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#76
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dreamgazer wrote...

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given that "good" and "Bad" are subjective neither do you

but then again there are people who LOVE twilight


There are, yes, but that doesn't really matter in this conversation.

The ending to RDR was exceptional. As was the dark, heartbreaking, tear-inducing ending to another certain GOTY contender from 2012. 

and I have every right to consider it unfulfilling and thus not play the game because of it..which is now my mantra

but I am glad you liked it

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It is not an article, it is a personal blog post by a person who doesn't even work for IGN.


From wikipedia:

"An article is a written work published in a print or electronic medium. It may be for the purpose of propagating the news, research results, academic analysis or debate."

A blog is an article.

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crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

given that "good" and "Bad" are subjective neither do you

but then again there are people who LOVE twilight


There are, yes, but that doesn't really matter in this conversation.

The ending to RDR was exceptional. As was the dark, heartbreaking, tear-inducing ending to another certain GOTY contender from 2012. 

and I have every right to consider it unfulfilling and thus not play the game because of it..which is now my mantra

but I am glad you liked it


I did, but that doesn't mean I like Twilight.  ^_^

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3DandBeyond wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

It is not an article, it is a personal blog post by a person who doesn't even work for IGN.


From wikipedia:

"An article is a written work published in a print or electronic medium. It may be for the purpose of propagating the news, research results, academic analysis or debate."

A blog is an article.


Very much so.

However, there's an official capacity to "articles" above blog entries, being that it goes through an editor and carries the branding of the publication---thus, by extension, representing at least a portion of the viewpoint of said publication. 

The blog entry is a solid read, but it's not an article designated by IGN.

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soooo you advocate shutting off your brain and listening only to author intention? or do I have to point you to the picture of the explosion and the direct statement that they wanted the scene to be open ended?

by your OWN COIN that is laziness


Yes.  The ending is terrible, for many reasons (though I think the breath scene is the LEAST of the ending's issues).  You're mistaking me for someone who is defending it, it would seem.

Modifié par chemiclord, 08 janvier 2013 - 10:36 .


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The only thing better than this article is the article's comments. It's good to see.

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chemiclord wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

soooo you advocate shutting off your brain and listening only to author intention? or do I have to point you to the picture of the explosion and the direct statement that they wanted the scene to be open ended?

by your OWN COIN that is laziness


Yes.  The ending is terrible, for many reasons (though I think the breath scene is the LEAST of the ending's issues).  You're mistaking me for someone who is defending it, it would seem.

no no...just saying it follows under rule 1

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"This problem is even further amplified by all that ruckus the fans have made over the ending of ‘Mass Effect 3′. On that note, I would have to agree. A franchise that puts such a big emphasis on choices throughout its iterations to just end with three damn, very similar, outcomes, is a middle finger to all the hours invested in the games. Don’t think you’re up to it? No problem at all! Just don’t go promising fans the moon if you’re not ready to deliver it."

Thank you man on the internet.

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LucasShark wrote...

"This problem is even further amplified by all that ruckus the fans have made over the ending of ‘Mass Effect 3′. On that note, I would have to agree. A franchise that puts such a big emphasis on choices throughout its iterations to just end with three damn, very similar, outcomes, is a middle finger to all the hours invested in the games. Don’t think you’re up to it? No problem at all! Just don’t go promising fans the moon if you’re not ready to deliver it."

Thank you man on the internet.

but you know.....75 perfect reviews -headdesk-

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JadeShepard wrote...

The only thing better than this article is the article's comments. It's good to see.

indubitably

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crimzontearz wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

"This problem is even further amplified by all that ruckus the fans have made over the ending of ‘Mass Effect 3′. On that note, I would have to agree. A franchise that puts such a big emphasis on choices throughout its iterations to just end with three damn, very similar, outcomes, is a middle finger to all the hours invested in the games. Don’t think you’re up to it? No problem at all! Just don’t go promising fans the moon if you’re not ready to deliver it."

Thank you man on the internet.

but you know.....75 perfect reviews -headdesk-


Don't worry: there's probably 75 non-perfect reviews out there, too.

For contrast, look at the reviews for The Dark Knight Rises, and the number of blog entries and discussions about the problems with the movie's writing, logic and ending.  Do the same with Avatar, too. Or, specifically, something you personally like.

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dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

"This problem is even further amplified by all that ruckus the fans have made over the ending of ‘Mass Effect 3′. On that note, I would have to agree. A franchise that puts such a big emphasis on choices throughout its iterations to just end with three damn, very similar, outcomes, is a middle finger to all the hours invested in the games. Don’t think you’re up to it? No problem at all! Just don’t go promising fans the moon if you’re not ready to deliver it."

Thank you man on the internet.

but you know.....75 perfect reviews -headdesk-


Don't worry: there's probably 75 non-perfect reviews out there, too.

For contrast, look at the reviews for The Dark Knight Rises, and the number of blog entries and discussions about the problems with the movie's writing, logic and ending.  Do the same with Avatar, too. Or, specifically, something you personally like.

not the point, I am not mocking the line in its principle I am mocking the way it was used

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crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

"This problem is even further amplified by all that ruckus the fans have made over the ending of ‘Mass Effect 3′. On that note, I would have to agree. A franchise that puts such a big emphasis on choices throughout its iterations to just end with three damn, very similar, outcomes, is a middle finger to all the hours invested in the games. Don’t think you’re up to it? No problem at all! Just don’t go promising fans the moon if you’re not ready to deliver it."

Thank you man on the internet.

but you know.....75 perfect reviews -headdesk-


Don't worry: there's probably 75 non-perfect reviews out there, too.

For contrast, look at the reviews for The Dark Knight Rises, and the number of blog entries and discussions about the problems with the movie's writing, logic and ending.  Do the same with Avatar, too. Or, specifically, something you personally like.

not the point, I am not mocking the line in its principle I am mocking the way it was used


Yeah, I know. 

Image IPB

It happens.

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lol that very scene that they are using is a ridiculous event.

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Sorry double posted an edit below

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:52 .


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It's a user blog, you can no more bash IGN for it than I can bash Bioware for anything you say on here.

As for your comment about "IGN published it", you clearly don't know how IGN blogs even work.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:48 .


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what bothers me about that poster is why is there a house that is in the water? The angle of the bridge it should be underwater right?

edit: I love this www.youtube.com/watch EEP! forgot spoilers in that!

sorry for the off topic

No matter how much you love something there will always be somebody who hates it. woo back semi-on topic. :happy:


...and..I meant to edit that :crying:

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 08 janvier 2013 - 11:51 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

"This problem is even further amplified by all that ruckus the fans have made over the ending of ‘Mass Effect 3′. On that note, I would have to agree. A franchise that puts such a big emphasis on choices throughout its iterations to just end with three damn, very similar, outcomes, is a middle finger to all the hours invested in the games. Don’t think you’re up to it? No problem at all! Just don’t go promising fans the moon if you’re not ready to deliver it."

Thank you man on the internet.

but you know.....75 perfect reviews -headdesk-


Don't worry: there's probably 75 non-perfect reviews out there, too.

For contrast, look at the reviews for The Dark Knight Rises, and the number of blog entries and discussions about the problems with the movie's writing, logic and ending.  Do the same with Avatar, too. Or, specifically, something you personally like.

not the point, I am not mocking the line in its principle I am mocking the way it was used


Yeah, I know. 

Image IPB

It happens.

I did not like Nolan's take on the batman after the first one

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http://tvtropes.org/...in/GainaxEnding

Seriously, you Mass Effect fans think your ending sucked? Try being a fan of Neon Genesis Evangelion, then come back to me about terrible endings. Oh, and the "extended cut" of that series, End of Evangelion? You think the refusal ending was a middle finger to the fanbase, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet. If refuse was a middle finger, EoE was a full-on violent rape to the fanbase. It makes refuse and the ME endings look like the best endings of all time in comparison.

Thank goodness for the MEHEM equivalent for Evangelion, which is the fan written ending taking place after (and sort of during) EoE. It's actually a manga, that is several chapters, and the artist who did it was so good at replicating the artwork of the real manga that it's almost hard to believe that it's unofficial. There are sex scenes though, very tastefully done though, and there is an "all ages" version that doesn't include them. I think the adult version is better though, those scenes actually have good dialogue and add to the plot. Still, either version works. The name of it is "Evangelion RE-take".


Bottom line, Evangelion actually mirrors ME quite a bit. Both had an original ending that was just stupid nonsense, both had a new ending added because of criticism that pretty much gives a middle finger, and both had a fan made redoing of the endings that make things end on a much better note then any of the official stuff. Difference is, Evangelion's nonsense original ending is worse then Mass Effect's, and the extended cut equivalent is a much bigger middle finger then the refusal ending could ever dream to be. It's like ME3's ending made several times worse. Thankfully, RE-take's ending makes it all better and makes you think back on the series fondly instead of with sadness and rage.

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andy69156915 wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...in/GainaxEnding

Seriously, you Mass Effect fans think your ending sucked? Try being a fan of Neon Genesis Evangelion, then come back to me about terrible endings. Oh, and the "extended cut" of that series, End of Evangelion? You think the refusal ending was a middle finger to the fanbase, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet. If refuse was a middle finger, EoE was a full-on violent rape to the fanbase. It makes refuse and the ME endings look like the best endings of all time in comparison.

Thank goodness for the MEHEM equivalent for Evangelion, which is the fan written ending taking place after (and sort of during) EoE. It's actually a manga, that is several chapters, and the artist who did it was so good at replicating the artwork of the real manga that it's almost hard to believe that it's unofficial. There are sex scenes though, very tastefully done though, and there is an "all ages" version that doesn't include them. I think the adult version is better though, those scenes actually have good dialogue and add to the plot. Still, either version works. The name of it is "Evangelion RE-take".


Bottom line, Evangelion actually mirrors ME quite a bit. Both had an original ending that was just stupid nonsense, both had a new ending added because of criticism that pretty much gives a middle finger, and both had a fan made redoing of the endings that make things end on a much better note then any of the official stuff. Difference is, Evangelion's nonsense original ending is worse then Mass Effect's, and the extended cut equivalent is a much bigger middle finger then the refusal ending could ever dream to be. It's like ME3's ending made several times worse. Thankfully, RE-take's ending makes it all better and makes you think back on the series fondly instead of with sadness and rage.

right well.....I do not trust the japanese

((aside for LiaraShield))

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crimzontearz wrote...

eduardogranja wrote...

Talking about game endings, ME3, specially with EC, in far from how awful AC3 ending is...

not that far

and yet to me twice as aggravating especially after the "It's up to you" middle finger

and yes it IS a middle finger


Nope its a double middle finger from both hands. Its bloody hell so far from what we expected and Shepard deserved. Especially the damn Buy more dlc screen. 

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Thinking about it, that series is probably why I got over ME3's ending so quickly and why and why I'm so annoyed with people that still haven't gotten over it. After Evangelion, ME3's ending was nothing more then a warm spring breeze in comparison. It gave me a super strong tolerance for endings that will make a fan get super upset. After EoE, no ending phases me anymore. I'd probably be acting like most people on this board do about ME3 in regards to Evangelion if I hadn't found RE-take, which allowed the wounds left by EoE to heal and let me finally move on and accept how that series ended.

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crimzontearz wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

soooo you advocate shutting off your brain and listening only to author intention? or do I have to point you to the picture of the explosion and the direct statement that they wanted the scene to be open ended?

by your OWN COIN that is laziness


Yes.  The ending is terrible, for many reasons (though I think the breath scene is the LEAST of the ending's issues).  You're mistaking me for someone who is defending it, it would seem.

no no...just saying it follows under rule 1


Not really.

The "breath scene" sets out what it was intended to do, demonstrate that Shepard survived.  It demonstrates and ties that intent closed... barely, but it does.  The only way it's ambiguous and unclear is if you want it to be for the sake of being contrary.

Modifié par chemiclord, 09 janvier 2013 - 12:15 .


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andy69156915 wrote...

Thinking about it, that series is probably why I got over ME3's ending so quickly and why and why I'm so annoyed with people that still haven't gotten over it. After Evangelion, ME3's ending was nothing more then a warm spring breeze in comparison. It gave me a super strong tolerance for endings that will make a fan get super upset. After EoE, no ending phases me anymore. I'd probably be acting like most people on this board do about ME3 in regards to Evangelion if I hadn't found RE-take, which allowed the wounds left by EoE to heal and let me finally move on and accept how that series ended.


Try being a Homestuck fan. Your favorite characters die on a regular basis ! :P

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* snip *

Not really.

The "breath scene" sets out what it was intended to do, demonstrate that Shepard survived.  It demonstrates and ties that intent closed... barely, but it does.  The only way it's ambiguous and unclear is if you want it to be for the sake of being contrary.

Or if you listen to the stupid Bioware writer that declared this was Sheppard's last breath, at PAX