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[StayFrosty05]

I miss being able to browse threads and seeing other peoples perceptions....I didn't browse only the threads I had a personal interest in, I browsed many out of curiosity and interest in how other people saw the game and characters.

[Restrider]

Well, since the IT thread has been locked, there was a peak in the IT group discussion. However, the discussion there died after some venting and moved to another forum/board, which has now 150 members in less than a week.
I think this shows how bad the group UI really is.

[Uncle Jo]

Romance, story/endings interpretations, character discussions are, imo, integral parts of the ME3 campaign. I do not approve moving them to group discussions. We all know that the group interface sucks and the topics discussed in are much less visible. What happened to the IT for exemple is very alike to censorship, no matter what Chris said.

[Restrider]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Romance, story/endings interpretations, character discussions are, imo, integral parts of the ME3 campaign. I do not approve moving them to group discussions. We all know that the group interface sucks and the topics discussed in are much less visible. What happened to the IT for exemple is very alike to censorship, no matter what Chris said.

And it hurt the BSN in general, considering the drain of posters/lurkers that has happened in the last few days. And it is not like these people were trolls/spammers.

[Renmiri1]

Restrider wrote...

Well, since the IT thread has been locked, there was a peak in the IT group discussion. However, the discussion there died after some venting and moved to another forum/board, which has now 150 members in less than a week.
I think this shows how bad the group UI really is.

Out of sight, out of mind. I think that was the intention of moving it to groups. 

[Obadiah]

The thing about the groups is that they don't show up in google searches, but the forum does. That makes it easier to find relevant threads in the forum.

[Galbrant]

They wanted us to speculated the endings, So we did. In return they banned the most prominent  theory from discussion from the forums. So why have the damn forums in the first place? I should not have to join a group to discuss the Indoctrination Theory.    If they are going to start banning on what we can speculate, then just close the forums.

Modifié par Galbrant, 10 janvier 2013 - 03:56 .

[Uncle Jo]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Well, since the IT thread has been locked, there was a peak in the IT group discussion. However, the discussion there died after some venting and moved to another forum/board, which has now 150 members in less than a week.
I think this shows how bad the group UI really is.

Out of sight, out of mind. I think that was the intention of moving it to groups. 

Pretty much. The IT thread will be still stickied for a while and then simply disappear. It's at least what they expect.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:17 .

[giftfish]

@StayFrosty -- I too miss being able to browse.

@Uncle Jo -- Totally on the same page with you.

@Obadiah -- You point about no web search results from groups is a very good point. It makes it very difficult for players to find topics that they are looks for answers to, to discuss, etc.

Really appreciate all the feedback about the Groups, please keep it coming!

[coldwetn0se]

I really do hope they reconsider opening these forum sections and thread discussions. Groups are just not "inviting" to new participants. And "lurking" is often the gateway for people to eventually post, and add their thoughts, opinions, ideas and questions. Can't easily lurk in groups.

[CmdrShep80]

draconian139 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I'm in a couple of active groups; they have a few notable advantages to the regular forums, such as being able to keep crazy people out and being able to bypass the censor without being banned.

Well these advantages are moot in some cases.

At least in terms of the IT group:
1.The group desires to keep it open to all and not seclude it even more than it already is.
2.People have already been banned for comments that were made in the group.

we left the IT groups open despite recommendations to limit who can post because we wanted to give people who lurk, non ME3 owners, and newbies an opportunity to view the content like before

though  we found the groups to be really stifling. Imagine doing close to 50 posts a day on forums and being unable to find anything on groups.   So then we moved everything elsewhere to have a forum to really discuss IT at length like how we used to. It's not perfect but there are some major improvements for some of us. 

[CmdrShep80]

By the way for my votes had you asked me when IT was up I would have said no for 1 and 2. I didn't use groups before. I just found out about it probably halfway through the IT mark 3 when someone asked me to help with his project. I didn't even know that groups existed. Now I find myself posting in groups but still only to 1 group.

I still post on forums here and there and am posting a bit more outside the IT thread which isn't a bad thing but still overall find myself posting less per day than before where I would post quite a bit if I wasn't playing a game or enjoying life ie sleep, work, life things

[CmdrShep80]

coldwetn0se wrote...

I really do hope they reconsider opening these forum sections and thread discussions. Groups are just not "inviting" to new participants. And "lurking" is often the gateway for people to eventually post, and add their thoughts, opinions, ideas and questions. Can't easily lurk in groups.

thats true plus some people enjoy not posting and just reading. Despite the titles of groups and forums I found that I meet more friend on the forums

[giftfish]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

we left the IT groups open despite recommendations to limit who can post because we wanted to give people who lurk, non ME3 owners, and newbies an opportunity to view the content like before

though  we found the groups to be really stifling. Imagine doing close to 50 posts a day on forums and being unable to find anything on groups.   So then we moved everything elsewhere to have a forum to really discuss IT at length like how we used to. It's not perfect but there are some major improvements for some of us. 

Thanks for posting this information.

It's unfortunate that you've had to leave BSN to continue the discussion, due to both the requirement to move to Groups and then the fact that the Group interface lacks the necessary features.  Maybe we can get BW to rethink this. 

Looking at the poll results, it seems that many folks do not use Groups and those that do find them inadequate

[xsdob]

They could just post a link to the group in the forums for anyone interested and have searches done that way.

Groups aren't that bad, just a little different, and while the search function could use improving, the actual groups themselves work.

As far as I can see, the only reason the groups are failing is because of the users own faults in not wanting to adapt to a new system, rather than shrugging responsibility solely on the groups themselves.

EDIT: This is a subjective opinion. IF you feel ofended by what is written above, than I apologize. I will not alter it because that is my honest opinion, but a disclaimer on my post feels appropriate to avoid massive flame wars over whether or not I call for the surpression of the first amendmant, as this issue has croped up before in post I make.

Modifié par xsdob, 11 janvier 2013 - 08:30 .

[Red Panda]

giftfish wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I did not vote in the last 3 because I don't use the groups section. It would seem I'm not alone.

Yep, that makes sense.  I am surprised myself by the amount of responses so far for people who don't use the groups. An n>100 is a decently robust sample size, but that also assumes that the sample is random, which it most certainly is not.

Still, surprising and interesting.

Do you really need to use robust t procedures? I mean the sample size is large enough and BSN has a pretty large population size that one might be able to overlook it.

You could probably use z procedures and be alright.

It seems mostly independent as it's not violating any 10% condition.

The thing is, it's voluntary response. It's "not exactly" a good sampling method which of course you said.






My question is what will you use this stuff for?

[Ithurael]

Poor IT thread....

where did it go anyway? Did the mods Delete it?

[Restrider]

Ithurael wrote...

Poor IT thread....

where did it go anyway? Did the mods Delete it?

They unstickied it and it is now moving down the the pages on the board since no one can post there anymore.
The actual IT discussion now takes place outside of BSN. You can find the link to that page in the IT group.

[mnomaha]

Come on...bioware's "team" can't even implement a 'top of page' button. How could they possibly improve on the crappy groups function.

I prefer the un-censored public forums like facebook, twitter, etc.

[giftfish]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Do you really need to use robust t procedures? I mean the sample size is large enough and BSN has a pretty large population size that one might be able to overlook it.

You could probably use z procedures and be alright.

It seems mostly independent as it's not violating any 10% condition.

The thing is, it's voluntary response. It's "not exactly" a good sampling method which of course you said.
My question is what will you use this stuff for?

Not using it for anything -- just wanted to see the opinions from other folks and hopefully give BW something else to think about.

I mentioned the "numbers" because the first inclination for some folks will be to dismiss any poll results that don't have an insanely large sample size.  But, my instincts are that the current sample size is large enough to see a pattern, certainly.  Though, as usual, polls are always subject to the folks who decide to take the time to vote in them!

@xsdob -- No need to apologize, you're allowed to state your opinion -- it's what I was asking for in the initial post. Not everyone needs to agree :]  The search function does need improving, but it's also difficult to nagivate individual threads in the Groups.  You can get to the last page and first page easily, but anywhere in between will take an abundance of mouse clicks if it is a long thread.  The problem there is that no page numbers are displayed along the top, as there are in a forum thread, so if you are just joining, or have been absent for awhile, it's a real plain to navigate. There are other issues, but that's another dominant one.

Modifié par giftfish, 11 janvier 2013 - 09:31 .