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[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I think it's alright, to be honest. It's an old well known trick, showing the main dude/villain waking up after we thought they were dead.

Doesn't bother me, and destroy is my second favorite ending.

wake up≠take a breath which bioware implied could be their last. At the very end of a trilogy and with THESE circumstances? Big no no.

Compare that to the "wake up" scene in Avatar...the context sets us up for much MUCH better outcomes

That was just ONE writer. While not sure, I think he was just kidding around. I guess I get what you're saying, but the way I look at it, I see no reason to put a scene like that there, if he doesn't survive. 

Don't remember any wake up scene in Avatar, so I can't comment on that.

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I think it's alright, to be honest. It's an old well known trick, showing the main dude/villain waking up after we thought they were dead.

Doesn't bother me, and destroy is my second favorite ending.

wake up≠take a breath which bioware implied could be their last. At the very end of a trilogy and with THESE circumstances? Big no no.

Compare that to the "wake up" scene in Avatar...the context sets us up for much MUCH better outcomes

That was just ONE writer. While not sure, I think he was just kidding around. I guess I get what you're saying, but the way I look at it, I see no reason to put a scene like that there, if he doesn't survive. 

Don't remember any wake up scene in Avatar, so I can't comment on that.

One writer, on an entire panel, which later caused Tuly A to stop advocating Shepard's survival.

If you were right there would be absolutely no reason NOT to come out and say he lives...but no one has done it so far

[Fawx9]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

You have to blame the voters as well. Had they just been honest and said "No, I don't believe in IT", there wouldn't be this problem. And we would've seen Shep getting out of tbe rubble or possibly even him getting picked up by the Normandy (not that I need such a scene)

I'd blame Bioware for not being thorough enough and asking the right questions.

the question was completely straight forward. It was a Yes or No question. You.can't expect Bioware to fully assume and know what motivates someone to vote yes or no....were they supposed to put a disclaimer at the top.of the poll saying: "Don't vote 'Yes' if you want an extended Breathe scene." ?

I can and I do.  Yes/no  is a stupid way to ask a question like that, as there are varying degrees of that answer.  Heck there's varying Indoctrination Theories!

What motivates them is as important, maybe even more so, than simple belief.

sifting through 60,000+ completely different reasons, in less than 2 weeks, simply to decide whether or not to include the extended breathe scene.....well that's not.realistic at all. Not enough time. They had the scene ready to go. Since people seemingly.didnt.want IT ruined, BW didn't include the extension

Edit: and it seems you're just unrealistic all together....you expect someone (BW) to know that someone was lying when they voted "Yes I believe in IT"??

Sure, they should absolutely see that you voted "Yes" because you actually want an all new ending, so you voted Yes for IT....but in your.mind.you don't really believe in it.....Bioware should.totally be capable of.reading thousands of.peoples minds and know that they really dont believe in IT. They just lied and said they did because they have ulterior motives.... (Sarcasm....obviously)

How were they NOT expecting those types of answers to skew the data though?

They went onto a fansite dedicated to fixing/getting a new ending and one of the most popular ways of doing that was through IT (honestly it wasn't all that crazy given the original mess we were left with, just far reaching). So on the eve of them releasing the EC they come on and ask these fans if they believe in IT. What exactly were people supposed to think and feel? Say no to the thing that seemed like one of the best way to fix the endings at the time?

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I can and I do.  Yes/no  is a stupid way to ask a question like that, as there are varying degrees of that answer.  Heck there's varying Indoctrination Theories!

What motivates them is as important, maybe even more so, than simple belief.

sifting through 60,000+ completely different reasons, in less than 2 weeks, simply to decide whether or not to include the extended breathe scene.....well that's not.realistic at all. Not enough time. They had the scene ready to go. Since people seemingly.didnt.want IT ruined, BW didn't include the extension

Then asking the question at all was a waste of everyone's time. 

Maybe....considering people find it too hard to honestly answer a yes or no question. Had everybody just done that, we'd be sitting here with a scene of Shep standing up out of the rubble. But since people are incapable of doing that we have speculation still.

Fans would've got exactly what they wanted (pertaining to that specific scene) had they simply answered the question truthfully. But you're right....its Biowares fault lol

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I can and I do.  Yes/no  is a stupid way to ask a question like that, as there are varying degrees of that answer.  Heck there's varying Indoctrination Theories!

What motivates them is as important, maybe even more so, than simple belief.

sifting through 60,000+ completely different reasons, in less than 2 weeks, simply to decide whether or not to include the extended breathe scene.....well that's not.realistic at all. Not enough time. They had the scene ready to go. Since people seemingly.didnt.want IT ruined, BW didn't include the extension

Then asking the question at all was a waste of everyone's time. 

Maybe....considering people find it too hard to honestly answer a yes or no question. Had everybody just done that, we'd be sitting here with a scene of Shep standing up out of the rubble. But since people are incapable of doing that we have speculation still.

Fans would've got exactly what they wanted (pertaining to that specific scene) had they simply answered the question truthfully. But you're right....its Biowares fault lol

hey now, I answered NO, I do not believe in IT

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I can and I do.  Yes/no  is a stupid way to ask a question like that, as there are varying degrees of that answer.  Heck there's varying Indoctrination Theories!

What motivates them is as important, maybe even more so, than simple belief.

sifting through 60,000+ completely different reasons, in less than 2 weeks, simply to decide whether or not to include the extended breathe scene.....well that's not.realistic at all. Not enough time. They had the scene ready to go. Since people seemingly.didnt.want IT ruined, BW didn't include the extension

Then asking the question at all was a waste of everyone's time. 

Maybe....considering people find it too hard to honestly answer a yes or no question. Had everybody just done that, we'd be sitting here with a scene of Shep standing up out of the rubble. But since people are incapable of doing that we have speculation still.

Fans would've got exactly what they wanted (pertaining to that specific scene) had they simply answered the question truthfully. But you're right....its Biowares fault lol

And because some questions have more complicated answers than just "yes and "no".  If you go in demanding that, of course you're going to get an incomplete answer.

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I think it's alright, to be honest. It's an old well known trick, showing the main dude/villain waking up after we thought they were dead.

Doesn't bother me, and destroy is my second favorite ending.

wake up≠take a breath which bioware implied could be their last. At the very end of a trilogy and with THESE circumstances? Big no no.

Compare that to the "wake up" scene in Avatar...the context sets us up for much MUCH better outcomes

That was just ONE writer. While not sure, I think he was just kidding around. I guess I get what you're saying, but the way I look at it, I see no reason to put a scene like that there, if he doesn't survive. 

Don't remember any wake up scene in Avatar, so I can't comment on that.

One writer, on an entire panel, which later caused Tuly A to stop advocating Shepard's survival.

If you were right there would be absolutely no reason NOT to come out and say he lives...but no one has done it so far

Ahh yeah....and his backtracking was exactly like BW not wanting to ****** off ITers. They don't want to ****** off people like you that for whatever reason just want it to mean he's dead.

Was BW going for IT? No, but they don't want to ****** of people that believe that.

Were they implying he lived in the Breathe Scene? Absolutely.....ofcourse they don't want to ****** off masochists like you though, so they'll tell you its "whatever you want to.believe".

If you don't want to take the scene for exactly what it is.....or take the official strategy guides permanent ink printed words for it (Shepard lives).....or the file name.for the breath scene.....well, that's your own problem. Saying that he's not alive is quite delusional at this point.

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I think it's alright, to be honest. It's an old well known trick, showing the main dude/villain waking up after we thought they were dead.

Doesn't bother me, and destroy is my second favorite ending.

wake up≠take a breath which bioware implied could be their last. At the very end of a trilogy and with THESE circumstances? Big no no.

Compare that to the "wake up" scene in Avatar...the context sets us up for much MUCH better outcomes

That was just ONE writer. While not sure, I think he was just kidding around. I guess I get what you're saying, but the way I look at it, I see no reason to put a scene like that there, if he doesn't survive. 

Don't remember any wake up scene in Avatar, so I can't comment on that.

One writer, on an entire panel, which later caused Tuly A to stop advocating Shepard's survival.

If you were right there would be absolutely no reason NOT to come out and say he lives...but no one has done it so far

Ahh yeah....and his backtracking was exactly like BW not wanting to ****** off ITers. They don't want to ****** off people like you that for whatever reason just want it to mean he's dead.

Was BW going for IT? No, but they don't want to ****** of people that believe that.

Were they implying he lived in the Breathe Scene? Absolutely.....ofcourse they don't want to ****** off masochists like you though, so they'll tell you its "whatever you want to.believe".

If you don't want to take the scene for exactly what it is.....or take the official strategy guides permanent ink printed words for it (Shepard lives).....or the file name.for the breath scene.....well, that's your own problem. Saying that he's not alive is quite delusional at this point.

McFly are you ****ing stupid?

I WANT him to live, simple word of god would be enough, hell I would HAPPILY pay for a reunion scene SLIDER...one single IMAGE. But I am a RPG player I believe in the separation of player agency and storytelling. His fate is THEIR decision, not mine.

I understand that, somehow, you do not accept that but calling me masochist for refusing to shut my brain off and wanting a clear cut confirmation is quite idiotic

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

@McFly:

Do you believe in the Indoctrination Theory?

* Yes, the evidence for it is inescapable.

* I think it's more likely true than not.

* I'm not sure.

* No, but I wouldn't mind if the developers made it true.

* No, I don't believe it or like the idea of it.

...

Ta-dah. I do blame Bioware for asking vague or too binary questions if your idea of what happened is true. Or taking a poll with 80% ITers at face value. That high of a number seems like the poll saw an influx of ITers trying to stuff the ballot box.

Or, you know, asking the wrong question: if the issue is add the reunion scene or not, ask that. It all stems from a failure to understand your own fans (if your idea of what happened is true).

Modifié par PKchu, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:50 .

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I can and I do.  Yes/no  is a stupid way to ask a question like that, as there are varying degrees of that answer.  Heck there's varying Indoctrination Theories!

What motivates them is as important, maybe even more so, than simple belief.

sifting through 60,000+ completely different reasons, in less than 2 weeks, simply to decide whether or not to include the extended breathe scene.....well that's not.realistic at all. Not enough time. They had the scene ready to go. Since people seemingly.didnt.want IT ruined, BW didn't include the extension

Then asking the question at all was a waste of everyone's time. 

Maybe....considering people find it too hard to honestly answer a yes or no question. Had everybody just done that, we'd be sitting here with a scene of Shep standing up out of the rubble. But since people are incapable of doing that we have speculation still.

Fans would've got exactly what they wanted (pertaining to that specific scene) had they simply answered the question truthfully. But you're right....its Biowares fault lol

And because some questions have more complicated answers than just "yes and "no".  If you go in demanding that, of course you're going to get an incomplete answer.

not really....


It's a yes or no question.....they didn't ask why. If someone said "Yes" but then added "because its the only way to get a new ending." That person didn't answer the question truthfully, therefore the blame is on them.


Regardless of your reasoning behind it.....do you "Believe" in Indoc Theory? That was the question. It wasnt "would you rather have IT...?".

It was: do you Believe in it? It's not Biowares fault that people said Yes, even though they really dont.

Regardless if hated the ending or not. If you don't believe in IT, then you shouldn't have voted "Yes" when youre asked the question "Do you believe in IT"

That's like giving a child vegetables, and then asking him "Do you like steak?"....and even though he really doesn't like steak, he says "yes" because he thinks.it'll get him out of eating his vegetables.

Regardless, he was dishonest and assumed he wouldn't have to eat vegetables if he ate steak instead. It's not Biowares fault that people assumed they'd get a.completely different ending if they dishonestly voted Yes for Indoc.theory.

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I think it's alright, to be honest. It's an old well known trick, showing the main dude/villain waking up after we thought they were dead.

Doesn't bother me, and destroy is my second favorite ending.

wake up≠take a breath which bioware implied could be their last. At the very end of a trilogy and with THESE circumstances? Big no no.

Compare that to the "wake up" scene in Avatar...the context sets us up for much MUCH better outcomes

That was just ONE writer. While not sure, I think he was just kidding around. I guess I get what you're saying, but the way I look at it, I see no reason to put a scene like that there, if he doesn't survive. 

Don't remember any wake up scene in Avatar, so I can't comment on that.

One writer, on an entire panel, which later caused Tuly A to stop advocating Shepard's survival.

If you were right there would be absolutely no reason NOT to come out and say he lives...but no one has done it so far

Ahh yeah....and his backtracking was exactly like BW not wanting to ****** off ITers. They don't want to ****** off people like you that for whatever reason just want it to mean he's dead.

Was BW going for IT? No, but they don't want to ****** of people that believe that.

Were they implying he lived in the Breathe Scene? Absolutely.....ofcourse they don't want to ****** off masochists like you though, so they'll tell you its "whatever you want to.believe".

If you don't want to take the scene for exactly what it is.....or take the official strategy guides permanent ink printed words for it (Shepard lives).....or the file name.for the breath scene.....well, that's your own problem. Saying that he's not alive is quite delusional at this point.

McFly are you ****ing stupid?

I WANT him to live, simple word of god would be enough, hell I would HAPPILY pay for a reunion scene SLIDER...one single IMAGE. But I am a RPG player I believe in the separation of player agency and storytelling. His fate is THEIR decision, not mine.

I understand that, somehow, you do not accept that but calling me masochist for refusing to shut my brain off and wanting a clear cut confirmation is quite idiotic

you know what's quite idiotic is that you don't understand that the breathe scene is Bioware "clearly" showing he survived.

Your mind is indeed.clearly "shut off" Seeing as how you cannot grasp the fact that if he were dead, that scene wouldn't even be there (Just like the other 3 endings where he's DEAD)

crimzontearz: "yes, he dies in all the endings. But in one ending, there's an extra scene of Shepard breathing. Clearly, it means he's definitely dead....just like all the other endings. Bioware just chose to put it in one ending"

Lol....and you're asking if I'm stupid? Look or your rationale bro....I'm.sorry but that's borderline retarded.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:06 .

[DeinonSlayer]

crimzontearz wrote...

McFly are you ****ing stupid?

I WANT him to live, simple word of god would be enough, hell I would HAPPILY pay for a reunion scene SLIDER...one single IMAGE. But I am a RPG player I believe in the separation of player agency and storytelling. His fate is THEIR decision, not mine.

I understand that, somehow, you do not accept that but calling me masochist for refusing to shut my brain off and wanting a clear cut confirmation is quite idiotic

They're not going to come out and say either way. They WANT us to reach our own conclusions, while strongly suggesting survival. You can either accept that, or bash your head against the wall indefinitely, demanding something you're never going to get.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:06 .

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I think it's alright, to be honest. It's an old well known trick, showing the main dude/villain waking up after we thought they were dead.

Doesn't bother me, and destroy is my second favorite ending.

wake up≠take a breath which bioware implied could be their last. At the very end of a trilogy and with THESE circumstances? Big no no.

Compare that to the "wake up" scene in Avatar...the context sets us up for much MUCH better outcomes

That was just ONE writer. While not sure, I think he was just kidding around. I guess I get what you're saying, but the way I look at it, I see no reason to put a scene like that there, if he doesn't survive. 

Don't remember any wake up scene in Avatar, so I can't comment on that.

One writer, on an entire panel, which later caused Tuly A to stop advocating Shepard's survival.

If you were right there would be absolutely no reason NOT to come out and say he lives...but no one has done it so far

Ahh yeah....and his backtracking was exactly like BW not wanting to ****** off ITers. They don't want to ****** off people like you that for whatever reason just want it to mean he's dead.

Was BW going for IT? No, but they don't want to ****** of people that believe that.

Were they implying he lived in the Breathe Scene? Absolutely.....ofcourse they don't want to ****** off masochists like you though, so they'll tell you its "whatever you want to.believe".

If you don't want to take the scene for exactly what it is.....or take the official strategy guides permanent ink printed words for it (Shepard lives).....or the file name.for the breath scene.....well, that's your own problem. Saying that he's not alive is quite delusional at this point.

McFly are you ****ing stupid?

I WANT him to live, simple word of god would be enough, hell I would HAPPILY pay for a reunion scene SLIDER...one single IMAGE. But I am a RPG player I believe in the separation of player agency and storytelling. His fate is THEIR decision, not mine.

I understand that, somehow, you do not accept that but calling me masochist for refusing to shut my brain off and wanting a clear cut confirmation is quite idiotic

you know what's quite idiotic is that you don't understand that the breathe scene is Bioware "clearly" showing he survived. Are you an idiot? Seeing as how you cannot grasp the fact that if he were dead, that scene wouldn't even be there (Just like the other 3 endings where he's DEAD)

oh you mean like they added a god speech for Shepard in Control in response to the fans saying "how do we know if they are just following a single order or more?".

The breath scene requires you to entirely shut your brain off for it to work as intended and bioware is not above changing things later on using the "but you were never sure" excuse


 
After all I killed Oghren with a lovely decapitation in DAO....funny how he returned in DAA and apparently I had juat wounded him. As it is I do not trust anything less than a full confirmation even if it is just word of god. The IT defense can only hold until ME4, then what?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:10 .

[crimzontearz]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

McFly are you ****ing stupid?

I WANT him to live, simple word of god would be enough, hell I would HAPPILY pay for a reunion scene SLIDER...one single IMAGE. But I am a RPG player I believe in the separation of player agency and storytelling. His fate is THEIR decision, not mine.

I understand that, somehow, you do not accept that but calling me masochist for refusing to shut my brain off and wanting a clear cut confirmation is quite idiotic

They're not going to come out and say either way. They WANT us to reach our own conclusions, while strongly suggesting survival. You can either accept that, or bash your head against the wall indefinitely, demanding something you're never going to get.

which in an RPG is pretty ridiculous but sure, I will and in the meantime I will be here...juuuust to tick off people like you DS, and to try and steer as many as I can away from their future products

[Mcfly616]

I dont even like IT. I'm simply stating its their fault that we didnt get an extended breathe scene. (And I don't even need an extension to it. But it'd be nice to have one, if only to shut up all the people that for whatever reason, don't "get" it)

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

They're not going to come out and say either way. They WANT us to reach our own conclusions, while strongly suggesting survival. You can either accept that, or bash your head against the wall indefinitely, demanding something you're never going to get.

Yep. You're meant to imagine your own conclusion. As much as I would like a short epilogue, it's not gonna happen. Thinking about it just setting yourself up for disappointment. Bioware has a direction they want to go in, a lot of us didn't like it, but they make the game. It's up to us if we want to invest in their next effort. That doesn't make them bad, it just means I'm not enjoying their current direction unfortunately.

Lot of people (including myself) would be best served playing or thinking about a different game instead of one that isn't going to be "fixed" in the way they want it. 

Modifié par PKchu, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:14 .

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz: "yes, he dies in all the endings. But in one ending, there's an extra scene of Shepard breathing. Clearly, it means he's definitely dead....just like all the other endings. Bioware just chose to put it in one ending"


Clearly the logic of a very smart person.

[DeinonSlayer]

crimzontearz wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

McFly are you ****ing stupid?

I WANT him to live, simple word of god would be enough, hell I would HAPPILY pay for a reunion scene SLIDER...one single IMAGE. But I am a RPG player I believe in the separation of player agency and storytelling. His fate is THEIR decision, not mine.

I understand that, somehow, you do not accept that but calling me masochist for refusing to shut my brain off and wanting a clear cut confirmation is quite idiotic

They're not going to come out and say either way. They WANT us to reach our own conclusions, while strongly suggesting survival. You can either accept that, or bash your head against the wall indefinitely, demanding something you're never going to get.

which in an RPG is pretty ridiculous but sure, I will and in the meantime I will be here...juuuust to tick off people like you DS, and to try and steer as many as I can away from their future products

I could care less about your opinion of me. I'm telling you this for the sake of your own mental health. Carrying this much vitriol about the ending, this long after the fact - it's insane. I came to terms with it months ago. If you don't want to buy their future products, fine - but if your goal is to dissuade others, all they'll see on the boards is a rager.

People have already made up their minds one way or another at this point. Little you can do will change that. Little I can do will change you - but I guess, like you, I feel compelled to try.

[wright1978]

crimzontearz wrote...

oh you mean like they added a god speech for Shepard in Control in response to the fans saying "how do we know if they are just following a single order or more?".

The breath scene requires you to entirely shut your brain off for it to work as intended and bioware is not above changing things later on using the "but you were never sure" excuse

Yeah how they could justify adding all the extra exposition to dead Sheps in the control and synthesis endings and refusing to give a tiny amount of effort it would have required to integrate the breath scene into the epilogue properly is just staggering to me.

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz: "yes, he dies in all the endings. But in one ending, there's an extra scene of Shepard breathing. Clearly, it means he's definitely dead....just like all the other endings. Bioware just chose to put it in one ending"


Clearly the logic of a very smart person.

nope, just the logic of someone who does not trust Bioware right now

[VintageUtti]

PKchu wrote...

I think you could actually make it better with *5* more seconds.

Put triumphant music there instead and a hand pulling Shepard up. Just getting up. That would have even been OK, not great, but much better.

You don't even need that. Just cut to black and have audio of someone saying, "We found Shepard!"

Yes, it's frustrating that Shepard is clearly dead in the other endings and only vaguely alive in Destroy, but I think if they showed a reunion between Shepard and crew, more people would pick the Destroy ending, when at least Mac and Casey had this whole Matrix-trilogy ending in mind and wanted Shepard's sacrifice.

I thought about how it might complicate ME4 if the story takes place after ME3, but all they would need to do is throw in a line about how, "Commander Shepard ended the war with the Reapers," which would apply to all of the 3 endings. No need to mention if Shepard survived or not.

Modifié par VintageUtti, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:24 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

@Vintage: Completely right, that would have been OK too. It's the vagueness.

And Matrix ending? ...who liked the ending to the Matrix?

DeinonSlayer wrote...

. I'm telling you this for the sake of your own mental health. Carrying this much vitriol about the ending, this long after the fact - it's insane. I came to terms with it months ago. If you don't want to buy their future products, fine - but if your goal is to dissuade others, all they'll see on the boards is a rager.

I doubt this many people care for that many months at once. I think it's more a case of people lose interest, come back because of DLC like Levi, get to the end, are annoyed again and you sort of see faceless posters cycle in and out. I know I didn't look at anything Mass Effect related for months then came back later, beat the game again and was still disappointed.

And it just seems like the same people just rage for months on end, but really, MP/DLC/N7 day/giving the series a second chance just leads to people "remembering" they are unhappy. I doubt there are seriously people that invested for 10 months at a time, nonstop posting.

Modifié par PKchu, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:51 .

[MegaSovereign]

It's funny because Destroy offers the most closure out of all the endings when it comes to every other aspect. Control and Synthesis leaves some ambiguity behind the Reapers' new motives.

And then the breath scene happens. I'm on the same boat as you OP. I mean I don't need "clarification" that he lived but it would have been nice for the last scene of the game to be something like the MEHEM funeral. To keep it simple they didn't even need an LI scene. It could have just been Shepard at Anderson's funeral on London.

With the way the breath scene is right now, it feels like a cliffhanger. The ME trilogy ends on a cliffhanger. That's mildly annoying especially when we know Bioware won't expand on it.

[The Most Sneaky Of Foxes]

 This whole thread is getting a little intense. I can understand people not wanting to trust BioWare, as they haven't really done much to earn said trust, and to an extent I agree, but I've just assumed that the breath scene meant Shepard could possibly be alive, as it doesn't make sense to put that scene in if he/she dies immediately afterwards.
Then again, BioWare hasn't exactly done a lot of sensible things in the past.
I just hope - even against my better judgement - that the upcoming DLC can give people even a lick of closure, so that I'm not stuck sitting in front of my Xbox, not wanting to start another game because it still feels like I haven't finished the ME story yet.

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...
oh you mean like they added a god speech for Shepard in Control in response to the fans saying "how do we know if they are just following a single order or more?".

Actually, a better example from the EC would be the way Bio changed the Relay explosions. Some fans got the wrong idea pre-EC about the relays somehow destroying planets all over the place. It's a silly interpretation since we see that Earth and the jungle planet aren't destroyed by novas. But Bio re-did the scene to get rid of the silly interpretation rather than let people keep believing it.