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[Bob Garbage]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Bob Garbage wrote...

Those who need instant gratification are the reasons for the over polished, glossy nature of EAware games now. The Witcher 2 is a very good game and reminds me of why I got into games in the first place.

It doesn't have anything to do with instant gratification for me. I just don't feel as drawn in as I do in other games, and I simply don't feel as engaged in it.

Could have something to do with playing 3% of the game.

[Denethar]

I've read the Witcher vs ME debate and to me they are just too different to compare. Witcher is so much politics, shades of grey, and a world that is more complicated than your average course in college. Mass Effect is a fairly straightforward we vs them story with good/evil and all that.

[insomniac13]

So it'll take place AFTER "Earth", right? Anything before that would just be needless filler.

[archangel1996]

double

Modifié par archangel1996, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:04 .

[archangel1996]

Yeah, TW2 sucks
CD projekt red just built two different stories in one single game, and when the fans asked for more closure(and again TW is just the 2nd of the story so CD could just say you will see trollface) CD made a DLC that added many different satisfying outcomes, and Geralt is not badass at all, especially if you read the books before playing TW
BW made one resetted story, with 3 outcomes, that pissed off many fans, and when the fans asked they made the Extended Crap, that explains why crap is crap..... and then the perfect pair autodialogues and Renegade/freak, Paragon/crybaby clearly made Shep very badass in ME3
EAware rules

Modifié par archangel1996, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:04 .

[archangel1996]

insomniac13 wrote...

So it'll take place AFTER "Earth", right? Anything before that would just be needless filler.

what is wrong with u, bro? More war assets

Modifié par archangel1996, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:05 .

[CronoDragoon]

Bob Garbage wrote...

Those who need instant gratification are the reasons for the over polished, glossy nature of EAware games now. The Witcher 2 is a very good game and reminds me of why I got into games in the first place.

You realize that the Witcher 2 exposits its backstory in interactive-comic like scenes while fully rendering multiple pointless sex scenes of vital plot importance, such as one with a hoofed succubus you meet during a side-quest? Let's not warp the comparison by ignoring the Witcher 2's storytelling flaws while praising its pluses (good dialogue, branching story). It's as hedonistic as Mass Effect, possibly more so.

Let's also not forget that the gameplay was bad enough to constitute something of a rework over time, which while demonstrating Red's devotion to the game also highlights the flaws.

I really liked the Witcher 2 overall but it's no messiah. If you want a true messiah to the AAA millions-of-dollars flashy path that most relevant videogames now trek, the answer is Journey.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:22 .

[ryn_wolf]

it would be nice to be a post ending dlc that way the ending stay as it is and bioware can stick to they are'nt going to change the ending but we the fans get a dlc that can take place after priority earth possibly involving trying to find shepard after the citadel explodes and you take on the role of your LI i would enjoy that.

[JPR1964]

I hope nothing... Just curious...

JPR out!

[The Heretic of Time]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The story in The Witcher 2 is one of the best stories in video-games I've ever seen, but I think you need to know at least a thing or two about the world of The Witcher (from either the previous game or the books) to fully appreciate and understand it.

If go in and start with The Witcher 2 completely unprepared, the whole experience might be a bit overwhelming and perhaps even confusing. It might be harder to connect with the story and the setting.

Is this what you experienced?

The entire backstory of the Witcher 2 is presented in a confusing manner, and the Witcher 1 doesn't really help you there. It must be something in the books.

Confusing? I don't see what's so confusing about it. But I guess anything story with a little depth and background is "confusing" these days. I guess that's why EAware turned ME3 into a shallow blockbuster game with shallow straight-foward pulp-shlock writing. Otherwise the kids who play their games become confused.

I installed the Enhanced Edition updates but didn't play much through a second time. Out of curiosity: do the updates help at all making sense of the backstory or why it is important?

No, because the backstory is already clear as day as it is. But the Enhanced Edition does add some extra cutscenes with Dandelion narrating over it. It does clear some things up for those who are unfamilliar to The Witcher I gues...

Regardless, the Witcher 2 has a good story, though I find it overrated these days, especially when people hold it up to some great standard as a way of dissing ME3.

Overrated? Maybe. But there is nothing wrong with holding The Witcher 2 up as a standard to criticize ME3. The Witcher 2 did what ME3 tried to do, and where ME3 failed, TW2 succeeded.

[The Heretic of Time]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Let's also not forget that the gameplay of The Witcher 2 was bad enough to constitute something of a rework over time, which while demonstrating Red's devotion to the game also highlights the flaws.

Bulls***. The gameplay in TW2 was very well done, though it could indeed be improved.

CD Projekt RED made the Enhanced Edition not because they HAD to, but because they WANTED to. It was not so much of a "fix" as it was a labor of love. CD Projekt RED realizes more than any other developer that "art is never finished, it's just abandoned by the artist".

I wish more developers had that particular mindset, instead of the "artistic integrity" bullcrap mindset.

[MattFini]

Just completed the Witcher 2 for the first time before Christmas and I thought it was fantastic.

A little slow to start and hard to understand at first, but I stuck with it and really got into the politically driven story.

Personally speaking, I became an instant fan of CPR and can't wait for their next game (be it W3 or CP 2077).

While I still prefer BioWare overall, I think The Witcher 2 is a better game than Mass Effect 3.

(Still rank the first two MEs higher than just about anything else ever made, however)

[HiddenInWar]

Just my mini-wish list:

1. No cerberus

2. No more war assets (we already have damn well enough. Stir the pot a little bit).

[archangel1996]

john_sheparrd wrote...

^ this
I really don't understand why people who hate mass effect 3's ending are still here do you have nothing better to do in your life??

Yes, i think i talk for everyone when i say that, a part from ME, i have nothing else, nothing else at all
I am so lonesome!!!!!
.......
........
:lol:Seriously, if you want to ****** off people never ever go with the classics, too predictable

Modifié par archangel1996, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:36 .

[Seboist]

magnetite wrote...

Arcian wrote...
You're absolutely right.  

A huge disappointment.

People who buy games and stick around on the forums just to complain about them I don't really understand. Why not just move on with your life already? Bioware has made their intentions clear. The Extended Cut was their compromise.

Most logical people don't stick around for almost a year, they move on and they play games they do enjoy instead of going on about the ones that didn't turn out as they wanted to. 

Because it's entertaining, what's hard to grasp about that? Negativity in general is usually more fun than the positive, that's why people would prefer to watch a video of a car crash than of someone safely driving somewhere.

Well, I'm speaking for myself here, some of Bioware's more mentally unhinged fans simply can't accept that their juvenile power trip came to an end and their inability to crack open a bud lite with space waifu/manfu at the beach in the ending.

Modifié par Seboist, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:39 .

[archangel1996]

Seboist wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Arcian wrote...
You're absolutely right.  

A huge disappointment.

People who buy games and stick around on the forums just to complain about them I don't really understand. Why not just move on with your life already? Bioware has made their intentions clear. The Extended Cut was their compromise.

Most logical people don't stick around for almost a year, they move on and they play games they do enjoy instead of going on about the ones that didn't turn out as they wanted to. 

Because it's entertaining, what's hard to grasp about that? Negativity in general is usually more fun than the positive, that's why people would prefer to watch a video of a car crash than of someone safely driving somewhere.

Uh?......I can't find a proper anwer to this, why?

Modifié par archangel1996, 18 janvier 2013 - 12:44 .

[ME859]

What I want to know is was the new DLC already written? I mean they released that it was all hands on deck with 8 writers working together at the same time Seth Green and a couple other VA's thanked the Voice Director for their recent sessions. Obviously what would be the point of recording something when the script wasn't written?

[Morty Smith]

I think it will complete the "hot-space-potato" trinitiy that was started with leviathan.

[DangerSandler]

Cry from how bad it'll be. I haven't bought any of the ME3 DLC - I've just watched playthroughs of it on youtube. You know why? Because it's mediocre and lazy.

[ME859]

DangerSandler wrote...

Cry from how bad it'll be. I haven't bought any of the ME3 DLC - I've just watched playthroughs of it on youtube. You know why? Because it's mediocre and lazy.

I wouldn't say that.  In fact I have little doubts that the team has worked their butt off on this title.  With that said it feels to me like the higher ups equate hard work with a great product.  IE "we worked hard on it so it must be awesome."  Still I do expect another mediocre filler mission that would have been more then welcome had the EC or original endings not been so 'meh.'

Thats the funniest thing, Leviathan, Omega, and this upcoming DLC all would have been received with minimal complaints had it not been for the ending controversey.  However until the ending gets above the 'meh' level it will be hard for many people to focus on anything else.  The ending controversy is also a big part of the reason other warts in the game got close looks.  

Right now if ME3 went as planned the thing most people would be fighting over would be the ME2 romance options, instead almost a year later it's still the endings.  

[Revthejedi]

john_sheparrd wrote...

^ this
I really don't understand why people who hate mass effect 3's ending are still here do you have nothing better to do in your life??

It's what happens when you love the series but hate ME3. 

[Clayless]

Revthejedi wrote...

john_sheparrd wrote...

^ this
I really don't understand why people who hate mass effect 3's ending are still here do you have nothing better to do in your life??

It's what happens when you love the series but hate ME3. 

Why don't you go to the ME2 and 1 section then?

[CronoDragoon]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Confusing? I don't see what's so confusing about it. But I guess anything story with a little depth and background is "confusing" these days. I guess that's why EAware turned ME3 into a shallow blockbuster game with shallow straight-foward pulp-shlock writing. Otherwise the kids who play their games become confused.

Oh, please. Oh no, someone doesn't understand the backstory to your pet little series, they must be an idiot. Has it ever ocurred to you that possibly the problem is precisely that the Witcher 2 has very LITTLE background and depth in the actual game? No, of course not, Mr. Read-all-the-books.

The backstory is presented in disjointed little chunks that do little to explain what is going on or why we should care. Furthermore, I have no idea why you are taking such an obviously defensive tone when all I did was ask honest questions about what I found to be faults in the game's story as it pertains to the Enhanced Edition. Now I suppose I don't care again, similar to the seconds after every exposition scene in the Witcher 2. The Saskia storyline being told present-day in the game was good, though.

No, because the backstory is already clear as day as it is. But the Enhanced Edition does add some extra cutscenes with Dandelion narrating over it. It does clear some things up for those who are unfamilliar to The Witcher I gues...

The backstory is clear as day to those who are well acquainted with all aspects of the Witcher universe. Got it. For those of us who have only played the games, there are some scenes that give context to what is presented in game.

Good.

Overrated? Maybe. But there is nothing wrong with holding The Witcher 2 up as a standard to criticize ME3. The Witcher 2 did what ME3 tried to do, and where ME3 failed, TW2 succeeded.

There's nothing wrong with that as long as you are as honest about what TW2 is and isn't, just like we should be about ME3. Saying the Witcher 2 succeeded wherever ME3 failed is dishonest at best, wrong at worst. The main facet in which TW2 trumps ME3 is the degree to which a noticeably shorter story allows stronger story deviation based on your choices. Of course, TW2 also has the advantage of not bothering to follow choices from the first game. I wonder how pissed people would have been if at the beginning of ME3 everyone's LI became Liara.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 18 janvier 2013 - 05:59 .