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[sympathy4sarenreturns]

I have to agree with the poster who said Mass Effect 3 was the biggest disappointment of this era in all of media or entertainment. Well said, sir. Surely and truly nothing will ever come close.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 10 janvier 2013 - 07:06 .

[FlamingBoy]

addiction21 wrote...


Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

And its no hypothetical since this is a thread discussing Mr. Gaiders response about the toxic atmosphere here and all to many use the excuse of "I paid for it so I can be a jerk" excuse.

 The first statement is a fustrating perspective of the implication, that I cannot complain about something simply because its a "luxury item". No product that being a staple or "luxury" is above this. Also to state that its not that much, once again, is supremely arrogant simply because of the assumption of peoples financial situation.

as for the hypothetical argument, well it is hypothetical because gaiders provides no example, while he is probably telling the truth about his experiences. You or I have no experience in his head hence arguing or to even bring it up is hypothetical and a non-argument.

[duckley]

Respect

[Paul Sedgmore]

FlamingBoy wrote...

addiction21 wrote...


Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

And its no hypothetical since this is a thread discussing Mr. Gaiders response about the toxic atmosphere here and all to many use the excuse of "I paid for it so I can be a jerk" excuse.

 The first statement is a fustrating perspective of the implication, that I cannot complain about something simply because its a "luxury item". No product that being a staple or "luxury" is above this. Also to state that its not that much, once again, is supremely arrogant simply because of the assumption of peoples financial situation.

as for the hypothetical argument, well it is hypothetical because gaiders provides no example, while he is probably telling the truth about his experiences. You or I have no experience in his head hence arguing or to even bring it up is hypothetical and a non-argument.

At no point has anyone said you can't complain about the games David is commenting on how said complaints are being voiced on these forums makes it a place he doesn't want to visit

[addiction21]

I never said anything or even implied in anyway that you could not complain because it is a luxury item. That is all you.

I also do not need to be in his head because I have been in those and many other threads to see it for my own eyes. Its not a hypothetical anything. It is reality.

[Neoleviathan]

Eh, well I hope no one at Bioware is feeling too down over negativity & everything. This is quite normal I think, Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate... Pick any popular & well loved series & you'll find moments of intense backlash & disapointment. Its the other side of a coin to the kind if deal you get like with fan movements resurecting Jericho for example. Stargate really endured some hard abuse after Atlantis cancellation & the intitial run of SGU, I remember how heated it could get at Gateworld & other sites at times. I think things will be easier once DA3 comes out, then people will have something new to get their minds on.

[eromelcm7]

Rawgrim wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

art isn't defined by popularity hell some of the greatest artist of all time weren't recognised as such until long after their deaths

I draw something, using crayon...actually i just draw rubbish, then i stuff it into a lock box...1000 yeras later an archaeologist dug up my house and found the lock box, see my drawing...it become the most popular art in the museum..."painted by a person named Nizaris"...everybody look in awe....

well...let see if DA2 become the most valuable art praised by peoples 1000 years later from now...

You are forgetting that art requires some sort of...you know...talent, as well.

[FlamingBoy]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

addiction21 wrote...


Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

And its no hypothetical since this is a thread discussing Mr. Gaiders response about the toxic atmosphere here and all to many use the excuse of "I paid for it so I can be a jerk" excuse.

 The first statement is a fustrating perspective of the implication, that I cannot complain about something simply because its a "luxury item". No product that being a staple or "luxury" is above this. Also to state that its not that much, once again, is supremely arrogant simply because of the assumption of peoples financial situation.

as for the hypothetical argument, well it is hypothetical because gaiders provides no example, while he is probably telling the truth about his experiences. You or I have no experience in his head hence arguing or to even bring it up is hypothetical and a non-argument.

At no point has anyone said you can't complain about the games David is commenting on how said complaints are being voiced on these forums makes it a place he doesn't want to visit

read my statement, the word I used near the beginning of the paragraph is "implication"

[Rawgrim]

Nizaris1 wrote...

You are forgetting that art requires some sort of...you know...talent, as well.

of course art is not defined democratically, but when it is recognized, it is democratically

like the example of my crayon drawing...guys now will say it is suck, majority say that, but 1000 years later, majority say it is a valuable art...

majority win...that is art

like i mentioned earlier, we can make something we like, we can do that, but for BUSINESS that is bad

we now talking business....an artist cannot sold, then it is bad...an artist must become like politician

If you want your so called art to become popular 1000 years later, then go on...but you must FEED, you must pay bills, you must give money to your children....

as i said, i am a part time musician...

If someone finds scriblings that are 1000 years old, and still intact, they would be regarded as a historical artifact, not art. classified as, anyway.

Most artist don`t rely on their art as their main source of income either. Like you, its part time. Tolkien worked as an english professor. Writing the Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings was something he did in his spare time. He never ever expected to make money on it. Stories like that wern`t extremely popular at the time they got published either.

[FlamingBoy]

addiction21 wrote...

I never said anything or even implied in anyway that you could not complain because it is a luxury item. That is all you.

I also do not need to be in his head because I have been in those and many other threads to see it for my own eyes. Its not a hypothetical anything. It is reality.

I used the word "implication" of your statement

then provide an example and then we can debate it (I know they exist 2), otherwise its general and a waste of all our times

[Rawgrim]

Nizaris1 wrote...

If someone finds scriblings that are 1000 years old, and still intact, they would be regarded as a historical artifact, not art. classified as, anyway.

lols, i don't want to comment here

Most artist don`t rely on their art as their main source of income either. Like you, its part time. Tolkien worked as an english professor. Writing the Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings was something he did in his spare time. He never ever expected to make money on it. Stories like that wern`t extremely popular at the time they got published either.

It is because reality suck, that is why most artists get in business else where, even in my own country, even me.

Like i mentioned, if you want to make something that is recognized after you dead, then go on...but reality is you must eat, you must pay bills, you must take care your family...

people talk about art as if it is something, actually art is nothing....

art is an art when people love love it

8 years old crayon drawing is an art...but can it be sold?

Well I am thinking we should keep this discussion for another place. Its very off topic anyway. No matter how interesting it is.

[eromelcm7]

edit: nvm

Modifié par eromelcm7, 10 janvier 2013 - 07:26 .

[XX-Pyro]

Nizaris1 wrote...

it is on topic

Gaider and Bioware react unprofessionally...

You can only act professionally for so long before people making the same complaints or attacks force you to just avoid them. I don't think it's his job to come on the forums and discuss his writings with us- that was our privelage. We lost it. 

I'm not saying people can't complain or critizice (constructively,) that's how improvements are made. But trading insults and the other toxicity here does ruin the atmosphere. I enjoy reading and participating in debates on people's (and often my own) opinions, because it helps me see the games from a different angle or perhaps consider something I hadn't before- that doesn't mean that when I find something I don't like (for example the re-used maps in DA2 make me want to scream) I make fifty threads about it and PM the design team that they should be fired.

[Icesong]

addiction21 wrote...

Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

You're right, it's not much money because it's a luxury and you don't need it to survive. Also, no one threatened to kill you so how expensive could it really be?

[Rawgrim]

Nizaris1 wrote...

it is not argument about art, it is about David Gaider

Its not an argument either, its a discussion

[Rawgrim]

Icesong wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

You're right, it's not much money because it's a luxury and you don't need it to survive. Also, no one threatened to kill you so how expensive could it really be?

Quite right. And if you can afford video games, and something to play them on you are alot better off than 90 percent of the world.

[RukiaKuchki]

FlamingBoy wrote...

....I cannot complain about something simply because its a "luxury item". No product that being a staple or "luxury" is above this. 

No one has ever said people can't complain about anything, you misinterpret. Misinterpretation is a key element of the BSN, wherby a lot of people see and twist any and every comment from the deveopers (or indeed those with a view different from their own) into something incendiary, offensive and personal. Bizarrely, the community on the forums also see the absence of comments from the developers as incendiary, offensive and personal. The fact is, your opinion (and mine) is not precious, it does not necesarily represent a majority (it is personal), and it is not always worthy of attention ('worthiness' is, of course, hugely subjective). Bioware are not obligated to you in any way whatsoever. What I see here every day is people over-personalising their 'relationship' with Bioware. We like to think that because we have puchased something, we have control on the creative process behind it. No, we don't, it's minimal at best. They do something we can't do, they create a product we can't provide ourselves. The only power you have, and the only power you have ever really had, is the power of where you spend your money. Screaming 'listen to me, do what I want or I'll take my money elsewhere' makes you look like a baffoon.

Modifié par RukiaKuchki, 10 janvier 2013 - 07:28 .

[FlamingBoy]

Rawgrim wrote...

Icesong wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

You're right, it's not much money because it's a luxury and you don't need it to survive. Also, no one threatened to kill you so how expensive could it really be?

Quite right. And if you can afford video games, and something to play them on you are alot better off than 90 percent of the world.

If I was a snarkier person I would point out that this would prove that videogames are expensive since 90% of the world can't afford them.

but quite frankly what people cannot or can afford is irrelevant, only the fact one person paid for goods and/or services and therefore a contract was made.

[FlamingBoy]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

....I cannot complain about something simply because its a "luxury item". No product that being a staple or "luxury" is above this. 

No one has ever said people can't complain about anything, you misinterpret. Misinterpretation is a key element of the BSN, wherby a lot of people see and twist any and every comment from the deveopers (or indeed those with a view different from their own) into something incendiary, offensive and personal. Bizarrely, the community on the forums also see the absence of comments from the developers as incendiary, offensive and personal. The fact is, your opinion (and mine) is not precious, it does not necesarily represent a majority (it is personal), and it is not always worthy of attention ('worthiness' is, of course, hugely subjective). Bioware are not obligated to you in any way whatsoever. What I see here every day is people over-personalising their 'relationship' with Bioware. We like to think that because we have puchased something, we have control on the creative process behind it. No, we don't, it's minimal at best. They do something we can't do, they create a product we can't provide ourselves. The only power you have, and the only power you have ever really had, is the power of where you spend your money. Screaming 'listen to me, do what I want or I'll take my money elsewhere' makes you look like a baffoon.

I apologize, did not read your post because its built on a false premise (by the first sentence i read)

I used the word implication of preventing me to complain with the posters argument.

[Rawgrim]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Icesong wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Its not that much because a video game is a luxury item that you do not need to survive and no one put a gun to your head and forced you to pay for a game.

You're right, it's not much money because it's a luxury and you don't need it to survive. Also, no one threatened to kill you so how expensive could it really be?

Quite right. And if you can afford video games, and something to play them on you are alot better off than 90 percent of the world.

If I was a snarkier person I would point out that this would prove that videogames are expensive since 90% of the world can't afford them.

but quite frankly what people cannot or can afford is irrelevant, only the fact one person paid for goods and/or services and therefore a contract was made.

Don`t you get an X amount of time to return a product you arn`t satisfied with, though?