism wrote...

 I've played through the game four times now as different characters, almost entirely with my wife in the room (she's an unapologetic Alistair groupie), so during most of the playtime we had discussions about various characters. One such discussion always surfaced: how much we couldn't stand how abrasive and power-hungry Anora came off to both of us.

Sure, she puts on a good face, but we agree that it's mainly for her own ends. Did anyone else have to suppress the desire to wring her neck by the end of the game?

Sure we can have a little om empathy here, she ruled the nation wisely many years, and it seemed she did fine. Governing is the most diffcult task to do correctly. She internally believes that "karma" or something like that she is worthy of continue to rule the land, as this would have happened if Cailan wasn´t left in the battle...

In her mind, she deserves to rule, and I agree with her.

[Squiggles1334]

Tirigon wrote...

Squiggles1334 wrote...

More along the lines that you shouldn't act surprised or indignant that someone screws you over as a response to screwing him or her over first.

Let me quote Alistair: "Point taken."

They shouldn´t be surprised that I hate them for screwing me over, though

This is all why we as Fereldans need to look past hate and revenge to experience a forgiveness and love that breaks the great wheel of despair and realizes a higher state of existence, thought, and inner peace.

[Tirigon]

Bhatair wrote...

"So you've won the Landsmeet Warden, when do you want us to deploy our troops?"

- "No need, just bring me some ballista"

"...."

Funnily, I used the Ballista´s only twice, and one shot missed....

No jokes now, I agree that this kind of thing is stupid, but it was like that. I was actually disappointed by the final battle. By far the worst part of the game, imo.

[Bhatair]

I've never used the Ballista >.>

In fact I never knew there were any until I started visiting the forums and reading spoilers. I always just huddled between her front and back legs and moved when she turned to face me.. heh

[ejoslin]

Bhatair wrote...

I've never used the Ballista >.>
In fact I never knew there were any until I started visiting the forums and reading spoilers. I always just huddled between her front and back legs and moved when she turned to face me.. heh

I never used them either. All my characters carry bows, and when it flies to that area where you can't melee, I use them then. And all other times I melee.  And use a ton of potions.

[Valmy]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

She is a cold blooded, ruthless ****, but I still put her on the throne anyway. Gives poor Alistair a break, and if she steps out of line, well...the Crows do owe me a few favors....

So, I really can't say I hate her. She serves an important purpose, and unless you're an elf, does a respectable job of running the country.

Eh being an Elf wasn't any better under Maric, Meghren, or Cailan.

[Tirigon]

Valmy wrote...
Eh being an Elf wasn't any better under Maric, Meghren, or Cailan.

Noone said they were good rulers, did one?

[Squiggles1334]

Valmy wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

She is a cold blooded, ruthless ****, but I still put her on the throne anyway. Gives poor Alistair a break, and if she steps out of line, well...the Crows do owe me a few favors....

So, I really can't say I hate her. She serves an important purpose, and unless you're an elf, does a respectable job of running the country.

Eh being an Elf wasn't any better under Maric, Meghren, or Cailan.

True. It even sounds like Cailan was rather oblivious to the state of elves in Denerim, considering the comment Duncan makes after your city elf tells Cailan you killed Vaughn. Sounds like nothing's really changed much.

[errant_knight]

What does it for me is the way she'd be just as happy to leave Alistair in the prison, a very unpleasant place from what we see. When she speaks about Fereldan, she only does so as a state, not in terms of her subjects. She is clearly hungry to hold on to power, where as Alistair is so aware of the possible repercussions of decisions on lives that it terrifies him. That's not a bad thing in a ruler, especially when he's already shown to care about justice and to be resolute about what he believes. He just needs confidence and the support of people who believe in him, rather than those who see him as a last, worse choice, or want to use him as a puppet. I made Anora queen once and it felt very wrong, although I'll be doing it again to see how that ending affects events in The Awakening. I won't like it though.

[Xandurpein]

Yes by all means. We do not want to live in tyranny, where injustice reigns and. well... people might be judged by their fathers actions instead of their own. That would horrible... right?

[Xandurpein]

errant_knight wrote...

She is clearly hungry to hold on to power, where as Alistair is so aware of the possible repercussions of decisions on lives that it terrifies him.

 Wanting to be a ruler doesn't make you a good one, I'm with you so far, but in the real world people who are terrified of making decisions make really lousy leaders. They will simply paralyze the country by indecision and that is generally not a very good thing, honestly.

The best thing for Ferelden is to let Anora rule and let Alistair temper her a bit, unless you are a human noble and think you can do a better job yourself.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 07 janvier 2010 - 11:39 .

[errant_knight]

Xandurpein wrote...

Yes by all means. We do not want to live in tyranny, where injustice reigns and. well... people might be judged by their fathers actions instead of their own. That would horrible... right?

It would be if Anora didn't show so many signs of being so very much like her father....

[Xandurpein]

errant_knight wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Yes by all means. We do not want to live in tyranny, where injustice reigns and. well... people might be judged by their fathers actions instead of their own. That would horrible... right?

It would be if Anora didn't show so many signs of being so very much like her father....

 
Umm... what signs are you referring to really??? I'm not saying either Anora or Loghain are exactly the cuddly types, but they are different persons. Loghain is obsessive and paranoid. Anora thinks she is a great Queen and loves dramatic flair, but she is as far as I know neither obessive or paranoid.

[Gerrawn]

I'm really torn between "I want to shank that manipulative female canine" and "damn, I want to tap that".

[Bhatair]

Gerrawn wrote...

I'm really torn between "I want to shank that manipulative female canine" and "damn, I want to tap that".

Get used to having this thought.

Just saying. >.>

[Zafireria]

In my game Anora is queen, Alistair didn't wanted to be king, so that kind of made my decision.

But look at the bright side you get to kill her father in front of her, no matter if you or Alistair does it, lol.



In mine Alistair killed him, I sort of thought it was his moment.

[errant_knight]

Zafireria wrote...

In my game Anora is queen, Alistair didn't wanted to be king, so that kind of made my decision.
But look at the bright side you get to kill her father in front of her, no matter if you or Alistair does it, lol.

In mine Alistair killed him, I sort of thought it was his moment.

Heh, I have trouble taking that away from him, too.

ejoslin wrote...

Heh, I wonder how many people here have spoken to Loghain about Anora and why she wanted to be broken out of Howe's estate. Apparently, she's a bit of a drama queen. That said, I'm amazed that anyone would take the option of telling Ser Cauwhatever that they had Anora. It truly never occurred to me. If she wanted to be known, she wouldn't be wearing a disguise.

I take everything Anora says with a serious grain of salt, especially since I disagree with many of them up front. I've wanted to turn her over, but haven't done it since I figured it would guarantee that she goes against you at Landsmeet.

Xandurpein wrote...
 
Umm... what signs are you referring to really??? I'm not saying either Anora or Loghain are exactly the cuddly types, but they are different persons. Loghain is obsessive and paranoid. Anora thinks she is a great Queen and loves dramatic flair, but she is as far as I know neither obessive or paranoid.

I think she's pretty obsessive about holding power. She won't step aside for a legitimate heir. She lied about being willing to support Alistair for the good of Fereldan if it came to that. She is clearly willing to continue the civil war in that she won't swear fealty once the matter has been decided.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 janvier 2010 - 12:37 .

[RedRobinRobber]

meh, you can see her motives. my human noble made an heir with her and became king, so i dont mind.

[Zafireria]

errant_knight wrote...

Zafireria wrote...

In my game Anora is queen, Alistair didn't wanted to be king, so that kind of made my decision.
But look at the bright side you get to kill her father in front of her, no matter if you or Alistair does it, lol.

In mine Alistair killed him, I sort of thought it was his moment.

Heh, I have trouble taking that away from him, too.

Highfive there friend

Spite I have heard that you can duel Loghain and then make Alistair kill him. But I thought the duel was his also, so I let him do it.

[errant_knight]

Lol! I was just thinking that nothing good ever comes from comparisons to Hitler....

[hereticeyes]

Bhatair wrote...

retr0rganism wrote...

  a good face,

*wipes away drool* what were you saying? I was, er.. distracted.

hehe so Cailan and my mage were not the only ones moved by Anora's grace and assets.

[tmp7704]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Anora will sometimes backstab you even if you went to jail like a good little mouse AND told her you would support her for queen - if when she asks about her father you say that justice needs to be served.

No, the flag for 'betrayal' is set in conversation in only one instance -- that is, if you tell her that her father has to die "without question".

If you pick the 'softer' option how "justice must be done, don't you think?" then it does not set her "betrayal" flag and if you have alliance with her at this point she'll support you at the Landsmeet even if you revealed her at Arl's house. In fact this is exactly how it went in my playthrough with her.