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Why We Don't Get Over It - But Why We Should


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 There is, friend, a very big reason why so many people are still pissed about the ending. There is a reason why they don't get over it, why they constantly come on here and complain. It's not about being a hater, it's not about trolling, and it's not about being part of some great righteous cause - the reason you feel like that is in fact due to Bioware's writing talents.

What, you say? Writing talents? The guys who wrote this ****ty ending? Well, first off, the two guys who wrote that little diddy didn't write much else, that was done by others. And it was those others that make you so passionate to criticize the ending constantly and demand a better one.

People like Mass Effect for one main reason: the character interaction, not the plot. If everyone came for the plot, ME2 would not be seen as a shining jewel of games. Mass Effect stands among a very select few games (along with The Walking Dead and Journey, personally) that have made players emotionally attached to and invested in the characters, something that most games don't do. Mass Effect is special for that reason - it's why you love it so.

Now, I can understand disliking the ending from a critical perspective for all its thematic leaps, plot holes and contrivances, and that's all fine. But people have a lingering, passionate hatred for this ending, and that is not simply the result of a badly written ending. We've all seen movies and read books that were ****, we lamented that they wrecked a perfectly good series or premise, but we get over it because it's just a story. But Mass Effect is different because of the character focus. At the end, the characters (including Shepard himself) are shoved off to the side so as to focus entirely on the plot and explain what is happening. Coupled with bad writing, the ending simply does not give us our emotional closure and connection to the characters we love so much, so we leave the ending not only thinking that the ending itself was bad, but also that we are emotionally unfulfilled because we no endgame character interaction to bring everything full circle and provide closure. We are left feeling empty - and this is why we continue to hate it.

If you forget your love of the characters and simply look at the ending, you should realize that, yeah, it's just another stupid Gainax Sci Fi ending. Nothing new there. Tons of them. Just a **** up by a couple of idiots who thought this would be cool. You'll laugh at it - because it's dumb. 

So instead of continuing to rave on about the ending, just look at it for what it is ( a classic big dumb sci fi ending) and praise Mass Effect for what makes it so good - the characters we all know and love. Surely all that good stuff that makes up the remainder of the game and indeed the series should not be permanently tainted by a dumb ending - it's dumb, you should laugh at it, not rage.^_^

Be grateful that it went that long before something retarded came up. Most sci fi doesn't last halfway.

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Honestly, it has nothing to do with any of that for me. I continue bashing to encourage better effort in the future.

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It happens with a lot of games, movies and books. For ME3 it's nothing really new.
When Transformers: Dark of the Moon came out, people would **** and whinge about. It was a Michael Bay movie, so the story wasn't that strong but it was an enjoyable movie. People would start pointing out the plotholes or stupid things within the movie, such as Sam killing Starscream. First you focus on the big things, but as you further your arguments and opinions you begin to further analyze the game. And when you begin to analyze games too deeply, you get three things: you notice more minor issues, you notice more clever little things, and you get player made theories.
With Mass Effect 3, a lot of people didn't like the ending. We don't really have statistics as to how many, but it is a very vocal crowd on BSN. When people started hating on the ending, they begin to analyze the game and find more flaws/things they didn't like. And suddenly, people aren't just hating the ending, they're hating a wide variety of things within the game. Many of the people who hated/disliked the game would've probably judged many of the little things as negligible. Then they reached the ending and then it flares up.
It will probably take a long time for people to get over it. The same old threads will pop up. Ignore them or join in the fun.

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Honestly, it has nothing to do with any of that for me. I continue bashing to encourage better effort in the future.


I think you will generally find that ****ting on someone's yard day after day isn't exactly going to encourage them to put in the Kentucky Bluegrass you want there.

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ME3 being the last and final of its series should of given us a ending with a closure.
But instead bioware has given us an ending leaving lots of things unexplained..... its like me3 never ended at all.

All 4 choices on the ending left a sour taste.

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chemiclord wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Honestly, it has nothing to do with any of that for me. I continue bashing to encourage better effort in the future.


I think you will generally find that ****ting on someone's yard day after day isn't exactly going to encourage them to put in the Kentucky Bluegrass you want there.



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chemiclord wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Honestly, it has nothing to do with any of that for me. I continue bashing to encourage better effort in the future.


I think you will generally find that ****ting on someone's yard day after day isn't exactly going to encourage them to put in the Kentucky Bluegrass you want there.


I'm not that particular, I just want them to be aware of the "****" on their yardImage IPB.  Even more-so, they need to realize that they put it there, I'm just calling their attention to it should they ever eventually wonder what the smell is.Image IPB



You'd be surprised how easy it is to save money and gimp things out if you think customers will still pay for it and stay quiet about it.  I'd rather not see the industry go that way...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:29 .


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You're not going to find any sense OP.

Something about ****ing and whining because that means people "care" and maybe even a mention of "true fans", but no actual rational explanation as to why people wont move on.

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Most people have moved on by now I think (the bashing/negative comments concerning ME3 at this point generally aren't with any hope of seeing a change to ME3). I give Bioware both praise and critique, but praise has been the only thing Bioware wants to hear right now (which is not conductive to growth).

But if they ever decide to aim higher, they'll eventually have to move away from the "yes-men" and look at problems people had with what they've done. They had their backlash for a reason and that deserves something other than revisionist history. It's nothing to take personally though, just something that's hopefully addressed next time... and all in good fun.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:38 .


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Something this magnitude of retarded came out of nowhere. That's why people hate it. It simply is unprecedented in the ME universe prior to all this, and it's completely baffling how horrific it is.

Modifié par XxBrokenBonezxX, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:40 .


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Mass Effect was an unprecedented experiment in player investment over years. That's why it's difficult to get over. And yeah, it used to be very good.

But why assume the ending is what it is because a couple of guys thought 'it would be cool'? There is just so much wrong with it that it would be incredible if there was no intention to just sabotage it with any old garbage that happened to be lying around.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:45 .


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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Most people have moved on by now I think (the bashing/negative comments concerning ME3 at this point generally aren't with any hope of seeing a change to ME3). I give Bioware both praise and critique, but praise has been the only thing Bioware wants to hear right now (which is not conductive to growth).


I'm not sure how you have reached that conclusion.  They have been just as receptive and talkative to praise as criticism.... which is to say not at all.

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I have no problem with the ending, because i don't see it. I reached the star child once on my 3 playthroughs. For me, the ending of the series is right before the final mission, where you talk to your squad. After that, i can simply create things in my head. You said something completely right: Mass Effect is about characters; not only your team or your crew, but the heroes of books and comics too. That's why ME3 ends (for me) when your relation with them ends. Anything further can be imagined.

Modifié par eduardogranja, 10 janvier 2013 - 04:58 .


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The original ending was unacceptable. Seriously, Mac should've been slapped for that (and I am in jest, but ... it didn't fulfill the definition of ENDING. No falling action, just an abrupt cutoff and no idea what happened next).

This current ending? With EC? I can accept it. I think we'd still have complaints if it shipped like that, but it would at least be within reason. As opposed to mass attempts to get refunds, bribery by pastry, and the like.

EDIT: I just realized how long it's been since I posted in the forums, I still have my Retake ME banner!

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SpamBot2000 wrote...

Mass Effect was an unprecedented experiment in player investment over years. That's why it's difficult to get over.

And why assume the ending is what it is because a couple of guys thought 'it would be cool'? There is just so much wrong with it that it would be incredible if there was no intention to just sabotage it with any old garbage that happened to be lying around.


Which is why I suspect a money-based incentive for the endings we received.  Why make something as complex as ME2's suicide mission when you can just deux ex it and call it a day?  Save potentially millions on epilogue cutscenes, dialogue trees, boss battles, cutscenes (because making them really different costs money), etc. and just throw something together that consolodates it more (who cares if there are a few plot holes/gaps/inconsistencies that stand in the way?).

They already opted to sell some of the game as Day 1 DLC (could have been free) and EA has already cut costs by removing physical manuels for their games.  Pre-orders were already healthy so why put in more effort?


... just a theory... Image IPB

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OH GOD NO. NOT THE PHYSICAL MANUALS.

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chemiclord wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Most people have moved on by now I think (the bashing/negative comments concerning ME3 at this point generally aren't with any hope of seeing a change to ME3). I give Bioware both praise and critique, but praise has been the only thing Bioware wants to hear right now (which is not conductive to growth).


I'm not sure how you have reached that conclusion.  They have been just as receptive and talkative to praise as criticism.... which is to say not at all.


Well... Bioware has been seen touting their press reviews and awards in the face of the backlash while marginalizing the overwhelmingly negative initial user response.

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David7204 wrote...

OH GOD NO. NOT THE PHYSICAL MANUALS.


I know I know... it'll be okay.Image IPB

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They released the Extended Cut. That should make it pretty clear they didn't marginalize the backlash.

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David7204 wrote...

They released the Extended Cut. That should make it pretty clear they didn't marginalize the backlash.


The Extended Cut only proved that the backlash wasn't marginal... but they did marginalize it (hopefully that makes sense).Image IPB


Even now (like right now), Amazon.com's top 3 review quotes read:

And no matter your choices and decisions in the game, the ending is the same. ” K. Patrick | 579 reviewers made a similar statement

I would give the game 5 stars if it was not for that awful, terrible ending. ” Ty Duersch | 166 reviewers made a similar statement

Not only would i not recommend buying this game, i would recommend not buying the series as it will build you up with expectation and then dash them at the end. ” long term user | 155 reviewers made a similar statement

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No, it doesn't make sense. Do you understand what the word 'marginalize' means? Because spending a great deal of money to make content and releasing it for free in response to a group's complaints is not 'marginalizing' that group.

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 Man, The Walking Dead is an incredible experience.

And ... dat ending. :crying:

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David7204 wrote...

No, it doesn't make sense. Do you understand what the word 'marginalize' means? Because spending a great deal of money to make content and releasing it for free in response to a group's complaints is not 'marginalizing' that group.


Think about it a bit more.  The people who had beef with the ending were considered to be a very small group of angry people by Bioware... whom they would oblidge anyway (on their own terms)... despite their perfect scores and press reviews.  That's marginalizing the outcry.  Just because something is marginalized doesn't mean it can't be addressed... but they addressed it in a way you don't do for a marginal audience... as you have stated.

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So...wait...you're saying they considered people upset by the ending a small group but treated them like a big group?

Modifié par David7204, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:36 .


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Well, with holiday sales, and Trilogy, and GOTY editions, there are likely still players experiencing this thing for the first time.

I played ME3 for the first time, in December. Been avoiding it because of the ending, until I could come up with a theory that could justify the ending, had to be better than Indoc, or Hallucination, though not without elements.

Still trying to make it make sense,...

Modifié par Monster_user, 10 janvier 2013 - 05:37 .