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[wright1978]

Of ME2 exclusives. Only Mordin and Legion have reasonable content.

Take your pick of the rest as to who got worst treatment. All received little in ME3.

[NatP]

Easy, Morinth in terms of pure content ss pure awful. Zaaed as well. Hell, most of the characters that aren't Mordin and Legion got cameo-like roles.

However the ones that got the worst treatment are those that were CHANGED. Like Jacob, who becomes a completly different character. He was bland in me2 but not a bad character. But in me3? It's awful.

BUT the character that become literally completly different is Kasumi. In ME3 she's... Scared... Which is such a radical, awful change to her awesome character. The thief that once JUMPED ONTO A WARSHIP WITHOUT THINKING TWICE, the woman that constantly infiltrates some of the most well guarded places in the galaxy, lies to Sheapard ("You roped me into a suicide mission") to get him not to invite her back to the normandy. However Kasumi's one of my favorite characters and my favorite female character in the series, so I guess I am a little biased...

Modifié par NatP, 08 janvier 2013 - 05:06 .

[Seboist]

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

The actual answer is anyone who doesn't have a Dextro-based DNA.

Mordin has an incredible story. Legion has a lot of weight too, even if I still don't understand why he had to die.

Its just the fate of ME2 characters. They can either die, or live on as a meaningless war asset number. Because of reasons.

That's just what happens when you design characters to be disposable mooks in a "suicide mission" without thinking ahead.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I dunno why everyone is saying Thane, he had one of the better storylines in ME3, and the reason he couldn't beat Kai Leng is because he was sick, I think had Thane been in his prime Kai Leng wouldn't have stood a chance.

For me Miranda had an awful story in ME3, as she's my favorite LI but I suppose she had more screen time than other ME2 squad mate. But I'd have to agree that Jacob if romanced has one of the worst story lines in the trilogy, I laughed when someone told me if he was romanced he dumps Shepard without even telling her and knocks up another woman, way to stereotype Bioware lulz.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 08 janvier 2013 - 05:06 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Mordin by a long shot....first they scrapped Michael Beattie for some sub-par VA and then you are forced to shoot him down if you save Maelon's data and/or Wrex is around. I later revised my game to reflect the proper choices I should have made in ME1 and ME2 and finally got to save Mordin.....but the EC slide shows him testing on Krogans again....I am seriously hoping that means he's looking to update the genophage with a lower birth rate.

As it stands unless the ME3 real problem is addressed I probably won't end up getting ME4 but in the unlikely event that it is fixed and I actually end up getting it I would absolutely hate to have to go and revise Mordin's survival because the Krogan are cured.

[Argolas]

Morinth would be No.1 if I ever would have been interested in that character. Well, I was at first because characters that seem to hide something make me curious, but later, I saw that we never actually got to know Morinth, so her character basically stayed a murderer **** and that's it. So after that, I'd say Miranda who never shuts up about her sister (I do like that part of her character, but ME3 focused on that way too much) and Samara whom I really liked in ME2 but simply pissed me off in her only real ME3 appearance in the monastery mission. Also, Legion is on the list because he changed from "Geth build their own future." as opposed to heretics who accept reaper tech, accepting foreign technology makes "blind for alternatives" and such into basically "I will upload these reaper upgrades and I won't stop unless you kill me".

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I think Mordin's sacrifice to cure the Genophage is ME3's best moment, its all down hill after that tbh.

[Sir George Parr]

Easily Jacob for completing his evolution into a stereotype. He has an appallingly attitude towards Fem Shep if romanced. Dumps Shepard and gets Lady Hawke pregnant and doesn't bother to tell Shepard.As a couple of my Fem Sheps are getting close to importing into ME2 i am going to do Fem Shepard and Lady Hawke a favour and make sure this man doesn't survive the suicide mission as he is such a ...

Modifié par XM-417, 08 janvier 2013 - 06:31 .

[Caihn]

Miranda, Jack, Jacob and Thane.

[AnubisOnly]

And what will happen if I don't rescue Jacob and he's LI in ME3?

Modifié par Lucas1987Dion, 08 janvier 2013 - 05:29 .

[Darth_Trethon]

DinoSteve wrote...

I think Mordin's sacrifice to cure the Genophage is ME3's best moment, its all down hill after that tbh.

More like the worst moment.....seeing a best friend throw his life away to cure a race of mindless murderers is a huge low. Wrex may be different but just like Nyreen he WILL be forgotten withing seconds of his death at the Krogan all return to their old ways. In no time they will once again be slaughtering millions and billions of innocents as they start driving asteroids into planets as they did during the Krogan rebellions and once again they will become a threat to every living being out there.

The Krogan must NOT in any way shape or form be cured even if it means I have to gun down Mording myself. Fortunately I do not, not anymore.....I instead kill Wrex in ME1 and destroy Maelon's data in ME2 as well as ensuring Grunt does not make it past the suicide mission. This allows me to ensure Mordin lives and that the Krogan will fully throw themselves at the reapers without being cured. It should be enough to ensure they never become a problem again.

[shepskisaac]

Morinth wins the overall competition, Jacob with romance.

[MACharlie1]

Belisarius25 wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

how does Jack become a banshee though?

If you don't do the Grissom Academy mission quickly enough, Cerberus captures it and you end up hearing recordings of Jack being tortured at Cerberus HQ. When you get to the human reaper area, you find her as a phantom (with her standard lines)

She doesn't even get a cutscene. Just a Phantom shows saying "I will destroy you!" and then EDI saying "I believe that was Jack..."

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...

That's just what happens when you design characters to be disposable mooks in a "suicide mission" without thinking ahead.

QFT.

In hindsight ME2 created too many characters to be properly taken care of in ME3.

[CronoDragoon]

Morinth definitely got the biggest shaft. Not that many care, but my Renegade did have her so...

[Nero Narmeril]

I dunno why everyone is saying Thane, he had one of the better storylines in ME3, and the reason he couldn't beat Kai Leng is because he was sick, I think had Thane been in his prime Kai Leng wouldn't have stood a chance.

Even ill Thane could easily beat Leng. Damn, first he has beating him like good old days. Then awful moment appeared...

[Belisarius25]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That's just what happens when you design characters to be disposable mooks in a "suicide mission" without thinking ahead.

QFT.

In hindsight ME2 created too many characters to be properly taken care of in ME3.

This is the real issue. There were too many squadmates, even after they wrote the VS out of ME2 and also demoted Wrex to an extra (albeit one with an intriguing storyling that plays out well). They were writing themselves into a hole unless they made ME3 ridiculously long or they shafted some characters even more than they already did.

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That's just what happens when you design characters to be disposable mooks in a "suicide mission" without thinking ahead.

QFT.

In hindsight ME2 created too many characters to be properly taken care of in ME3.

Yes i find some of them unnecssary why we needed 12 (or 10) people is beyond me 

[SwordofMercy1]

Thane by far. He doesn't even get a peaceful death that he wanted. Stupid troll Kai Leng >!

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That's just what happens when you design characters to be disposable mooks in a "suicide mission" without thinking ahead.

QFT.

In hindsight ME2 created too many characters to be properly taken care of in ME3.

Yes i find some of them unnecssary why we needed 12 (or 10) people is beyond me 

*Edit*
I didn't see the point in some of the chachaters as much as i love them

Shepard didn't need

A Tank Krogan
An assassin
A theft
A Justicar
An insane person
An ex alliance Soldier

Shepard needed

A scientist- Mordin
A connection to Cerberus- Miranda
A gun Coordinator (or something dealing with guns mainly ship guns)- Garrus
An Engineer- Tali
A person who studies Collectors (i guess)
A Synthetic- Leigon

[Twilight_Princess]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Teammates that get good treatment: 

Garrus/Tali (fan favorites/been around since ME1),

Mordin goes out in a blaze of glory, 

Grunt actually improves from his ME2 persona (I thought he was a waste of space mostly and his loyalty mission was terrible).

Unromanced Jack has some nice character development

The Meh

Morinth gets banshee'd off screen, although I guess it's hard to be sympathetic towards her (imo)


Samara (still doing her own thing, actually agrees to help fight the Reapers directly unlike people like Jacob who wants to babysit his girlfriend or [ugh] having Miranda's sister/father take precedence over the Reaper invasion.



The bad
Jacob - especially if romanced, but also responsible for making Shepard really uncomfortable at Huerta, decides he'd rather hang out with his girlfriend than fight the reapers. Just glad I didn't have to hear "THROWING DOWN A BARRIER" again

Thane - He's your LI? Too bad. Even if he's not, he gets only a few lines of dialogue and falls victim to Captain Cutscene/acting utterly stupid in the fight. Nice death scene, I guess

Miranda - If you're going to essentially write her out of the game, couldn't you at least make her storyline about undercover operatives fighting against Cerberus (maybe with news reports about them sabotaging a base here, etc.) on top of it? Did we really have to dip into the daddy issues/sister yet again? Even worse if you're romancing her and/or she dies because you didn't do something that's, at best, tertiary to everything else you're doing.

Legion - I loved Legion in ME2 but the more I've played ME3, the more I dislike what they did with him. The Geth want to build their own future (ME2)? Well, since we have this Reaper code handy that will magically skip ahead, never mind that. Also, really disliked how they made him continously act behind Shepard's back on Rannoch when the trust-building in ME2 was supposedly such a big deal.

Kasumi/Zaeed - Non-entities except to give people who bought the DLCs some extra war assets. I wonder if poor Kasumi knows about Jacob

Romanced Jack - .....there's a trend here! Also suck sif you didn't realize Grissom Academy has a timer and you end up having to kill her

Kelly Chambers - Technically not a squadmate but her fate is really obnoxious - doesn't show up at all unless you had dinner with her (uh, okay), plus you can get her killed!



 

Don't need to say anything you summed up the utter fail perfectly  

[jtav]

They really needed to reduce the cast of ME2 from 12 to 8. Thane, Samara, Zaeed, and Kasumi add nothing except backups on the SM. Squad should have been:

Miranda
Jacob
Garrus
Tali
Mordin
Legion
Grunt (DLC)
Jack (DLC, removed as LI)

With only 8 characters and 4 LIs, the remainder get a bigger share of resources.

[NatP]

Finn the Jakey wrote...
But Kasumi definitely got the worst character assassination: Being retconed into a spineless, ****y coward who whines at Shepard even though she knew what she was doing and only did it for the money, refuses to help him and dies from a tiny computer exploding.
Oh and she gets retconned into not coming to terms with her lover's death and continuing to be obsessed with him.
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THANK YOU, I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed this. I'm going to have start killing her off in the suicide mission now. And she's my favorite female character in Mass Effect. :/

[capn233]

NatP wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
But Kasumi definitely got the worst character assassination: Being retconed into a spineless, ****y coward who whines at Shepard even though she knew what she was doing and only did it for the money, refuses to help him and dies from a tiny computer exploding.
Oh and she gets retconned into not coming to terms with her lover's death and continuing to be obsessed with him.
.

THANK YOU, I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed this. I'm going to have start killing her off in the suicide mission now. And she's my favorite female character in Mass Effect. :/

Kasumi doesn't die from a computer exploding...

She also has the line asking about Jacob, and says "I'm nostalgic, not dead."