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[SarEnyaDor]

I don't know what to say to that, except in that play through (female elf mage) I didn't harden Alistair, had no plans on making him king, never mentioned him, supported Anora from the get-go, went sweetly to jail, and the only dialogue option that I picked that remotely could have been bad for Anora was "justice must be done" then in saunters Anora, I'm all smug because I was even going to get the smarmy-support-Loghain-all-the-time-guy to back me up and she throws out the "Grey Wardens have betrayed us all.. my father hero of River Dane" BS and there was a massive fight that I thought I had artfully avoided.

[tmp7704]

I have no explanation either   i'm guessing it could either be a glitch in the savegame or the game itself, or perhaps there's some other line in one of the conversation which also triggers that flag and you've had the misfortune of picking it -- i didn't really go through the whole conversation file so maybe there is something like that there.

[fanman72]

I was dissapointed there wasn't an option to execute her. Oh well, throwing her in some tower is good enough I guess

[ejoslin]

Alistair should have been strong enough to execute her. Civil war was still a huge threat. Actually, I can't think of anything dumber than imprisoning her and then making her his heir and then expecting there to be no very-loyal-to-anora people about to ensure he falls in battle.

Edit: The fact that there weren't is a bit of a surprise, actually.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 janvier 2010 - 01:36 .

[errant_knight]

Zafireria wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Zafireria wrote...

In my game Anora is queen, Alistair didn't wanted to be king, so that kind of made my decision.
But look at the bright side you get to kill her father in front of her, no matter if you or Alistair does it, lol.

In mine Alistair killed him, I sort of thought it was his moment.

Heh, I have trouble taking that away from him, too.

Highfive there friend

Spite I have heard that you can duel Loghain and then make Alistair kill him. But I thought the duel was his also, so I let him do it.

I did that once, so I could get some of the discussion about making Loghain a warden, then gave Alistair the sword. In future, I will probably just give him thw whole thing for the most part. Someday, I'll have to make myself spare Loghain just to play that part of the game, but it will be a while, and go against every instinct.

fanman72 wrote...

I was dissapointed there wasn't an option to execute her. Oh well, throwing her in some tower is good enough I guess

I think Alistair had the right of it. He could die fighting the archdemon, so they needed to keep her around as an option. Also, she hadn't commited any crime to be executed for other than refusing to swear fealty. Imprisonment for that is more just than execution, although Anora would have executed Alistair no matter what.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 janvier 2010 - 01:40 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Tirigon wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

She is a cold blooded, ruthless ****, but I still put her on the throne anyway. Gives poor Alistair a break, and if she steps out of line, well...the Crows do owe me a few favors....

So, I really can't say I hate her. She serves an important purpose, and unless you're an elf, does a respectable job of running the country.

Unless you were a jew, communist, homosexual, liberal, or not a complete assclown, the same goes for Hitler.

And no, I´m not a fascist, I hate Hitler. Just a thought that came to my mind reading your post.

Or alot of other rulers. fascists aren't the only band with a claim on serious abuses of ethnic or social minorities. In fact, even Anora's anti-elven rampages are pretty minor compared to other rulers in Thedas. from what I gathered in cannon, Ferelden is pretty tame, as far as Thedas goes.

Lasting social change comes from people down the ranks. Rulers only respond when the pressure is on.

[mousestalker]

Whether Anora is or was a good Queen, I'll leave to y'all to debate. What I think is beyond dispute is her father's assessment that she is a great drama queen.

[mousestalker]

I like to spare Loghain and then have him take the final blow against the dragon. Alistair has a hissy fit, but if all goes well, he marries Anora and the streets of Ferelden turn to vermeil. all the water becomes maple syrup and every woman gives birth to triplets. Or something like that.

[Herr Uhl]

mousestalker wrote...
 all the water becomes maple syrup and every woman gives birth to triplets. Or something like that.

And the people die from starvation and drought. You fiend!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair should have been strong enough to execute her. Civil war was still a huge threat. Actually, I can't think of anything dumber than imprisoning her and then making her his heir and then expecting there to be no very-loyal-to-anora people about to ensure he falls in battle.

Edit: The fact that there weren't is a bit of a surprise, actually.

Wow Alistair even smarter than an actual player... it's a miracle

To quote Alistair during that speech

"I said if I FALL Anora, if I FALL the throne goes to you, I'm not about to face some blight and leave Ferelden without a ruler!" (or close enough to that)

Also I think the "very-loyal-to-anora people" would have something else to deal with than looking to backstab anyone on the field of battle.

[ejoslin]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair should have been strong enough to execute her. Civil war was still a huge threat. Actually, I can't think of anything dumber than imprisoning her and then making her his heir and then expecting there to be no very-loyal-to-anora people about to ensure he falls in battle.

Edit: The fact that there weren't is a bit of a surprise, actually.

Wow Alistair even smarter than an actual player... it's a miracle

To quote Alistair during that speech

"I said if I FALL Anora, if I FALL the throne goes to you, I'm not about to face some blight and leave Ferelden without a ruler!" (or close enough to that)

Also I think the "very-loyal-to-anora people" would have something else to deal with than looking to backstab anyone on the field of battle.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.  But why the insults?  It certainly doesn't give your argument any weight.  In fact, ad hominen attacks do quite the opposite. Peace!

[Gold Dragon]

errant_knight wrote...
I did that once, so I could get some of the discussion about making Loghain a warden, then gave Alistair the sword. In future, I will probably just give him thw whole thing for the most part. Someday, I'll have to make myself spare Loghain just to play that part of the game, but it will be a while, and go against every instinct.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one to feel that way.

[Xandurpein]

errant_knight wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
 
Umm... what signs are you referring to really??? I'm not saying either Anora or Loghain are exactly the cuddly types, but they are different persons. Loghain is obsessive and paranoid. Anora thinks she is a great Queen and loves dramatic flair, but she is as far as I know neither obessive or paranoid.

I think she's pretty obsessive about holding power. She won't step aside for a legitimate heir. She lied about being willing to support Alistair for the good of Fereldan if it came to that. She is clearly willing to continue the civil war in that she won't swear fealty once the matter has been decided.

I think you got your information seriously wrong. Anora is the legitimate ruler of Ferelden. She was not Cailen's consort, she was Queen in her own name. Alistair is not the first in line to rule when Cailen dies, Anora is. This does however make Alistair legitimate heir to the throne if Anora dies childless. As Ferelden have a tradition of limiting the power of the Monarch, a Landsmeet can depose the legitiate ruler legally, but that's it.

What you are allowed to do in the game is to let Arl Eamon call a Landsmeet and in effect stage a coup against Anora. It's legal in Ferelden to do so at a Landsmeet, but don't kid yourself that you are not stealing Anora's crown or think it strange that she wants to hang on to it. Even the developers have confirmed that Anora is legally the Queen before the Landsmeet.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:16 .

[Xandurpein]

To elaborate a bit as this seems to have people a little confused. Cailen and Anora where co-rulers as King and Queen. When Cailen died Anora simply continued to rule as before, but without Cailen. This means that while Anora is ruling Queen, Alistair is the last living person of King Maric's bloodline.



If both Anora and Alistair was out of the picture, there is no one left with a legitimate claim on the throne. In the best of circumstances a Landsmeet would then choose a new King/Queen, but chances are that they would not be able to decide on one accepted candidate and this could well result in civil war. Hence it makes uncommon sense for Alistair to spare Anora for the sake of the Kingdom as he risk death fighting the Archdemon. He does not have the option to legally make anyone else his heir if he dies.



One could argue that Anora ought to do the same and just lock Alistair in a dungeon, and while it would make sense, at least she is not in immediate risk of dying plunging her sword through an Archdemon.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xandurpein wrote...
I think you got your information seriously wrong. Anora is the legitimate ruler of Ferelden.

She's not of noble blood. Alistair is. That matters to the bannorn a lot.

[Xandurpein]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
I think you got your information seriously wrong. Anora is the legitimate ruler of Ferelden.

She's not of noble blood. Alistair is. That matters to the bannorn a lot.

She IS of noble blood even if her father is the first man of the line. It simply means that her noble blood is not as ancient as others. There is no rule that says you have to wait so-and-so many generations before your familys nobility is confirmed.

And her blood has no bearing whatsoever on the question if Anora is legitimate ruler of Ferelden or not. It simply means that it might get a little easier to depose her and take the crown from her.