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[LobselVith8]

Plaintiff wrote...

What the original Inquisition did is irrelevent. Sharing a name does not make two organisations in any way similar.

People are simply speculating at this point. The new Inquisition may be radically different than the original, but that only calls into question why this current organization would be named after the proto-templar group that hunted down mages and heretics.

[Zardoc]

A craftworld of young Eldar, that do not remember much of the past, do not have any big history recordings and live "deceived" in a way

So essentially complete whack.

[Althix]

KainD wrote...
There you go. 

teen craft world for teens?
You do understand i hope, that this idea of yours is a Fall of Eldar in minituare right?

Modifié par secretsandlies, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:53 .

[KainD]

Zardoc wrote...

A craftworld of young Eldar, that do not remember much of the past, do not have any big history recordings and live "deceived" in a way

So essentially complete whack.

You can think of ways how that could have happened, it's not that hard to justify. You never know what could have happened to one particular craftworld to leave it in such a state. 

We just brainstormed chaos Eldar, and this is a way that it could be lore friendly. 

[Althix]

no. it is not.

understand this - single hive of humans will provide a lot more to any given Chaos God than a single craftworld of delicious eldars.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:56 .

[KainD]

secretsandlies wrote...

no. it is not.

understand this - single hive of humans will provide a lot more to any given Chaos God that a single craftworld of delicious eldars.

Why not both? Chaos Gods always want more and more. How do Slaanesh worshipping cults have any relevance to this craftworld? 

Modifié par KainD, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:59 .

[Althix]

Dark Eldars do not worship Slaanesh, and those guys have some experience in pain and pleasure. Never asked your self why?

[KainD]

secretsandlies wrote...

Dark Eldars do not worship Slaanesh, and those guys have some experience in pain and pleasure. Never asked your self why?

You don't get it. 

Eldar and Dark Eldar fear Slaanesh and do not want to be consumed by her, and believe that that is the worst fate. These chaos Eldar WANT to be consumed and think that it is endless bliss. I am not saying they are right, they might be devoured in an agony after their death. But this is not about that, it is about what they BELIEVE. 

[Zardoc]

KainD wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

A craftworld of young Eldar, that do not remember much of the past, do not have any big history recordings and live "deceived" in a way

So essentially complete whack.

You can think of ways how that could have happened, it's not that hard to justify. You never know what could have happened to one particular craftworld to leave it in such a state. 

We just brainstormed chaos Eldar, and this is a way that it could be lore friendly. 

No. Craftworlds loyal to Chaos (and Slaanesh, of all gods) break the lore pretty hard, considering the Craftworld Eldar were the only ones who saw the Fall coming and ran before it was too late. A Craftworld without any lore keepers and Farseers is even more whack.

KainD wrote...

secretsandlies wrote...

Dark Eldars do not worship Slaanesh, and those guys have some experience in pain and pleasure. Never asked your self why?

You don't get it. 

Eldar and Dark Eldar fear Slaanesh and do not want to be consumed by her, and believe that that is the worst fate. These chaos Eldar WANT to be consumed and think that it is endless bliss. I am not saying they are right, they might be devoured in an agony after their death. But this is not about that, it is about what they BELIEVE. 

The Eldar that want to be consumed ARE Slaanesh. They all died in the Fall. Your "Chaos Eldar" are the reason the Eldar Empire fell and Slaanesh was born in the first place. Any and all Eldar alive in the 41 millenium fear Slaanesh.

Modifié par Zardoc, 10 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[KainD]

Zardoc wrote...

No. Craftworlds loyal to Chaos (and Slaanesh, of all gods) break the lore pretty hard, considering the Craftworld Eldar were the only ones who saw the Fall coming and ran before it was too late. A Craftworld without any lore keepers and Farseers is even more whack.

How does a craftworld of pretty much fallen, doomed eldar ( by other eldar standards ), that do not even know of their comming doom brake the lore? Why couldn't this have happened? 
On top of that it fits the grim dark theme of lore. 

[Althix]

Is Matt Ward one of the authors of this idea?

"chaos eldars" were consumed when Slaanesh is born. And their existence is not possible.

[KainD]

Zardoc wrote...

The Eldar that want to be consumed ARE Slaanesh. They all died in the Fall. Your "Chaos Eldar" are the reason the Eldar Empire fell and Slaanesh was born in the first place. Any and all Eldar alive in the 41 millenium fear Slaanesh.

No you are wrong, now you are just blantly contradicting codex. Codex states that the most powerful and old chaos champions of Slaanesh are Eldar. And there are Eldar still alive on the Krone worlds. This is codex man, you can't argue here sorry. 

The only difference is the eldar I am talking about are functioning as a society for a steady supply of new born eldar as souls to be given to Slaanesh. 

[Althix]

maybe you will name a codex?

[KainD]

secretsandlies wrote...

maybe you will name a codex?

I remember reading in a few places actually. Here's one example: 

"As the Eldar vices grew, this collection did as well, until it eventually came into a life of its own. It finally came to consciousness as Slaanesh, Devourer of Souls and doom to the Eldar, for the psychic scream of its birth tore the souls from all the Eldar within a thousand light years of it. Its awakening was so forceful that it tore a hole between physical space and the Warp, plunging the Eldar homeworlds into a limbo of partial existence. This region is now known as the Eye of Terror, and is now the home of the forces of Chaos. Many Eldar survived the Fall and remain trapped within the Eye on the homeworlds of the Eldar, the Crone World, and are enslaved to Slaanesh."

taken from here: http://wh40k.lexican...ar#.UO8G3W9JOdU

Modifié par KainD, 10 janvier 2013 - 06:24 .

[Althix]

I was asking about champions of Slaanesh. But anyway, so those eldars who trapped inside the Eye is a base of your idea?

[KainD]

secretsandlies wrote...

I was asking about champions of Slaanesh. But anyway, so those eldars who trapped inside the Eye is a base of your idea?

There was a time when I reaserched this a lot, reading all sorts of things for hours, but I don't remember any exact champions sry. 

At first I just thought how awesome psykers Eldar could be if they didn't limit themselves to hide from Slaanesh, and then I found that there are actually powerful Slaanesh Eldar. 

But then I wanted to think of a more appealing and not one sided faction, and discussed it with many Warhammer fans, and basically though of a craftworld of eldar that are not mindless ugly bloodthursty demons, but that are friendly to each other, are naive, good looking and can experience things like love, but still are twisted and torture, inslave and kill members of other factions, and end their lives being consumed by Slaanesh, when they think they are basically going to heaven. Just an interesting, imo fitting the grim lore concept.  

[Althix]

Also sunshine and butterflies.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

secretsandlies wrote...

Eldar and Slaanesh.... you know something is wrong here. one excludes the other i think.

Its like when you herd chickens - you like them, care for them, and then you eat them.  Its almost... love.

[KainD]

secretsandlies wrote...

Also sunshine and butterflies.

Depends on how you look at it. It's like a bunch of kids going to a gas chamber following a trail of candies. 

[KainD]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

secretsandlies wrote...

Eldar and Slaanesh.... you know something is wrong here. one excludes the other i think.

Its like when you herd chickens - you like them, care for them, and then you eat them.  Its almost... love.

Pretty much. 

[Althix]

yeah chickens are better than rabbits. I had rabbits once, never again.

[AlienWolf728]

All jokes aside, I actually wouldn't mind an option to say "screw it, your petty bickering has left you all beyond redemption" and slaughter both mages and templars; perhaps towards the end of the game.

MAGE AND TEMPLAR FILTH, YOU WILL ALL BREAK UNDER THE MIGHT OF THE IMPERIU- I MEAN THE INQUISITOR!

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 11 janvier 2013 - 06:53 .

[TheJediSaint]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

secretsandlies wrote...

Eldar and Slaanesh.... you know something is wrong here. one excludes the other i think.

Its like when you herd chickens - you like them, care for them, and then you eat them.  Its almost... love.

That sound's more like Nurgle than Saanesh, to be honest.