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[HolyAvenger]

Stinja wrote...

I understand what you're saying, carrying vs scoring high, and it is less fun if you're forth and running from A to B and only finding corpses - but the OP asked for "typical PUG shots".  
If one person knows the spawn mechanics, and has the right kit -> map -> weapons -> consumables, and the others dont, that's still relevant to how some PUGs are not knowledagable or dont have appropriate kits.  

Two equally good players. Goddess/Reapers/Gold. One is playing a Drell Adept and one is playing a Batarian Sentinel. The Drell Adept should be outscoring the BatSent at a rate of 2-to-1.

Are you advocating that good players should only play certain, powerful kits?

[X2-Elijah]

Stinja wrote...


One has to query, should they be playing at that difficulty? 

Yes, they should. Just because they don't play characters that can instaclear all spawns doesn't mean they should not play on gold. Without one spawnhogger, they might as well have had no problems and enjoyed a far more fun match.

I really resent this elitism that if a player can't facestride everything and hog up spawns, they shouldn't be playing on gold.

[IllusiveManJr]

I wouldn't classify the Alliance Engineer as a spawnhogger. I played the Shadow, Justicar, and Phoenix Adept today with Zero and some other forumers. Those matches went well. I wouldn't put them in the spawn decimator category either. You don't need to have a class like that to be successful on Gold.

It just seems like survival skills are something that a lot of people trying to play Gold need to work on. I think learning to stay alive is one of the key things to being successful on Gold. If you're using all of your medigels by the end of wave six, something is wrong. Same thing if you are almost out or out of missiles.


Also as I've said in a lot of other threads, as long as you're contributing to the match I don't mind or think less of you. The only time I classify a PUG/Random/whatever you want to call them is when they can't get a bronze+ assist or bronze+ kill medal. (As in they could shoot 10 enemies the whole match)

[Ryumanjisen]

 Just another day on the job...



Yeah, 37:29 on White. We had some problems during wave 10 (two of my teammates died and we had to remove the four indoctrination booster the Volus and myself) and I had to solo the last enemies from waves 7 and 8.

But overall, my comrades wasn't bad at all. In fact, these Volus adept soloed the rest of wave 10 after we finally got the booster down...and he did an impressive job. I didn't think I had to "carry" them, no matter how high my score was.

Modifié par Ryumanjisen, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:14 .

[longgamma]

Lord Sirian , would you mind a plat duo with me? Will add you on Origin

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

If I even get a full lobby before starting the match and end with a full lobby its a good day. I've been doing a lot of solo or partner matches because of often my teammates pull gutsy moves and/or refuse to medigel. On the bright side I've learned how to play the Geth Soldier and Drell Infiltrator very well.

[mrs_anomaly]

 






I played two games last night and then signed off and went to bed :innocent: So these are the best PUG's I've played in a month probably. They are long- on both games one with Geth and the other with Collectors- we had entire team wipeouts due to the grenades from bombers or Scions. Also on the Geth game on Vancouver we got stuck in the office and flanked by Geth Primes and into a chain res situation from hell. 

The only reason we didn't wipe on Geth/Vancouver is because of I brought Armored Compartments. And if I know I'm going to be in a group of random players- I always bring Armored Compartments. 

- I've run into PUG's that have been so bad that we all wiped on wave 5. I know I shouldn't talk! I should just be able to carry all and every of them right? Well bad things happen to decent players too  and I can only rage gel so many times before it's Critical Mission Failure with a bunch of people who cannot coordinate or get through a Gold match. 

- In both of those games I had one of my best XBOX friends- he was leveling up one of his classes that he was unfamiliar with.. 

- In both of these games there was one other really decent player who revived and used consumables. The lowest score in both games came from the person who generally had to be carried and did a lot of stupid things and evidently were unfamiliar with their classes. We revived the hell out of that 4th ball and chain. 

So while these games were pretty rough I count them as successes  We got to extraction on both, the only partial IIRC was because my friend spaced out and wasn't in the circle 

@IllusiveMan11 You're right- I have found myself doing this a lot lately and it's a bad habit. Med gel discipline will make my games go smoother because I have a trigger finger on the med gels. 


PS: Games with my friends typically run 16-22 min for Gold. Usually 20-30 for Plat (lower end typically). 

Modifié par mrs_anomaly, 10 janvier 2013 - 02:38 .

[SoulGuard03]

Don't think I've had a gold run longer than 29-30 minutes. Insta kills skyrocket in wves 6-9, but a good objective round 10 (target elimination, or escort) can gain a lot of time back, if you have a good team.

I've encountered a lot of "run and gun soldiers-vanguards" lately, who think they can run the map and get all the kills solo, only to have us run out and revive them after they've been overwhelmed on the far side of the map... even in wave 8!!

Still, fun times. I just wish more people would stick together in gold and plat.

[Koenig888]

Happy Shepard wrote...

Why is it possible that somebody can score 200k in a Gold PUG and the match takes 30mins?

To get 200K in a Gold PUG, (1) make sure you are good enough to solo Gold; (2) use level III and IV consumables only; (3) host with a crappy connection; and (4) find some really lousy team-mates, preferably those who refuse to use consumables.  

[IllusiveManJr]

AkuIaTubShark wrote...

 This, is the reason why I don't PuG Golds anymore.And I'm amazed your igloo up there has internet good enough to not lag out in the first place . 

Almost missed this gem. 

Ever since I moved out of the city a few months ago I've had to make do with this third world connection. Luckily it hasn't given me too much trouble and it's not too bad. Finding a good lobby (nice connection to the host) takes me a little longer, but oh well. 

Also it's only -27 Fahrenheit here. That's a heat wave this time of the year here. 

[Swan Killer]

PhoenixUK wrote...

4ut0b4hn5child27 wrote...


where this scene come from?

looks like when youre on the lift in citadel during cerberus coup attempt, trying to reach udina and council before kai leng

But how the f is Kaiden there? He either kicking it (not) on Virmire, or protecting the Council. He can't be part of the team, when we ride up that elevator.

[Maveric11]

Went looking for a noob lobby because it's a good challenge. U/reapers/gold
I couldn't see what they had because I was getting gear on while they tried to ready up.
Game starts and 1 of them starts whining about their last game going so bad and it better not be the same. They all used missiles as soon as a brute showed up. They all kept dropping like flies. But they at least played the objective

Hack/hack/target

my Valkyrie

[HoochieHamiltoe]

OP, 34 minute gold game? Seriously L2P.

[IllusiveManJr]

Shawn22OS wrote...

OP, 34 minute gold game? Seriously L2P.

U know wut u need to do? 
LRN2CombatDrone 

[UEG Donkey]

HolyAvenger wrote...

X2-Elijah wrote...

Just a random footnote - I've been in a scarce few missions where there is one player that is obviously better and tends to get all the kills.. Just due to having the right kit, and the right skillset and strategies.
Now, I don't begrudge them their fun, but.. Please don't brag about "having to carry the game". It is not carrying, you just zip off and hog all the action for yourself. Mad props for being able to do it, sure, but don't assume that the rest are noobs or suckers. Maybe you just don't even let any enemies get even close to the other players, and they simply can't score without resorting to leroying all over the place - a thing that their specs and builds and habits might not work for.

So, yeah. If I see a scoring list with 3 players at, say, 50k score, and one with more than 3 times as much, and that one player does not have 15 revive medals, then I won't think "Oh that match had three bad leeches", I'll think "Oh that match had one gloryhogging jerk".

And that's coming from someone who can get to topscoring place with the right kit (in before the "lol lrn 2 play nub").

This is true. For me a true carry in a Gold+ game is indicated by the time. If you finished in less than 24 mins, then your team wasn't dying much, and hence not leaving you to solo waves, and hence all that happened was you were the best spawn-nuker. Cool story and all bosh'tet, but not carrying.

35-min Gold game, where you outscored the other three players combined? Yeah, your back must be sore...

^This, time+score is a much better indicator of being carried.

[HoochieHamiltoe]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Shawn22OS wrote...

OP, 34 minute gold game? Seriously L2P.

U know wut u need to do? 
LRN2CombatDrone 

inb4ucantsoloplatinum.

[IllusiveManJr]

Shawn22OS wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Shawn22OS wrote...

OP, 34 minute gold game? Seriously L2P.

U know wut u need to do? 
LRN2CombatDrone 

inb4ucantsoloplatinum.

*dispatching Kai Leng to your location* 

[Stinja]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Two equally good players. Goddess/Reapers/Gold. One is playing a Drell Adept and one is playing a Batarian Sentinel. The Drell Adept should be outscoring the BatSent at a rate of 2-to-1.

Are you advocating that good players should only play certain, powerful kits?

X2-Elijah wrote...


Yes, they should. Just because they don't play characters that can instaclear all spawns doesn't mean they should not play on gold. Without one spawnhogger, they might as well have had no problems and enjoyed a far more fun match. 

I really resent this elitism that if a player can't facestride everything and hog up spawns, they shouldn't be playing on gold.

<sigh>  i think i'm not explaining very well, or people are misinterpreting what i'm saying.

Score is fairly irrelevant, except the mechanics pointing out what the game assigns.

I'm not saying players should uses certain kits or play a certain way (or not) eg: spawn nuking.

I am saying in Gold PUGs, you do see players who do not seem to know the mecahnics, or how to use the kits they have or underlevelled kits (note:  this excepts "bad" kits in the hands of a good player) and should these people be in gold.

When one looks at a scoresheet, you can only tell so much, but in a game you get a feel for players.  Sometimes the score reflects this sometimes it dosent.

When there's say two equally good players, one a Drell Adept and one BatSent, yes the Drell should outscore, but a game with those two will make the game go faster and smoother than a poor playing Turian Ghost with a Harrier III who isnt really a gold viable player.
In all cases score is fairly irrelevant, but it's likely the poor player (regardless of kit) will be lower down the table as contributing less in real terms, and by how the game scores.

[Twinkles DeVere]

Aha...I get it! This thread is like brag bait...everyone comes here to stroke epeen in a non-judgemental environment, leaving the rest of BSN free! Well done sir, well done 

*insert clapping gif here*

When I have something to brag about..........I'll be back

[Maveric11]

X2-Elijah wrote...

Just a random footnote - I've been in a scarce few missions where there is one player that is obviously better and tends to get all the kills.. Just due to having the right kit, and the right skillset and strategies.
Now, I don't begrudge them their fun, but.. Please don't brag about "having to carry the game". It is not carrying, you just zip off and hog all the action for yourself. Mad props for being able to do it, sure, but don't assume that the rest are noobs or suckers. Maybe you just don't even let any enemies get even close to the other players, and they simply can't score without resorting to leroying all over the place - a thing that their specs and builds and habits might not work for.

So, yeah. If I see a scoring list with 3 players at, say, 50k score, and one with more than 3 times as much, and that one player does not have 15 revive medals, then I won't think "Oh that match had three bad leeches", I'll think "Oh that match had one gloryhogging jerk".

And that's coming from someone who can get to topscoring place with the right kit (in before the "lol lrn 2 play nub").

You say not to assume they're noobs or suckers but you're assuming first place is a jerk. You be right most of the time but not all of the time. If I'm on 1 side of the map with the spawn and the team is getting ran over by 2 marauders, I'm not going all the way over there to revive them. So yeah no revive medals for me. Also, score is a huge indicator of DPS. If you don't have at least 80k or a silver revive medal, then imo you were not contributing. 

[Grim68]

My Gold PuGs have been getting progressively worse since a good stretch I had last weekend. I'm still new to Gold too, and certainly can't carry yet. So it's a good time when I get into a game and there is an infiltrator finding the shadiest corner of the map and not doing anything and then another infiltrator who was on suicide watch judging by how often he was jumping into the mix.

I'm usually in the 95k-120k range when with a team that is even remotely working together though. If any BSNers want to take someone who's still green on, hit me up on XBL.

[llandwynwyn]

tivesz wrote...

But how the f is Kaiden there? He either kicking it (not) on Virmire, or protecting the Council. He can't be part of the team, when we ride up that elevator.

[mrs_anomaly]

Twinkles DeVere wrote...

Aha...I get it! This thread is like brag bait...everyone comes here to stroke epeen in a non-judgemental environment, leaving the rest of BSN free! Well done sir, well done 

*insert clapping gif here*

When I have something to brag about..........I'll be back

I don't think 30 min long U/U/G PUG's are anything to brag about LOL  

Modifié par mrs_anomaly, 10 janvier 2013 - 03:41 .

[Derp88]

When I was first starting gold, I always brought power based classes to the mix. This is because your manifest has less of a bearing in this situation.

It still surprises me to see weapon based classes coming into gold/plat matches with a common weapon.

In my opinion, you're going to be a lot more useful to the team using powers to debuff enemies than trying to keep up with the dps with a common weapon.....

A lot of the time gold PUGs are quite lacklustre because they're not using the kit the right way for team synergy, or are just out of their depth dps wise because they're using an Avenger III with a destroyer thinking its gonna wreck all things.