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[Jadebaby]

Yate wrote...

guys

it's a scifi series

if it's breathing

it's alive

And who's arguing that Shepard isn't alive? Surely you have to be alive to breath right?

None of this automatically means that they survive.

[Peranor]

Well.. I think it's quite clear that Bioware intended to show that "Ta-da! Shepard is alive" with the breath scene.
I'm just questioning how Shepard could survive in the first place.
What Bioware is trying to show us doesn't match up with what just happened.

And even this was Shepards last breath they can still pull a Lazarus Project II and have him revived again. But that isn't the issue with the scene for me.

[Tentwen]

Seeing that the file name for those cutscenes are Shepard_alive male and female respectively, I would say odds are good Shepard is alive.

[clarkusdarkus]

Were clearly suppose to interpret he/she is alive as didnt they add the scene in the EC where your LI refuse's to put the plaque on the memorial wall....so they did add to the scene so to speak.....just didn't add after the scene which they should have i agree OP......similar to ME3 dlc actually, we want post ending dlc yet they give us it pre-ending.......,

[Peranor]

Tentwen wrote...

Seeing that the file name for those cutscenes are Shepard_alive male and female respectively, I would say odds are good Shepard is alive.

True. But is it really reasonable to have the players go through the data files to try and find confirmation?

[Outsider edge]

anorling wrote...

Tentwen wrote...

Seeing that the file name for those cutscenes are Shepard_alive male and female respectively, I would say odds are good Shepard is alive.

True. But is it really reasonable to have the players go through the data files to try and find confirmation?

Well...it's the same company that wants players too go through comicbooks too find plot relevant information. Or too read novels so the sudden appearance of Kai Leng the ninja isn't such a surprise. Going through the gamefiles too find a deeper meaning behind scenes in that regard isn't too farfetched.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 10 janvier 2013 - 12:38 .

[wright1978]

TheRealMotz85 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Not expanding upon the breath scene in the EC was utterly cheap tactic by Bioware. Desperately clinging to its ambiguity whilst expanding and provising exposition for the other endings. Really appalling.

Appalling, like come on. U can't seriously expect them to do things for everyone can u? They expanded enough for all those who complained. The whole ME3 experience was the ending, people need to stop looking at the final moments as the ending and seeing how the whole game was the ending. If people did that then they would be better of. There was so many things to finish in 3 that u had many ending to things. Why do u think u got to say all those goodbyes beforehand.

Of course it is appalling to dump the breath scene at the end of the expanded epilogue like it was a piece of garbage. It should have been integrated and expanded upon equally as the other endings where Shep dies were.

[Peranor]

Outsider edge wrote...

anorling wrote...

Tentwen wrote...

Seeing that the file name for those cutscenes are Shepard_alive male and female respectively, I would say odds are good Shepard is alive.

True. But is it really reasonable to have the players go through the data files to try and find confirmation?

Well...it's the same company that wants players too go through comicbooks too find plot relevant information. Or too read novels so the sudden appearance of Kai Leng the ninja isn't such a surprise. Going through the gamefiles too find a deeper meaning behind scenes in that regard isn't too farfetched.

And don't forget Twitter

[HolyAvenger]

Its simply a hope spot ending, allowing players to colour in their version as they wish. A bit of ambiguity.

I actually liked it. There are heaps of things I hated about the endings, but this wasn't one of them.

[Mcfly616]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

He's not a dev, he doesn't know a thing.

Why do you think they won't expand on the breath scene? There's still at least one more DLC on the way, one with all the writers and main composer Sam Hulick. One they're been extremely secretive about.

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

[Kais Endac]

The balance between the destroy endings and the others is achieved by the destruction of the geth and EDI. I really liked both the Geth and EDI and to see them both destroyed to essentially save my own life(since the reaper threat is eliminated in all three endings)is enough incentive for me to choose the other two endings in some playthrough's.

The Breath scene is actually the only thing that destroy has going for it in my eyes and that lacks closure, while it is clear that Shepard lives it is extremely lacking and is more of an easter egg than anything.

All three endings have questionable outcomes
Control: AI Shepard that could eventually come to the same conclusion as the catalyst and begin the cycle again. After all peace will not last and some idiot will probably restart the Synthetic Organic war again. There is no guarantee that AI Shep will not have the same logic as the catalyst.

Synthesis: Forcing change on the galaxy whether they want it or not

Destroy: Genocide of a sentient race and killing a friend

Refuse.........Good job you've doomed everyone

The balance already exists and had the rubble scene been expanded on it would not have invalidated the other options at least in my opinion.

[Mcfly616]

Kais Endac wrote....


The balance already exists and had the rubble scene been expanded on it would not have invalidated the other options at least in my opinion.

they didn't expand the rubble scene because it would ****** off ITers. That's all....


They did a poll a week before EC was released, asking if people if they believe in IT. The poll heavily favored IT (even though most people dont believe in it, they probably said they did because they wanted anything other than an extended version of the original ending)....as a direct result, Bioware chose not to "extend" the breathe scene because it would ruin IT for the 80% of fans that voted for it. Yay.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 10 janvier 2013 - 01:02 .

[Kais Endac]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Kais Endac wrote....


The balance already exists and had the rubble scene been expanded on it would not have invalidated the other options at least in my opinion.

they didn't expand the rubble scene because it would ****** of ITers. That's all....


They did a poll a week before EC was released, asking if people if they believe in IT. The poll heavily favored IT (even though most people dont believe in it, they probably said they did because they wanted anything other than an extended version of the original ending)....as a direct result, Bioware chose not to "extend" the breathe scene because it would ruin IT for the 80% of fans that voted for it. Yay.

Damn you got there just before I did I was just about to edit my post I was going to say....I had never considered the IT players if the rubble scene was left in support of them then I can't fault that. While it may not be my preference it allows some small semblance of closure and allows the IT theory to continue.

I have never believed in IT though and would actually pay for an optional dlc pack that provides full closure, well for now I suppose I've got the MEHEM mod even if that renders the choices null and void.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 10 janvier 2013 - 01:07 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Well...it's the same company that wants players too go through comicbooks too find plot relevant information. Or too read novels so the sudden appearance of Kai Leng the ninja isn't such a surprise. Going through the gamefiles too find a deeper meaning behind scenes in that regard isn't too farfetched.

You don't seem to understand what canon actually means: If it is in the published game/book/comic, then it is canon regardless of the medium. Otherwise - information gained in interviews, looking through game files, etc, it's not canon.
Expanded universe novels are hardly a Bioware invention.

Cf death of the author

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

He's not a dev, he doesn't know a thing.

Why do you think they won't expand on the breath scene? There's still at least one more DLC on the way, one with all the writers and main composer Sam Hulick. One they're been extremely secretive about.

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....


 

 
Come on

[wright1978]

Mcfly616 wrote...

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

Instead they pissed off an even greater group of people who wanted expansion of Shep's fate in the extended cut as well as making the high EMS destroy Extended Cut completely disconnected and laughable.

[Kais Endac]

crimzontearz wrote...

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....
 
Come on

You never know he could be, since  his death isnt actually shown (only see his shields go down no body either just a shattered helmet) anything could happen lol Halo: Reach Return of Noble 6 after all stranger things have happened in the Halo-verse. I'm not even sure if bungie or 343 have even announced a confirmed date of death for him.

Anyway given the shock of bioware devs to the reaction to the endings, I think they never considered Shepard to be anything but alive in the destroy ending. Some people are over analysing it, it should probably be taken at face value. However I stand by my point that the scene as it stands is lackluster and lacks closure.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 10 janvier 2013 - 01:32 .

[Mathias]

wright1978 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

Instead they pissed off an even greater group of people who wanted expansion of Shep's fate in the extended cut as well as making the high EMS destroy Extended Cut completely disconnected and laughable.

This.

If i may be blunt, screw the ITers at this point. There's no reason to believe in it anymore. If Bioware doesn't intend to make IT a reality, then the believers need to get over it, or at the very least accept that it's nothing more than a fan theory. Ok so Shepard is indoctrinated and wakes up in Destroy.

Ok....

Then what?

That's as far as the theory goes since IT ain't gonna happen. And furthermore, I believe there's a hell of a lot less IT believers now than there was Pre EC. But there's definitely way more people that want a more satisfying Destroy ending, than IT believers. So why satisfy the smaller group? Plus even if they did show a reunion, most ITers would believe that's all in Shepard's head too. So who cares?

[Denethar]

ITers probably did more damage to the extended cut then anyone else.

[crimzontearz]

Kais Endac wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....
 
Come on

You never know he could be, since  his death isnt actually shown (only see his shields go down no body either just a shattered helmet) anything could happen lol Halo: Reach Return of Noble 6 after all stranger things have happened in the Halo-verse. I'm not even sure if bungie or 343 have even announced a confirmed date of death for him.

Anyway given the shock of bioware devs to the reaction to the endings, I think they never considered Shepard to be anything but alive in the destroy ending. Some people are over analysing it, it should probably be taken at face value. However I stand by my point that the scene as it stands is lackluster and lacks closure.

no, bungie flat out confirmed he died

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

He's not a dev, he doesn't know a thing.

Why do you think they won't expand on the breath scene? There's still at least one more DLC on the way, one with all the writers and main composer Sam Hulick. One they're been extremely secretive about.

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....


 

 
Come on

umm no. I dyed as Noble 6. You're literally playing as him when he dies....


Shepard is literally shown alive.

Not the same thing.


Try as you might, I know how badly you wish for it to be anything but him being alive. Maybe because you're a masochist, or maybe its because you want another reason to complain. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that he indeed survives, and we are left to decide how he spends the rest of his days.

By all means, continue living in denial though.

[Mcfly616]

wright1978 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

Instead they pissed off an even greater group of people who wanted expansion of Shep's fate in the extended cut as well as making the high EMS destroy Extended Cut completely disconnected and laughable.

as I said, I think a lot of the people that voted and said "Yes, I believe in IT", really don't. They just voted for it because they wanted a completely new ending.

Ofcourse, BW probably didn't think of it that way. They probably looked at the poll and saw that 80% said "Yes, I believe in IT", and felt like they'd be alienating a huge chunk of the fanbase if they expanded the breathe scene.....hell, I gaurantee there's an extension to it in some file in Edmonton. And it was thrown out due to this particular poll.

You have to blame the voters as well. Had they just been honest and said "No, I don't believe in IT", there wouldn't be this problem. And we would've seen Shep getting out of tbe rubble or possibly even him getting picked up by the Normandy (not that I need such a scene)

Modifié par Mcfly616, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:00 .

[Kais Endac]

crimzontearz wrote...

Kais Endac wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....
 
Come on

You never know he could be, since  his death isnt actually shown (only see his shields go down no body either just a shattered helmet) anything could happen lol Halo: Reach Return of Noble 6 after all stranger things have happened in the Halo-verse. I'm not even sure if bungie or 343 have even announced a confirmed date of death for him.

Anyway given the shock of bioware devs to the reaction to the endings, I think they never considered Shepard to be anything but alive in the destroy ending. Some people are over analysing it, it should probably be taken at face value. However I stand by my point that the scene as it stands is lackluster and lacks closure.

no, bungie flat out confirmed he died

I didn't know they flat out confirmed it. suspected though

as far as I knew they never confimed his exact death or even the date of his death. It is presumed that he died sometime after August 30th 2552 (given the unrealiable state of the wiki sites I choose to believe he died in that final cutscene to the elite stabbing him as bungie intended) and there are cases in Halo lore where certain indiviuals defied death, then there is the whole time travel thing that happens in Halo: Fall of Reach. Which further confuses things though as i understand it the books are secondary lore and any overlaps are overridden by the games.

My point was though his death is not actually seen in game the view of his body is obstructed prior to being stabed by the elite.

I know your right though and I probably missed them confirming his death. To be honest I never believed he lived I just posted that as a joke, a result of my current boredom . 

Modifié par Kais Endac, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:19 .

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

It's supposed to be a surprise twist at the very end, since you probably thought up until that point that he was dead.

Also I never heard anyone ever say it was his last. They simply cover all questions about the ending with the blanket statement that it's "open to interpretation". Apparently they think they're geniuses.

Priestly did say that it could be Shep's last and then used the interpretation blanket.

He's not a dev, he doesn't know a thing.

Why do you think they won't expand on the breath scene? There's still at least one more DLC on the way, one with all the writers and main composer Sam Hulick. One they're been extremely secretive about.

wrong....they didn't "expand" the breathe scene simply because they didn't want to ****** off ITers. (An expanded breathe scene completely destroys IT.)


And the breathe scene is meant to convey that Shep survived. Nothing more. They saved it as the last scene because they wanted to keep the viewer thinking he was dead all along. Then, it turns out he wasnt. Not too hard to understand, really....

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....


 

 
Come on

umm no. I dyed as Noble 6. You're literally playing as him when he dies....


Shepard is literally shown alive.

Not the same thing.


Try as you might, I know how badly you wish for it to be anything but him being alive. Maybe because you're a masochist, or maybe its because you want another reason to complain. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that he indeed survives, and we are left to decide how he spends the rest of his days.

By all means, continue living in denial though.

and I keep telling you that if that was the case then they would flat out say it and they did not. I want ony a conformation, clear cut yes or no...then I can do the rest


 
Also Noble six is never shown dying

[crimzontearz]

Kais Endac wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Kais Endac wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

by your logic noble six is still alive because Bungie never showed his body and his name is not on the memorial wall....
 
Come on

You never know he could be, since  his death isnt actually shown (only see his shields go down no body either just a shattered helmet) anything could happen lol Halo: Reach Return of Noble 6 after all stranger things have happened in the Halo-verse. I'm not even sure if bungie or 343 have even announced a confirmed date of death for him.

Anyway given the shock of bioware devs to the reaction to the endings, I think they never considered Shepard to be anything but alive in the destroy ending. Some people are over analysing it, it should probably be taken at face value. However I stand by my point that the scene as it stands is lackluster and lacks closure.

no, bungie flat out confirmed he died

I didn't know they flat out confirmed it. suspected though

as far as I knew they never confimed his exact death or even the date of his death. It is presumed that he died sometime after August 30th 2552 (given the unrealiable state of the wiki sites I choose to believe he died in that final cutscene to the elite stabbing him as bungie intended) and there are cases in Halo lore where certain indiviuals defied death, then there is the whole time travel thing that happens in Halo: Fall of Reach. Which further confuses things though as i understand it the books are secondary lore and any overlaps are overridden by the games.

My point was though his death is not actually seen in game the view of his body is obstructed prior to being stabed by the elite.

I know your right though and I probably missed them confirming his death. To be honest I never believed he lived I just posted that as a joke, a result of my current boredom . 

yeah they confirmed it


 
Although right now they are being ultra tight lipped about Cortana