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[Ghost]

LPPrince wrote...

eromelcm7 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

eromelcm7 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

A downvote system may be better.   If someone posts something offensive or irrelevent, then the community votes it down out of existence.

Got to it before me!  Well what do people say to this idea?

Not gonna work here. Too many people would vote out of malice. The entire MLP Thread over in Offtopic would be filled with hidden posts because outsiders who aren't fans would want to troll and hide everything.

Just an example of how that system could be broken.

Maybe, but on the other hand, this would provide mods with more data to work with. If they see someone that has been doing a lot of downvoting in a short period time, they now have hard data to invistigate people on, and weed out trolls.

Not really. All that downvote system would do is annoy people in the end of the day. Too many holes.

Insofar as finding trolls, if someone is trolling, all it takes is several links or even just one sent to a moderator or developer in a personal message.

And that can be done right NOW. People just fail to react to that sort of stuff, or they don't know how to correctly report something.

[LPPrince]

Also, a like/dislike post option does nothing to actually help clean up the forum.

[Ghost]

LPPrince wrote...

Also, a like/dislike post option does nothing to actually help clean up the forum.

I think we need stricter moderation and a full reset of some forums.

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

Not really. All that downvote system would do is annoy people in the end of the day. Too many holes.

Insofar as finding trolls, if someone is trolling, all it takes is several links or even just one sent to a moderator or developer in a personal message.

And that can be done right NOW. People just fail to react to that sort of stuff, or they don't know how to correctly report something.

To add some input here, if the Report button actually did report a thread or a poster in a manner that actually mattered, this would help things. Sometimes there just isn't the time or the motivation to find out the mod who is currently on, link the offending post, send it via PM and then hope something is done about it. 

If an offensive post could be reported as easily as a click of a button, people would actually use it. Instead, it links to an EA run inbox that no one, in my experience, looks at or handles. 

There's not an inherent need to introduce new tech. Just make the existing ones actually work. 

[Icesong]

eromelcm7 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

A downvote system may be better.   If someone posts something offensive or irrelevent, then the community votes it down out of existence.

Got to it before me!  Well what do people say to this idea?

Rating systems work well enough on Reddit or Slashdot(if you like that sort of thing, I'd rather discuss something on a forum) but they always fall into disuse in forums.

[LPPrince]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Not really. All that downvote system would do is annoy people in the end of the day. Too many holes.

Insofar as finding trolls, if someone is trolling, all it takes is several links or even just one sent to a moderator or developer in a personal message.

And that can be done right NOW. People just fail to react to that sort of stuff, or they don't know how to correctly report something.

To add some input here, if the Report button actually did report a thread or a poster in a manner that actually mattered, this would help things. Sometimes there just isn't the time or the motivation to find out the mod who is currently on, link the offending post, send it via PM and then hope something is done about it. 

If an offensive post could be reported as easily as a click of a button, people would actually use it. Instead, it links to an EA run inbox that no one, in my experience, looks at or handles. 

There's not an inherent need to introduce new tech. Just make the existing ones actually work. 

Doesn't matter if a moderator is online or not. If something should be sent, it should be sent. They'll get to it when they're able.

[Foolsfolly]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Not really. All that downvote system would do is annoy people in the end of the day. Too many holes.

Insofar as finding trolls, if someone is trolling, all it takes is several links or even just one sent to a moderator or developer in a personal message.

And that can be done right NOW. People just fail to react to that sort of stuff, or they don't know how to correctly report something.

To add some input here, if the Report button actually did report a thread or a poster in a manner that actually mattered, this would help things. Sometimes there just isn't the time or the motivation to find out the mod who is currently on, link the offending post, send it via PM and then hope something is done about it. 

If an offensive post could be reported as easily as a click of a button, people would actually use it. Instead, it links to an EA run inbox that no one, in my experience, looks at or handles. 

There's not an inherent need to introduce new tech. Just make the existing ones actually work. 

Reminds me of this Cracked article's number one.

[eromelcm7]

LPPrince wrote...

eromelcm7 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

eromelcm7 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

A downvote system may be better.   If someone posts something offensive or irrelevent, then the community votes it down out of existence.

Got to it before me!  Well what do people say to this idea?

Not gonna work here. Too many people would vote out of malice. The entire MLP Thread over in Offtopic would be filled with hidden posts because outsiders who aren't fans would want to troll and hide everything.

Just an example of how that system could be broken.

Maybe, but on the other hand, this would provide mods with more data to work with. If they see someone that has been doing a lot of downvoting in a short period time, they now have hard data to invistigate people on, and weed out trolls.

Not really. All that downvote system would do is annoy people in the end of the day. Too many holes.

Insofar as finding trolls, if someone is trolling, all it takes is several links or even just one sent to a moderator or developer in a personal message.

And that can be done right NOW. People just fail to react to that sort of stuff, or they don't know how to correctly report something.

You are right there are potential problems here, but as you say, the current system fails to weed out trolls because people fail to report. Same problem Xbox has, the system is inconvinent and some feel unconfortable to fall through with it. With votes, it is inpersonal and easy as well as collective.

Imagine if everytime you got junk mail and you had to email your ISP to have it blocked. Nope, I just push a button that marks it as junk. 

WIth votes the burden is left to the mods at the end of the day, instead of people who will take the time to report them. Also this makes finding trolls for mods much easier. Instead of reading every post, they can pull up the downvoted ones and judge from there. In this way the comunity is a guide for mods and empowers them to help the community much more effectivly.

Is it perfect? No, of course not, but is better than what we have now, where the mods have an unmountable job of reading everything in the hopes of getting a few people.

[Paul Sedgmore]

LPPrince wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Not really. All that downvote system would do is annoy people in the end of the day. Too many holes.

Insofar as finding trolls, if someone is trolling, all it takes is several links or even just one sent to a moderator or developer in a personal message.

And that can be done right NOW. People just fail to react to that sort of stuff, or they don't know how to correctly report something.

To add some input here, if the Report button actually did report a thread or a poster in a manner that actually mattered, this would help things. Sometimes there just isn't the time or the motivation to find out the mod who is currently on, link the offending post, send it via PM and then hope something is done about it. 

If an offensive post could be reported as easily as a click of a button, people would actually use it. Instead, it links to an EA run inbox that no one, in my experience, looks at or handles. 

There's not an inherent need to introduce new tech. Just make the existing ones actually work. 

Doesn't matter if a moderator is online or not. If something should be sent, it should be sent. They'll get to it when they're able.

Then having the report button sending to the forum mods rather than a generic EA form would make more sense than having to seek out an PM a mod no?

[Morroian]

Yalision wrote...

Now as information on Dragon Age III begins to trickle out, fans hear that we will be forced to play Human again - something voiced countless times that was not a popular idea even though most players will choose Human anyway. This does nothing to help the situation. Unless great things come out of a Dragon Age III reveal, they will continue to degenerate I'm sure.

So what? The answer to that is not to rage on the forums and contribute to its toxicity, the answer is to accept Biwoare's games are no longer for you, don't buy it and leave.

[LPPrince]

Having the report button be more functional would help, yes. But its not that hard to send a PM to a mod and link them to whatever is a problem, whether its a post, forum member, spammer, etc etc.

I feel like some people use the report button's uselessness as an excuse to not act. And that helps no one.

[eromelcm7]

Filament wrote...

I really hate the public liking or disliking of people's posts on other sites like youtube etc. You're going to see cults of thumbs up following around certain posters like flies on **** and it'll be SO obnoxious.

Here is a thought to add to all this. What if the up-down-vote system was private? As in everyone votes but you only see your votes? This way mods can still use the votes as a guide to help them find trolls but people's votes will not be influenced by others votes and the preasure to write something silly for up votes is gone.

[Icesong]

eromelcm7 wrote...

Is it perfect? No, of course not, but is better than what we have now, where the mods have an unmountable job of reading everything in the hopes of getting a few people.

It's not an insurmountable amount of posts to moderate. SomethingAwful, Overclock.net, FoH guild at one point, TeamLiquid, I can keep going for awhile... they all have as many or more active posters and they haven't had to throw up their hands and say they can't handle it.

[FlamingBoy]

interesting, i am actually curious of the motives of releasing such a statement

sound likes an attempt (perhaps unintended) to discredit the "fanbase"

[Fast Jimmy]

Then having the report button sending to the forum mods rather than a generic EA form would make more sense than having to seek out an PM a mod no?

Agreed. If the Report button does nothing, it should be removed. If contacting a mod via PM is the only way to report something you feel is offensive or getting out of hand, then no one should be surprised when things get out of hand on a quite regular basis.

Not trying to deflect blame from myself or any other poster, but it is just common sense. If someone brand new to the forums can't complain about something because of poorly designed features and a lack of familiarity with the power brokers here, then it is a poor system and no one should be surprised when people act like dogs off their leashes. You put the leashes ten feet of the floor and only gave us a stepping stool to try and get them down. Of course we're going to try and wrestle that rapid dog down on our own first.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:25 .

[Foolsfolly]

interesting, i am actually curious of the motives of releasing such a statement

He was clearly responding to someone's message. His blog post opens with the message and that's his answer. He very likely thought his answer would be informative to more than just the person who asked the question.

[Femlob]

Blog from David Gaider

From where he's standing, he's got a point.

Unfortunately, things are never one-dimensional... A fact BioWare is only too happy to ignore.

[rapscallioness]

....hmmm well, it's not just the BSN. For example, the person that asked Gaider that question, I thought they were being very rude. I avoid you like the plague cuz you're utterly gross---oh---IMO.

<_< thems fightin' words. I'm sorry I'm not the Dalai Lama. Heck, even Jesus flipped a table in the temple on them moneylenders. Jesus was flippin' tables before it was cool..heh, hehe.

Ah, but that's neither here nor there. Oh, yeah, it's not just the BSN. It's the whole of the internet. For that matter it's not just the internet. It's the whole of the world. Ppl are losing their minds. U.S., for example, is a toxic swamp.

As far as BSN...ME forums, honestly I rarely saw a dev in there even before ME3. And the atmosphere wasn't that bad then. It is now. Everytime I go in there I get ticked. Either a fan that just won't let it go. Or a fan that's defending BW to the teeth while being so verbally abusive that I'm amazed they don't see the irony. Maybe they're iron-y deficient....or, is it hypocrisy..?

And I've read and heard some things from some mods mainly on twitter or some other site, that I felt were very rude. Unnecessarily so for that particular situation.

DA devs are much more involved w/BSN than the ME team ever was. And fine. Whatever. I think most of the frustration now really has nothing to do w/the game--ME3, as it does the feeling of disconnect between what alot of fans were trying to say, and what ME/BW was hearing.

I think Twitter is a far scarier, meanier place than the BSN. Even from BSN zealots wailing and beating their chests. Some things I've read on Twitter that have been said to BW staff is...my god. Foul beyond anything I've ever seen on BSN.

The BSN is always gonna be ..well, BitterSweet. The BitterSweetest Thing, no less.

The DA forums got it good right now. The ME forums are...filled w/despair. And agnst. And grim dark.  Idk how that juju got in there...

But really, it's like what that bartender guy in DA2 said. "Don't mind the BSN. They're friendlier than they look. And they don't bite---much."

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Modifié par rapscallioness, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:35 .

[eromelcm7]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Then having the report button sending to the forum mods rather than a generic EA form would make more sense than having to seek out an PM a mod no?

Agreed. If the Report button does nothing, it should be removed. If contacting a mod via PM is the only way to report something you feel is offensive or getting out of hand, then no one should be surprised when things get out of hand on a quite regular basis.

Not trying to deflect blame from myself or any other poster, but it is just common sense. If someone brand new to the forums can't complain about something because of poorly designed features and a lack of familiarity with the power brokers here, then it is a poor system and no one should be surprised when people act like dogs off their leashes. You put the leashes ten feet of the floor and only gave us a stepping stool to try and get them down. Of course we're going to try and wrestle that rapid dog down on our own first.

Yes, the report button and the process itself needs an overhual. But I still think votes would compliment this. Why not have both? Sometimes a post is just stupid and not worth a report, I just want to quickly downvote it.

[Foolsfolly]

I don't know what DA forums were like right after DA2, but at lest last year at PAX the devs gave the sense that they heard. Specific points were heard. Like player agnecy. And reused maps and all that.

To be completely honest I think BioWare proved it was listening to fan input the moment I beat Legacy. Combat was fun, the entire cast was back, there were tactics, the wave mechanic was perfected, the darkspawn got their teeth back (well the new units), I mean it was a really solid DLC and a firm step forward to what will eventually be DA3.

So I've been convinced that BioWare listens. I know we still get threads like "Are They Really Listening" all the time. But I think their DLC shows it. I think their panels show it, and I'm hopeful DA3 will show it.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:37 .

[FlamingBoy]

Foolsfolly wrote...

interesting, i am actually curious of the motives of releasing such a statement

He was clearly responding to someone's message. His blog post opens with the message and that's his answer. He very likely thought his answer would be informative to more than just the person who asked the question.

I bring it up because the "gaming journalist" jumped on it pretty fast, and made a few articles on it

I expect to see more unfortunetly

[AtreiyaN7]

Pretty much everything that was said in the blog is why I don't even bother reading the ME3 general forums now. It was and IS a toxic place as far as I'm concerned, and reading all the crap in there was actually making me angry and irritable. I ended up feeling as if avoidance was the best course of action.

I used to be one of the more civil people in the ME3 forums, but I've had quite enough of it all after nine-odd months of petulant whining and melodrama. The only times I ever pop in to that area now is if there's a DLC announcement or for multiplayer updates. Actually, I even avoided the DA3 forums for a long while because the whole DA2 thing was almost as unpleasant - meh.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 10 janvier 2013 - 06:12 .