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[dreamgazer]

De1ta G wrote...

Kind of strange that neither Mass Effect 1 or 2 ended on cliff hangers but Mass Effect 3, the supposed ending of the trilogy, can.

[shepskisaac]

Let me help - Shepard survived. You welcome.

[dreamgazer]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

A little bird told me that the breath scene wasn't expanded on in the EC for fear of upsetting the IT-theorists, is this true?

That rumor has been bandied about the BSN, yes, when I'd sooner believe that they wanted to maintain a balance between the three endings.  

How many people would jump-ship from the others if there was a reunion in destroy?

[De1ta G]

dreamgazer wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

Kind of strange that neither Mass Effect 1 or 2 ended on cliff hangers but Mass Effect 3, the supposed ending of the trilogy, can.

I don't consider that a cliffhanger. You already knew that the Reapers were coming, that scene just shows them.

Though if a cliffhanger to you is any ending that is suspenseful, then yes, that scene is a cliffhanger.

Modifié par De1ta G, 11 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[AlanC9]

jstme wrote...
You see Earth only BEFORE the explosion of mass relay. Normandy lands somewhere and it is not clear if they used FTL or mass relay or when they ran from the battle and where they ran from the battle and why they ran from the battle et ctr. And as you surely are aware,only type of mass relay explosion we encountered prior to ME3 endings does not wipe out galaxy, only star system the relay is in.

You have to believe two really weird things to believe in relay detonations pre-EC.

In the case of Earth, you have to believe that the Citadel Relay is magic and didn't explode like every other relay.

In the case of the jungle planet, you have to believe that the badly damaged Normandy comes out of transit in a system where the sun has just gone nova, but is still capable of FTL. Then they FTL for several hours or a couple of days before finally crashing into some jungle someplace, rather than heading to someplace with people on it, orbiting the planet, and calling for help.

[dreamgazer]

De1ta G wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

Kind of strange that neither Mass Effect 1 or 2 ended on cliff hangers but Mass Effect 3, the supposed ending of the trilogy, can.

I don't consider that a cliff hanger. You already knew that the Reapers were coming, that scene just shows them.

You can already assume that the Reapers are destroyed in the red ending, too. Shepard breathing / living is icing on the cake, just like the Reapers coming.

Conflict resolved + cliffhanger easter egg.

[kalasaurus]

The Geth Spectre wrote...

If they faded to black after ,and you heard your LI or even like a soldier yell out " we got a body over here". Then you hear " it's Shepard and he/she is breathing". Or if it was your LI saying " stay with me, we'll fix you up" that would go miles.

Oh, if only.  Something simple like that could have made EC so much better.  I don't need a whole scripted reunion, but just a small glimpse of Shepard's fate after that breath would be ideal before the credits (epecially if it's the LI or friend speaking).

[dreamgazer]

GlassElephant wrote...

The Geth Spectre wrote...

If they faded to black after ,and you heard your LI or even like a soldier yell out " we got a body over here". Then you hear " it's Shepard and he/she is breathing". Or if it was your LI saying " stay with me, we'll fix you up" that would go miles.

Oh, if only.  Something simple like that could have made EC so much better.  I don't need a whole scripted reunion, but just a small glimpse of Shepard's fate after that breath would be ideal before the credits (epecially if it's the LI or friend speaking).

I wonder what the reaction would be if the voice was Liara, and only Liara. (laughs)

[kalasaurus]

dreamgazer wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

The Geth Spectre wrote...

If they faded to black after ,and you heard your LI or even like a soldier yell out " we got a body over here". Then you hear " it's Shepard and he/she is breathing". Or if it was your LI saying " stay with me, we'll fix you up" that would go miles.

Oh, if only.  Something simple like that could have made EC so much better.  I don't need a whole scripted reunion, but just a small glimpse of Shepard's fate after that breath would be ideal before the credits (epecially if it's the LI or friend speaking).

I wonder what the reaction would be if the voice was Liara, and only Liara. (laughs)

Lol, BSN would explode in fan-rage.

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am a roleplayer, to me there is a separation between the storyteller weaving the story and the player's agency upon it.

I CAN and WILL imagine the future of my Shepard if he survives high EMS destroy but the decision of IF he survives is beyond the realm of player agency, it is up to the storytellers and they are refusing to tell me.....they want me to imagine it.


 
As I said before, fine, they can IMAGINE my 60$ for their next game and speculate as per why I bought it used, simple really.

Me:  Where's the house?
Bioware:  You have to build it yourself
Me:  DOnt' I get any tools, at least
Bioware:  Here's a hammer
Me:  A hammer?  That's it?
Bioware:  It's all you need
Me:  Dont' I at least get some nails to go with it?
Bioware:  What, do you want us to spoon-feed everything to you
Me:...
Bioware:  Oh, and by the way, that might not be a hammer.  It could be rabid weasel.  Maybe.

[HiddenInWar]

Monster_user wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Why did chris say that the breath scene is either a breath of life or a last breath before dying when it says in the actual *game guide* that 4000 EMS was surviving the explosion?

Game guide?

I bought my Copy on Origin, standard edition, would that guide be available somewhere?

You can find this at any game retailer, but I found it at Fry's, that might be one of the easier outlets to look for it. As far as I know, you can check the wiki for an online guide.

[l7986]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am a roleplayer, to me there is a separation between the storyteller weaving the story and the player's agency upon it.

I CAN and WILL imagine the future of my Shepard if he survives high EMS destroy but the decision of IF he survives is beyond the realm of player agency, it is up to the storytellers and they are refusing to tell me.....they want me to imagine it.


 
As I said before, fine, they can IMAGINE my 60$ for their next game and speculate as per why I bought it used, simple really.

Me:  Where's the house?
Bioware:  You have to build it yourself
Me:  DOnt' I get any tools, at least
Bioware:  Here's a hammer
Me:  A hammer?  That's it?
Bioware:  It's all you need
Me:  Dont' I at least get some nails to go with it?
Bioware:  What, do you want us to spoon-feed everything to you
Me:...
Bioware:  Oh, and by the way, that might not be a hammer.  It could be rabid weasel.  Maybe.

Oh god the rabid weasel part... just LOL. Also I think I know where biower is going with this. A lot of famous art was just kind of meh in its time just like ME3. Give it 100 years, and everyone will look back and say those dam fans didnt know what they were talking about.

[Malanek]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Every ending seems to have one major perk to it. Synthesis creates a perfect utopia. Arguable but that was the message it was trying to get across. And then Control turns Shepard into a Reaper god. But then the perk for the Destroy ending was Shepard living. So then why do we get this ambiguous 10 second clip of him taking a breath, and then have guys like Priestly and Gamble say it could be his last breath.

The perk for taking the destroy ending was that the Reapers were destroyed. You know, what you were trying to do through all 3 games. The Breath scene is a little bit extra which is left to your imagination, you made the decision expecting you would die.

The other endings provided alternative solutions but one could argue that they were much riskier. For instance when I first played the ending I was trying to decide between Destroy and Control (after instantly dismissing Synthesis). Before the extended cut I considered Control the best ending. You could achieve everything that destroy could achieve (by sending the Reapers flying into the sun) without the collateral. But before you know the ending, when you are actually making that choice for the first time, it was much riskier and seemed to risky for me. Then when the EC comes out it clearly shows that God-Shep chooses not to destroy the Reapers under control. Is it really Shepard in control or has he/she been altered so much? 

Modifié par Malanek999, 11 janvier 2013 - 02:11 .

[marcustheMezz]

 Fool! damn near a year and you still don't understand!?!
LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYBODY!!

[sr2josh]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

So then why do we get this ambiguous 10 second clip of him taking a breath, and then have guys like Priestly and Gamble say it could be his last breath.

.

Please don't listen to what Priestly says.  He's an internet forum moderator that thinks he is much more than.

[hiraeth]

Malanek999 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Every ending seems to have one major perk to it. Synthesis creates a perfect utopia. Arguable but that was the message it was trying to get across. And then Control turns Shepard into a Reaper god. But then the perk for the Destroy ending was Shepard living. So then why do we get this ambiguous 10 second clip of him taking a breath, and then have guys like Priestly and Gamble say it could be his last breath.

The perk for taking the destroy ending was that the Reapers were destroyed. You know, what you were trying to do through all 3 games. The Breath scene is a little bit extra which is left to your imagination, you made the decision expecting you would die.

[snip]

I guess the debatable point is whether the "little bit extra which is left to your imagination" did more harm than good. If it indeed IS intended to show that Shepard might be alive, and it serves as appeasement for players who really wanted Shepard to survive, then--for some--it didn't even do that. This is largely due to the way that Destroys plays out- you expect me to believe that Shepard can survive Harbinger's beam/the Destroy tube exploding in his/her face/parts of the Citadel blowing up lolwut? OK, let's say I buy that Shepard can be alive, all I get is an ambiguous scene with a single breath? The recently-created MEHEM mod shows Shepard back on the ship putting up the names of the deceased, and this is really all that we see of Shepard, and it does a much better job of getting the point across that Shepard survived without compromising the integrity or the philosophical/galactic implications of choosing Destroy.

If the breath scene is meant to imply that Shepard is dead (e.g., last breath), then forget what I said above. Though like many others, I doubt BW would bother to include a scene like that and expect players to infer that Shepard dies. Why have it there at all? We all assumed Shepard was going to die in destroy...not only because of the sheer physics of how it plays out, but also because the Catalyst implies that we will with the "Even you are partly synthetic" line. 

Modifié par MassEffectFShep, 11 janvier 2013 - 02:31 .

[crimzontearz]

screw it I am gonna play halo 4 or RE6 for the night and check this tomorrow morning ....the more I think about this **** the angrier I get and there seems to be no upper limit

[Archonsg]

Malanek999 wrote...

Then when the EC comes out it clearly shows that God-Shep chooses not to destroy the Reapers under control. Is it really Shepard in control or has he/she been altered so much? 

It is not Shepard but a VI/AI created by the Catalyst with I assume Reaper code abd priorities, just with Shepard's personality.

Just like Sovereign thought they were each independent, each a nation, Sheaper *thinks* his in control. His coding may say otherwise though.

Just a possibility.

[Malanek]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I guess the debatable point is whether the "little bit extra which is left to your imagination" did more harm than good. If it indeed IS intended to show that Shepard might be alive, and it serves as appeasement for players who really wanted Shepard to survive, then--for some--it didn't even do that. This is largely due to the way that Destroys plays out- you expect me to believe that Shepard can survive Harbinger's beam/the Destroy tube exploding in his/her face/parts of the Citadel blowing up lolwut? OK, let's say I buy that Shepard can be alive, all I get is an ambiguous scene with a single breath? The recently-created MEHEM mod shows Shepard back on the ship putting up the names of the deceased, and this is really all that we see of Shepard, and it does a much better job of getting the point across that Shepard survived without compromising the integrity or the philosophical/galactic implications of choosing Destroy.

If the breath scene is meant to imply that Shepard is dead (e.g., last breath), then forget what I said above. Though like many others, I doubt BW would bother to include a scene like that and expect players to infer that Shepard dies. Why have it there at all? We all assumed Shepard was going to die in destroy...not only because of the sheer physics of how it plays out, but also because the Catalyst implies that we will with the "Even you are partly synthetic" line. 

I didn't mind the breath scene. Personally I think it implies that Shepard was alive but to me that wasn't even important. It took extra ems points to get it, Shepards name wasn't put up on the wall, and if the crucible was powerful enough to destroy all reapers across the galaxy how could it have left shep intact enough to even take a last breath? It is ambiguous but for that I didn't mind ambiguity.

What I really wanted more were answers to what was going to happen in the galaxy next. I feel Control and Synthesis, and even Refuse, were given significantly more in the EC in this regard. But for Destroy it sounds like we are going to have to wait a long time to find out anything.

Modifié par Malanek999, 11 janvier 2013 - 02:52 .

[Malanek]

Archonsg wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Then when the EC comes out it clearly shows that God-Shep chooses not to destroy the Reapers under control. Is it really Shepard in control or has he/she been altered so much? 

It is not Shepard but a VI/AI created by the Catalyst with I assume Reaper code abd priorities, just with Shepard's personality.

Just like Sovereign thought they were each independent, each a nation, Sheaper *thinks* his in control. His coding may say otherwise though.

Just a possibility.

Yes, I agree that is a possibility. For me it is reinforced because Shepard didn't do the very first (and only?) action that I intended Shepard to take - Destroy the Reapers.

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

screw it I am gonna play halo 4 or RE6 for the night and check this tomorrow morning ....the more I think about this **** the angrier I get and there seems to be no upper limit

What makes you think things will be different tomorrow morning?

[MattFini]

IsaacShep wrote...

Let me help - Shepard survived. You welcome.

/thread

[spirosz]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

screw it I am gonna play halo 4 or RE6 for the night and check this tomorrow morning ....the more I think about this **** the angrier I get and there seems to be no upper limit

What makes you think things will be different tomorrow morning?

If you think about, it takes a lot of work of oneself to drown in this constent mindset.  

As I stated before - I understand the need for that clarification, but honestly, if you want him to live, headcannon that he lives, I don't see the point of making it so hard on yourself to prove yourself otherwise, just because "realistically" it would be near impossible to survive those odds, doesn't mean that you can't fantasize he/she lives. 

There are important times to use imagination and I truly believe this is one of them.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Shepard is alive, if you go hunting through the files on PC, you will see something similar to male_shepard_alive004.bik. The bik extension is a video format, use Bink Video Player. You will see Shepard breathing.