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Ah! IGN the home of hypocritical reviewers.

[Dragoonlordz]

DinoSteve wrote...

Ah! IGN the home of hypocritical reviewers.

No more hypocritical than peoples reviews, feedback and opinions on this site. That link on IGN is nothing more than one persons blog and what he/she feels about the game.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ah! IGN the home of hypocritical reviewers.

No more hypocritical than peoples reviews, feedback and opinions on this site. That link on IGN is nothing more than one persons blog and what he/she feels about the game.

I never said anything about the blog, I'm talking about the reviewer's and yes they are vastly more hypocritical, I also find people opinions on this site pretty consistent, they either hate or love the ending with a few in between that doesn't really care.

[Dragoonlordz]

DinoSteve wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ah! IGN the home of hypocritical reviewers.

No more hypocritical than peoples reviews, feedback and opinions on this site. That link on IGN is nothing more than one persons blog and what he/she feels about the game.

I never said anything about the blog, I'm talking about the reviewer's and yes they are vastly more hypocritical, I also find people opinions on this site pretty consistent, they either hate or love the ending with a few in between that doesn't really care.

Every review is just one persons opinion and between here and IGN I find vastly more hypocrites on here as it is not just about whether like or hate something it is also about why of which that latter aspect is where most people on here are hypocritical.

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I was never under the impression that reviews weren't anything but opinion, my problem is when, and I notice it alot on IGN, reviewers give good reviews on a game that has just come out and then 6 months till a year later its only then they start talking about the faults the game had, and its weird they are usually all EA games. 

Modifié par DinoSteve, 10 janvier 2013 - 07:35 .

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[V-rcingetorix]

Coreniro wrote...

The guy on ign writes about "rewards". An end isn't supposed to be a reward for those who get there. This arguement about the hundreds of hours invested in the game, only to get a reward in the end, is pure bull****. The reward I get from the hours I've played is the hundreds of things I've seen and done, not a stupid price in the end.
That guy on ign is delusional. Talking about giving every single person the ending they want just because it's an rpg. Yeah, there's no problem in doing that.

Thanks, but I disagree. I also acknowledge your right to an opinion; it simply isn't mine.

Change an ending for each individual player? No thanks, that's just as much a rip-off as telling everyone their choices matter, then handing them a suicide-suicide-suicide ending.

ME1 and ME2 had fantastic parts, and I will go out on a limb to say ME3 had incredible parts. Thanes' death was very well made, as was Mordins' moral decision. Deciding between Rachni and Grunts' squad, very well done as were hundreds of other decisions.

What's bothered me about the ending is that there is no chance at all, and thats against what the series has always done well.  For example: no chance to stop Saren...but we did. No chance to make it through the Omega Relay...but we did. No chance to convince the quarians, geth, turian and krogan to make peace....and we did.

No chance to survive this final fight...and we didn't? Fine, leave in Casper the Kidly Ghost, and leave in all the lore-bending that was introduced in the last 15 minutes (including EC). The only option is to essentially lose your body, somehow override everyones' choices about organic/mech upgrades, or kill half of your allies along with the Reapers. Shepard was limited, and that is what rankles me. Sorry.

[3DandBeyond]

DinoSteve wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ah! IGN the home of hypocritical reviewers.

No more hypocritical than peoples reviews, feedback and opinions on this site. That link on IGN is nothing more than one persons blog and what he/she feels about the game.

I never said anything about the blog, I'm talking about the reviewer's and yes they are vastly more hypocritical, I also find people opinions on this site pretty consistent, they either hate or love the ending with a few in between that doesn't really care.

They actually are quite hypocritical as are all of the paid review sites.  They cannot make money if they review things in a fully honest manner.  Or, at least the perception exists, but it's funny that all of the "big" for pay review sites couldn't say enough in ME3's favor and didn't even find a fault with it, whereas the public in general had a much different reaction.  10 out of 10 is not reality.  They in fact struggled to not say negative things.  I know people will think that calling them paid review sites indicates that EA pays them for good reviews, but that is the end result and not necessarily a straight line relationship.  The problem is that IGN is owned by a media group that has ties to EA and other game companies as well as they sell video games on their site (right now they link to Game Stop to sell games).

What's telling is that Mass Effect 3 got a perfect rating for them (and they earn money from its sales by linking to sales of the game-always did), but Leviathan did not, nor did Omega (and neither of those earn them any money).  I can't say there's a 100% relationships here, but the implications are obvious to anyone with a brain.  Leviathan and Omega were both somewhat panned by them, called "meh" and "pointless", because of the endings.  So, why wouldn't at least someone at IGN see that the whole game itself suffers from the same problems.  The genophage cure is pointless, the geth/quarian decision is pointless because it's all funneld into 3 vanilla choices that render them meaningless.  The original endings should at least have warranted some debate within IGN and some differing opinions.  It's like saying everyone just loves chocolate ice cream and then asking the general public what it thinks and seeing that not everyone does-someone at IGN must have found things lacking in ME3.  It's statistically impossible for all of them to love it equally.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Every review is just one persons opinion and between here and IGN I find vastly more hypocrites on here as it is not just about whether like or hate something it is also about why of which that latter aspect is where most people on here are hypocritical.

Actually, I see just the opposite on here from what exists on for pay review sites.  And that includes those who feel the endings and game as a whole works for them and those that don't.  I see a lot of people stating opinions that don't agree with what others think.  And then I do see some that tend to try to mischaracterize what has been said in an effort to debase the poster.  Say you want something "happier" or a "win" ending and the lie that is then said of you is that all you want is something easy, or Disney, or bunnies and rainbows, and cheesy and cheap.  It's about time everyone started to really listen to each other and stop trying to demean each other because we see things differently.

The main area of hypocrisy that often exists is in saying this was BW's story to tell as they wished and yet not recognizing that they did write a story (a possible story) that one could get that the endings do not fit with.  It also exists in statements made by old Dragoonlordz here who has said he didn't really pay attention to all the pre-release hype so it didn't affect his opinion and didn't ruin his thoughts on the game (didn't see it so it does not matter).  But, he's also said that if there were new or different endings, even optional ones he would never see that he would know they exist and that would ruin his game. 

He also said that people that didn't get an ending they think clearly should have been a part of the game are being selfish to have ever asked for endings they'd be willing to pay for, but it's not selfish to say "I got something I like, so tough luck if you didn't."  I was brought up with a different understanding of both the words, hypocrite and selfish.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ah! IGN the home of hypocritical reviewers.

No more hypocritical than peoples reviews, feedback and opinions on this site. That link on IGN is nothing more than one persons blog and what he/she feels about the game.

I never said anything about the blog, I'm talking about the reviewer's and yes they are vastly more hypocritical, I also find people opinions on this site pretty consistent, they either hate or love the ending with a few in between that doesn't really care.

They actually are quite hypocritical as are all of the paid review sites.  They cannot make money if they review things in a fully honest manner.  Or, at least the perception exists, but it's funny that all of the "big" for pay review sites couldn't say enough in ME3's favor and didn't even find a fault with it, whereas the public in general had a much different reaction.  10 out of 10 is not reality.  They in fact struggled to not say negative things.  I know people will think that calling them paid review sites indicates that EA pays them for good reviews, but that is the end result and not necessarily a straight line relationship.  The problem is that IGN is owned by a media group that has ties to EA and other game companies as well as they sell video games on their site (right now they link to Game Stop to sell games).

What's telling is that Mass Effect 3 got a perfect rating for them (and they earn money from its sales by linking to sales of the game-always did), but Leviathan did not, nor did Omega (and neither of those earn them any money).  I can't say there's a 100% relationships here, but the implications are obvious to anyone with a brain.  Leviathan and Omega were both somewhat panned by them, called "meh" and "pointless", because of the endings.  So, why wouldn't at least someone at IGN see that the whole game itself suffers from the same problems.  The genophage cure is pointless, the geth/quarian decision is pointless because it's all funneld into 3 vanilla choices that render them meaningless.  The original endings should at least have warranted some debate within IGN and some differing opinions.  It's like saying everyone just loves chocolate ice cream and then asking the general public what it thinks and seeing that not everyone does-someone at IGN must have found things lacking in ME3.  It's statistically impossible for all of them to love it equally.

Why did ME3 get 10/10? I'll tell you how. The reviewers played a section of the game. Perhaps the Tuchanka story arc, then played some multi-player. Got told there was a deadline to get the review out and didn't have time to play the entire game. Never saw the ending. That's my guess. I don't think the reviewer at Game Informer played the entire game either before reviewing it. I don't think any of these reviewers do.

If ME3 deserved a 10/10, then every game I bought in the past two years deserved a 10/10. Halo 4 deserved a 10/10. Borderlands 2 deserved a 10/10. Skyrim 10/10 (PS3 people will scream - granted Bethesda probably shouldn't have put it out for the PS3 for another year). Witcher 2 10/10. Gears 3 10/10. Come on, it's called ratings inflation. You lower the bar for one game you've got to lower it for all of them, and that's a bad idea. 

But if a no name company put out a game with an ending like the original? It would have gotten trashed. That's the problem with these magazines and their ratings. I don't believe any of them anymore.

[FlamingBoy]

DinoSteve wrote...

I was never under the impression that reviews weren't anything but opinion, my problem is when, and I notice it alot on IGN, reviewers give good reviews on a game that has just come out and then 6 months till a year later its only then they start talking about the faults the game had, and its weird they are usually all EA games. 

i have noticed that as well, they also do it with sony games

[Wompoo]

IsaacShep wrote...

a user blog? lol

You can do so much better to fish for controversy click than a freaking user blog

User blogs are no less credible then a review by so called industry professionals. Who in my opinion are far from honest or reliable and also in my opinion have abandoned ethical writing standards to maintain their advertising revenue. A review, professional or otherwise is just one persons opinion. And professional reviewers opinions are far less credible in many cases. The ending of ME3 sucks harder then a Hoover Vacuum, it is complete and utter trash, insulting trash, from Tim's base to Star child.

I happen to agree with him on many points. Up and until Tim's base I loved the ME3 (excluding the over used time filler that was called the Citadel).

Modifié par Wompoo, 12 janvier 2013 - 03:17 .

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crimzontearz wrote...

http://www.ign.com/b...erly-end-a-game


I am speechless

really, I was not expecting this from IGN.....and I did not think I would ever say this but thank god other people are opening their eyes 

Hey I am Colin Moriarty and I am never wrong and do you know why ? Because even if we both were locked in the same room you are still vocal minority...

[crimzontearz]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

http://www.ign.com/b...erly-end-a-game


I am speechless

really, I was not expecting this from IGN.....and I did not think I would ever say this but thank god other people are opening their eyes 

Hey I am Colin Moriarty and I am never wrong and do you know why ? Because even if we both were locked in the same room you are still vocal minority...

hehehe

[goose2989]

Neato

[Xellith]

If I was ever in the same room as colin.. Id punch him. Just saying.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The main area of hypocrisy that often exists is in saying this was BW's story to tell as they wished and yet not recognizing that they did write a story (a possible story) that one could get that the endings do not fit with.  It also exists in statements made by old Dragoonlordz here who has said he didn't really pay attention to all the pre-release hype so it didn't affect his opinion and didn't ruin his thoughts on the game (didn't see it so it does not matter).  But, he's also said that if there were new or different endings, even optional ones he would never see that he would know they exist and that would ruin his game. 

He also said that people that didn't get an ending they think clearly should have been a part of the game are being selfish to have ever asked for endings they'd be willing to pay for, but it's not selfish to say "I got something I like, so tough luck if you didn't."  I was brought up with a different understanding of both the words, hypocrite and selfish.

Since you are throwing around accusations now I should respond.

Firstly there is nothing hypocritical about not putting much value by me on pre-release hype in way of pre-release comments by Bioware vs myself not wanting certain DLC. The reason as you well know as I have explained is while you want DLC X, I want DLC Y and they will not make both X and Y due to timeframe before they focus on ME4 in full. Optional is not a valid excuse to have something you want because it means someone else won't get what they want in it's place during the development timeframe. You know this already because I have told you many times but yet you continue to apply misinformation in your comments.

Secondly I said it is as selfish to ask for a DLC you feel you want vs a DLC I want and vice versa which I told you applies to both sides of the fence multiple times. Both are selfish actions because there IS a limitation on how much DLC will be created and what is created will please one group and deprive another of what they want. I never once said "but it's not selfish to say -I got something I like, so tough luck if you didn't". This has more to do with it seems yet again you making things up in an effort to play the 'victim card' or gain sympathy for your stance and self by trying to attack another by way of defamation of character.

Lastly it seems to me the way you were brought up "with a different understanding of both the words, hypocrite and selfish" needs attention, because you were taught wrongly. You certainly do not understand what the word hypocrite means and your understanding of the word selfish is dubious at best.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 13 janvier 2013 - 03:31 .