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[Animositisomina]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Shepard is alive, if you go hunting through the files on PC, you will see something similar to male_shepard_alive004.bik. The bik extension is a video format, use Bink Video Player. You will see Shepard breathing.

Sure, alive in that moment, but what about a few moments later? He could be alive in the scene, take one last breath, and then die.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Animositisomina wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Shepard is alive, if you go hunting through the files on PC, you will see something similar to male_shepard_alive004.bik. The bik extension is a video format, use Bink Video Player. You will see Shepard breathing.

Sure, alive in that moment, but what about a few moments later? He could be alive in the scene, take one last breath, and then die.

He will survive with the help of the same force field that protected him from Harby's blast and atmospheric reentry. If none of these things ever happened in ME I'd probably be thinking he'd die a sad death. But now? Nah.. I'm sure he survived. Atleast mine did. And had blue kids too.

[tooducks58]

JadeShepard wrote...

Yate wrote...

guys

it's a scifi series

if it's breathing

it's alive

And who's arguing that Shepard isn't alive? Surely you have to be alive to breath right?

None of this automatically means that they survive.

Its alive!! But it can't move because all its bones are broken from the collapse of the citadle and the shutdown of all its cybernetics.

Modifié par drearmouse96, 11 janvier 2013 - 05:56 .

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote... 

How many people would jump-ship from the others if there was a reunion in destroy?

How dare people want a happier ending than the multicolored grimness that is Mass Effect's art?

But seriously, if that's the reason, then clearly Bioware isnt' as confident of thir choice of endings, especially Control and Synthesis, as tehy appear.

[CronoDragoon]

Mindset of interest: People wanting a post-breath scene with Shepard alive so badly, they'll do anything to prove the inviability of precisely such a scene now.

[RoNiN2X]

As has been mentioned before, I think the breath scene is meant for more IT fuel. Going forward, I think Bioware could do amazing things if they could keep it as ambiguous as possible which ending you're actually in. First off, In ME4, Shepard and his crew are thought to be KIA. (I figure they could be stranded on the planet, for a time, and pretty hard to find. Lots could be done with that)

Maybe only some people look like synthesis people, and some don't. Maybe they're all sorts of colors too for some reason. Maybe its shown that reapers can be reprogrammed to work for us, even in the Destroy option (Admiral Daro'Xen of the quarians would be all over that) since they dont really explode so much as shut down in ME3. 

And maybe, if you work really hard, in the next game your character, at the end of the game, meets a mysterious figure who could be Shepard or maybe Garrus? And they welcome you aboard the Normandy for a new adventure? Maybe a quest to find Shepard? Maybe to go stop the new cuttlefish/leviathin threat? Or Dark energy. Just dark energy. Thats all i have to say about that. 

Point is, as been said, no matter what happend to Shepard in the Destroy ending, the galaxy could bring him back. If ME2 has anything to say, this was like a concussion compared to that, IMO. Control and Synthesis leave Shepard pretty dead or gone, but destroy is just an explosion which didnt even destroy the citidal. They'd bring him back which is why, in the next game, if the whole thing were a mystery as to whether YOU know Shepard is alive or not, I think would be fantastic. 

Modifié par RoNiN2X, 11 janvier 2013 - 07:38 .

[jstme]

AlanC9 wrote...

jstme wrote...
You see Earth only BEFORE the explosion of mass relay. Normandy lands somewhere and it is not clear if they used FTL or mass relay or when they ran from the battle and where they ran from the battle and why they ran from the battle et ctr. And as you surely are aware,only type of mass relay explosion we encountered prior to ME3 endings does not wipe out galaxy, only star system the relay is in.

You have to believe two really weird things to believe in relay detonations pre-EC.

In the case of Earth, you have to believe that the Citadel Relay is magic and didn't explode like every other relay.

In the case of the jungle planet, you have to believe that the badly damaged Normandy comes out of transit in a system where the sun has just gone nova, but is still capable of FTL. Then they FTL for several hours or a couple of days before finally crashing into some jungle someplace, rather than heading to someplace with people on it, orbiting the planet, and calling for help.

Ending is full of weird things, and seeing is beliving.
Here is what i saw - Crucible fires first wave that deactivates the reapers and then it sends second signal to mass relay to transmit the signal to other relays which causes overload and blows the relay up.
It is cool that you understood right away that Citadel mass relay is involved and not just crucible. Can't say the same for me. 
And Normandy part still makes no sense, even more so in original endings. They could have FTL to system without relay,but being damaged from the wave that hit them in system with relay they were traveling through, getting anywhere else that still had people was out of question. 
To remind you:
"sort of,it would be kind of a boring to play DLC sort of just looking at the wasteland . That will be a DLC if we did after...."
Mass Effect Lead Writer ,prior to release of the game. 
If relays did not went arrival-style in all civilisation centers - it would not be wasteland. Look at Earth - Big Ben is still there after first wave. Phone booths are there,too. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

You never see Shepard in any post-breath material... If he's alive, where is he?

You'd think that saving the galaxy would have earned at least a medal or something...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 11 janvier 2013 - 11:04 .

[Aetika]

If people would want to jump the ship, why couldn´t they? Why there have to be 33% for control, 33% for destroy and 33% for synthesis? I mean, if anything else, it shows, that ending with Shepard and crew reunion would be probably more demanded then other endings. But why not? People want reunion, BW know it would make them happy and they purposely don´t give it to them. It just seems like really strange strategy.

Modifié par Aetika, 11 janvier 2013 - 01:43 .

[RoNiN2X]

 You never see Shepard in any post-breath material... If he's alive, where is he?

You'd think that saving the galaxy would have earned at least a medal or something...

Maybe his crew found him, and they're now kicking it on the beach on their new private planet? I think Bioware wants to keep his ultimate fate a mystery going forward. At least for awhile.

Aetika wrote...

If people would want to jump the ship, why couldn´t they? Why there have to be 33% for control, 33% for destroy and 33% for synthesis? I mean, if anything else, it shows, that ending with reunion would be probably more demanded then other endings. But why not? People want reunion, BW know it would make them happy and they purposely don´t give it to them. It just seems like really strange strategy.

The game does end with reunion. You see the krogans mobilizing and repopulating Tuchunka. The Quarians on a now recivilized Rannoch. The Crucible, and even Thessiah is rebuilt. I know in the control ending, it shows them rebuilding the relays. In Destroy, Hackitt clearly says that "Everything that was destroyed can be rebuilt."

Modifié par RoNiN2X, 11 janvier 2013 - 11:39 .

[crimzontearz]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

screw it I am gonna play halo 4 or RE6 for the night and check this tomorrow morning ....the more I think about this **** the angrier I get and there seems to be no upper limit

What makes you think things will be different tomorrow morning?

well first off I get to sleep holding my wife with our dogs curled at our feet. VERY relaxing, you should try it.  

secondly playing games that reminds me that there are franchises that will not toss you a middle finger at the end helps a little 

[Aetika]

RoNiN2X wrote...

 You never see Shepard in any post-breath material... If he's alive, where is he?

You'd think that saving the galaxy would have earned at least a medal or something...

Maybe his crew found him, and they're now kicking it on the beach on their new private planet? I think Bioware wants to keep his ultimate fate a mystery going forward. At least for awhile.

Aetika wrote...

If people would want to jump the ship, why couldn´t they? Why there have to be 33% for control, 33% for destroy and 33% for synthesis? I mean, if anything else, it shows, that ending with reunion would be probably more demanded then other endings. But why not? People want reunion, BW know it would make them happy and they purposely don´t give it to them. It just seems like really strange strategy.

The game does end with reunion. You see the krogans mobilizing and repopulating Tuchunka. The Quarians on a now recivilized Rannoch. The Crucible, and even Thessiah is rebuilt. I know in the control ending, it shows them rebuilding the relays. In Destroy, Hackitt clearly says that "Everything that was destroyed can be rebuilt."

Em, I meant Shepard/crew reunion. I will edit my post.

Modifié par Aetika, 11 janvier 2013 - 01:44 .

[Almostfaceman]

IsaacShep wrote...

Let me help - Shepard survived. You welcome.

Yup that's why I laid down my $80, so you could tell me Shephard survived. <_<

[DextroDNA]

pirate1802 wrote...
He will survive with the help of the same force field that protected him from Harby's blast and atmospheric reentry. If none of these things ever happened in ME I'd probably be thinking he'd die a sad death. But now? Nah.. I'm sure he survived. Atleast mine did. And had blue kids too.

I have NEVER laughed so hard.

Force field that protected him for Harby's blast? Then this imaginary force field was still operational and saved him from dying upon atmospheric re-entry?

Oh God, that is great.

[Taboo]

They were trying to be arty. All the breath scene is is a very pretentious way of saying "He's alive and he's going to be just fine".

See also:

Far Cry 2
Blade Runner
2001: A Space Odyssey
The films of Michael Haneke

[AlanC9]

jstme wrote...
Ending is full of weird things, and seeing is beliving.
Here is what i saw - Crucible fires first wave that deactivates the reapers and then it sends second signal to mass relay to transmit the signal to other relays which causes overload and blows the relay up.

It is cool that you understood right away that Citadel mass relay is involved and not just crucible. Can't say the same for me.

Didn't play ME1? If you didn't play ME1 that's a fairly obscure plot point, yeah.

And Normandy part still makes no sense, even more so in original endings. They could have FTL to system without relay,but being damaged from the wave that hit them in system with relay they were traveling through, getting anywhere else that still had people was out of question. 

The simplest explanation is that the relay took them to a system with an inhabitable planet in the first place. According the Codex there is one human colony within range of the Charon Relay. So that's where they went. 

[Peranor]

RussianZombeh wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
He will survive with the help of the same force field that protected him from Harby's blast and atmospheric reentry. If none of these things ever happened in ME I'd probably be thinking he'd die a sad death. But now? Nah.. I'm sure he survived. Atleast mine did. And had blue kids too.

I have NEVER laughed so hard.

Force field that protected him for Harby's blast? Then this imaginary force field was still operational and saved him from dying upon atmospheric re-entry?

Oh God, that is great.

well... It has to be something 

[Belisarius25]

How Shepard survives:

As they're walking down the path to the destroy tube, Jacob comes running up behind them, having been trapped on the Citadel when the Reapers moved it.

J: "Not letting you die before you meet my future child, Shepard Taylor."
S(disgusted face): "That's not how you name a child, Jacob, my name is..."
J: "Shepard. But there's no time for this. THROWIN DOWN A BARRIER"
*explosion*
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Problem solved.

[Elorin Silverblade]

lol nice

Modifié par Elorin Silverblade, 12 janvier 2013 - 12:13 .

[macrocarl]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...


I imagine Bio just figured that people would interpret that scene the way they'd interpret such a scene in a movie or TV show. In other media Shepard would be obviously alive.

Such scenes are generally reserved for monsters, axe-wielding psychopaths, and other unsavory beings the protagonist spends much of the story trying to put in the ground in the first place.  This doesn't speak highly of Shepard.

My renegade Shep would agree about being a monster.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

How the hell did he survive anyway? The Citadel gets destroyed and he somehow ends up on earth buried under some rubble. What the hell?

[macrocarl]

Almostfaceman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Let me help - Shepard survived. You welcome.

Yup that's why I laid down my $80, so you could tell me Shephard survived. <_<

And the whole issue I think people who are unhappy with Destroy is they want to be told explicitly but that's not what we got. Did you really not think of that as a possibility with the scene though? I'm asking because I'm curious who actually didn't 'get it' vs. didn't like it. No offense meant, to be clear I actually am curious.

[kalasaurus]

Belisarius25 wrote...

How Shepard survives:

As they're walking down the path to the destroy tube, Jacob comes running up behind them, having been trapped on the Citadel when the Reapers moved it.

J: "Not letting you die before you meet my future child, Shepard Taylor."
S(disgusted face): "That's not how you name a child, Jacob, my name is..."
J: "Shepard. But there's no time for this. THROWIN DOWN A BARRIER"
*explosion*
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Problem solved.

Shepard: What the hell was that?
Jacob: Gravity's one mean mutha.
Shepard: Oh for the love of God, get me out of here.
Jacob: Have nice trip

[Belisarius25]

GlassElephant wrote...

Belisarius25 wrote...

How Shepard survives:

As they're walking down the path to the destroy tube, Jacob comes running up behind them, having been trapped on the Citadel when the Reapers moved it.

J: "Not letting you die before you meet my future child, Shepard Taylor."
S(disgusted face): "That's not how you name a child, Jacob, my name is..."
J: "Shepard. But there's no time for this. THROWIN DOWN A BARRIER"
*explosion*
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Problem solved.

Shepard: What the hell was that?
Jacob: Gravity's one mean mutha.
Shepard: Oh for the love of God, get me out of here.
Jacob: Have nice trip

Rejoice, fans of Jacob, for he has been redeemed
 

Modifié par Belisarius25, 12 janvier 2013 - 02:01 .