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[Mathias]

Yeah it's beating a dead horse, but let me have the bat for a change. I haven't had my turn yet.

Like I said, i knew it was bad, but i never really sat down and thought about it. What blows my mind about this is that Bioware had a gaping wide opportunity to expand on this scene. To set the record straight that Shepard is alive and rescued. But they didn't. And that there is just something I don't understand. Because they knew people complained about that scene. They knew people wanted a reunion. And when they were working on the EC, and they got to that scene, they had the chance right then and there to fix it.

And they decided not to. They decided to not let their loyal fans, have that satisfying ending where their hero gets to live.

I don't think I understand this scene anymore. I mean what is the point? All the other endings set the record straight with what happens next, but Destroy just leaves you hanging. Every ending seems to have one major perk to it. Synthesis creates a perfect utopia. Arguable but that was the message it was trying to get across. And then Control turns Shepard into a Reaper god. But then the perk for the Destroy ending was Shepard living. So then why do we get this ambiguous 10 second clip of him taking a breath, and then have guys like Priestly and Gamble say it could be his last breath.

Bioware claims that they listen, and I understand they can't always be beholden to us. But this is something that really should've been properly addressed in the EC. Without question. And it's one of the reasons I feel that there's still a disconnect between Bioware and the fan community.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:23 .

[Epique Phael767]

The fact that we got the middle finger that is Refuse didn't tell you there was a disconnect?

[Legion of 1337]

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

[Epique Phael767]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

[Legion of 1337]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

Like I've said though, there is absolutely no point in putting in a scene like that if he' dead anyway. So logically we can determine he is alive.

[Mathias]

If the breath scene was suppose to be some sort of cliffhanger to the sequel, then i could roll with it. But seeing as how this is the end of Shepard and the Normandy's story arc, i don't see the point of it.

[Legion of 1337]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If the breath scene was suppose to be some sort of cliffhanger to the sequel, then i could roll with it. But seeing as how this is the end of Shepard and the Normandy's story arc, i don't see the point of it.

Refer to my first post.

[BleedingUranium]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

He's not a dev, he doesn't know a thing.

Why do you think they won't expand on the breath scene? There's still at least one more DLC on the way, one with all the writers and main composer Sam Hulick. One they're been extremely secretive about.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:43 .

[crimzontearz]

don't forget that Control comes with sheared godspeech...added with the EC

[CynicalShep]

I'm pretty sure the devs have no idea what that scene is even supposed to mean, either. Just trying to be all mysterious and artsy

[capn233]

It's mainly just supposed to be a little reward for completionist playthroughs. Now that EMS reqs are so much lower, it is easy to get it. Especially if you have an absurd N7 Spec Ops team.

[Reorte]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Like I've said though, there is absolutely no point in putting in a scene like that if he' dead anyway. So logically we can determine he is alive.

In that case what's logical about making it look ambiguous? My head tells me that that's the devs' intentions but it's hardly satisfying, having to second guess the reason for a scene because it can't speak for itself with its own content.

[Legion of 1337]

Reorte wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Like I've said though, there is absolutely no point in putting in a scene like that if he' dead anyway. So logically we can determine he is alive.

In that case what's logical about making it look ambiguous? My head tells me that that's the devs' intentions but it's hardly satisfying, having to second guess the reason for a scene because it can't speak for itself with its own content.

It's supposed to be a last second surprise, that's why it's presented that way.

[Mathias]

capn233 wrote...

It's mainly just supposed to be a little reward for completionist playthroughs. Now that EMS reqs are so much lower, it is easy to get it. Especially if you have an absurd N7 Spec Ops team.

Hardly a reward imo.

[Evo_9]

Maybe,

When they release ME4, anyone who chose destroy ending with shepard breath scene, will have a cameo from shepard in the new game.

Any other ending, and they wont get to meet shepard.

[Yate]

guys

it's a scifi series

if it's breathing

it's alive

[InvincibleHero]

I think the simple reason is it would be the golden ending and people would ignore all the rest. They created them with thoughts of making them equally attractive and wanted them to provke the same amount of thought and discussion. What good would three choices be if 99% picked just one of them? It would be a waste of resources just end it with that one golden ending then.

[Andrew Waples]

it's a easter egg for "doing well" in me3 at least orginally when the highest "ems" was 5000

Modifié par eaglefan129, 10 janvier 2013 - 03:09 .

[StoneSwords]

eaglefan129 wrote...

it's a easter egg for "doing well" in me3 at least orginally when the highest "ems" was 5000

Yes a reward for investing many hours into a trilogy, and then being railroaded into 4 morally ambiguous choices

[Archonsg]

Essentially I believe they wanted not to lead one ending to become the "prime" ending making sure each ending has its own pitfall.

Thus had they made one ending where Shepard is clear cut alive and well, guess which would be likely the most popular and thus the "canon" ending?

It certainly won't be the one where Shepard jumps off into a disintegration beam to "become one with the Reapers".

As it is, you see almost as many supporters for each ending, with Destroy leading, partly I believe its the only one with the reapers dead and gone, (not clear if the Catalyst remains functional) abd partly because they allowed a splinter of hope that he might be alive.

Those observant enough or with medical knowledge and logic will deduce that Shepard dying and if no immediate medical attention is given he's likely dead in a matter of minutes.
/shrugs

Thus we are back to *all* ending choices are with arguable merit.

[StoneSwords]

Archonsg wrote...

Essentially I believe they wanted not to lead one ending to become the "prime" ending making sure each ending has its own pitfall.

Thus had they made one ending where Shepard is clear cut alive and well, guess which would be likely the most popular and thus the "canon" ending?

It certainly won't be the one where Shepard jumps off into a disintegration beam to "become one with the Reapers".

As it is, you see almost as many supporters for each ending, with Destroy leading, partly I believe its the only one with the reapers dead and gone, (not clear if the Catalyst remains functional) abd partly because they allowed a splinter of hope that he might be alive.

Those observant enough or with medical knowledge and logic will deduce that Shepard dying and if no immediate medical attention is given he's likely dead in a matter of minutes.
/shrugs

Thus we are back to *all* ending choices are with arguable merit.

I think that's what frustrates people so much, All we see is a 5 second clip of him taking 1 breath, no idea if his squad, or the Alliance, or anyone else got to him in time to save him from dying in the rubble alone

[AlanC9]

I imagine Bio just figured that people would interpret that scene the way they'd interpret such a scene in a movie or TV show. In other media Shepard would be obviously alive.

Modifié par AlanC9, 10 janvier 2013 - 03:25 .

[InvincibleHero]

StoneSwords wrote...

I think that's what frustrates people so much, All we see is a 5 second clip of him taking 1 breath, no idea if his squad, or the Alliance, or anyone else got to him in time to save him from dying in the rubble alone

Well other than the Benzia/Saren scene (that I can recall) in ME that was poorly placed (bad writing breaks tense) everything was experienced first hand by Shepard. Hence, if you see shepard'd prone form someone has to be there to witness it by inference.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...


I imagine Bio just figured that people would interpret that scene the way they'd interpret such a scene in a movie or TV show. In other media Shepard would be obviously alive.

Such scenes are generally reserved for monsters, axe-wielding psychopaths, and other unsavory beings the protagonist spends much of the story trying to put in the ground in the first place.  This doesn't speak highly of Shepard.