[quote]batlin wrote...
I'm looking for a debate. If that's indistinguishable from a fight to you, then I'm sorry. [/quote]
Fine. I will rise to your pathetic and opinionated argument, so that you can feel important because you're debating which video-game is better on the internet.
You can consider this post my last pathetic struggle before your next post drives the dagger through the heart of my argument, exposing me as a fraud for everyone on this forum. Because I'm well aware of how strong the counter-argument will be - with its own unique set of facts - I'm ready to declare that I'm defeat from the start!
[quote]Really now[/quote]
Yes, really. Your pathetic attempt to cherrypick three screenshots does not change this, but it does show how desperate you are to lie about what DA:O is like to prove your point.
Why don't you show me those
brilliant tactical set ups in the deep roads, where you have a cluster of darkspawn ready to die in a fireball? Or what about those
brilliant set ups in denerim, where you have a pile of archers ready to die in a fireball? Or what about that
brilliant quest design at the Tower of Ishal, where again, there's just a pile of enemies ready to die in a fireball?
[quote]In this particular setup, there is a grease slick on the floor that trips you up if you walk on it, leaving you and your party easy targets for the archers positioned behind a barricade. "Oh, just throw a fireball at them." Not only do fireballs do insubstantial damage, but fire spells will actually ignite the grease below your feet, dealing huge damage to your party. [/quote]
I'm sorry to hear that you're bad at DA:O. But you being bad at the game does not affect how it works.
Firstly, a fireball does (100.0 +
Spellpower) * 0.3. and another (100.0 +
Spellpower) * 0.3. in fire damage over 5 seconds, meaning that in 5 seconds you've done at minimum 200 fire dmg, raw. There are resistances, of course. But with 3 fireballs it means at least 600 fire damage, and since you can easily get spellpower to about 70 by that point (if not closer to around) , you're looking at at least 650.
If you
really want to cheese, then you don't actually have to use firebal - all of the mages AOE spells don't require line of sight, so with the top down camera you can cast them all from
so far behind the grease that you're not even igniting it.
I was being charitable when I said you can fireball everything because I didn't want to talk about all the wonderful actual exploits in the game.
[quote]Here is a battlefield with traps strewn all over. Only characters with high cunning can sense them, [/quote]
Are you kiding me!? You've actually taken a random screenshot from DA:O, from the elven ruins (which is the
only time traps are actually arranged in that way in DA:O) and then you cite a gameplay mechanic that DA2 has in common with it? That's your response?
[quote]so positioning your group around the battlefield is dangerous and requires patience and planning.[/quote]
Only if you're slow and bad at DA:O. If you're good at DA:O, you're going to fireball them into oblivion. If you're really playing it cheap, you're going to open the door, and cast storm of the century, and then everyone inside will be dead and you won't even have to worry about the traps.
[quote]This one starts you off on a low, winding path with Qunari berserkers right in front of you. [/quote]
Fireball. Dead.
[quote]Far up above you are some archers and a mage who are taking potshots at your party. AoE spells like fireball are almost useless since you do not have line of sight to the archers, and the Qunari can easily target your mages and archers since gaining threat is not easy. [/quote]
Mana clash. Mage is dead. You move. Then fireball them dead. Aggro is irrelevant. I never used taunt once in DA:O.
[quote]Meanwhile, every encounter in DA2 is the same. barring the boss fights, EVERY ENCOUNTER puts you in a big, featureless area where waves of the same enemy drop out of the sky from the edges where you cut them down as quickly as they arrive. Combat encounters in DA2 are lazy. They're boring. They're interminable. and worst of all, they're not fun to play. [/quote]
Not only are you cherry picking,
but you're actually a liar. Shorts is right - you can bleet whatever garbage you want about wanting to have a discussion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
Here is one example:
This is a bad internet screenshot. It shows a room in a better bill. Each box is a trap. It releases fire. The mage appears on the traps in random order. To get in mele range, you have to pass through the trap.
Combat encounters in DA:O are irrelevant ,because all of the thought put in them (for the ones that
do have thought, instead of the thousand of cases wher there's a room, and inside are plopped
[quote]What do you do when all your abilities are on cooldown? [/quote]
You don't end up in that situation, because your cross-class combos have cleared the field.
[quote] Mindlessly whack enemies while you wait for your abilities to come back. It's mindless combat. [/quote]
Because mindlessly whacking them with abilities its somehow
more intelligent? Oh dear lord, look at the insight! The incisive commentary! How could you have stayed so quiet for so long, when you've had such intelligent things to say about game design?
[quote]You
would have a point...if your health and mana did not immediately regenerate after combat was over. [/quote]
Oh. My. God. You're impossible! I would have a point that each encounter forces you to manage your resources, if it wasn't for the fact that other things happen after the encounter was over? Do you read over what you write?
[quote]You can quite easily get though DA2 without using any health potions. I had a huge stock of them by the time I had to fight the Arishok 1 on 1. [/quote]
Because
spamming them in DA:O is more intelligent? Not to mention that you can do the same in DA:O. I never used poitions, because fireball and group heal takes care of it for me.
[quote]Sorry, I should have said the only
meaningful difference is enemies' HP. [/quote]
You mean you shouldn't have lied? Okay.
[quote]FF is a non-issue unless you use your AoE's stupidly, [/quote]
So you agree that DA:O's difficulty range was superflous because all it did was change enemy resistances and FF? I'm glad we're on the same page for once about how there was nothing tactical about DA:O.
[quote]and resistance only matters of you go in heavy with mages. [/quote]
You're right - which is why adding spell resistance on nigthmare in DA:O didn't count as a
meaningful diffence right, Mr. "I make up things so I can win internet debates"?
[quote]Flemeth doesn't come up with the plan to unite Ferelden. [/quote]
Flemeth points it out to you at the hut while you're drooling out the side of your mouth next to Alistair.
[quote]Why do you think they were looking for the treaties in the first place?[/quote]
Because you were
ordered by Duncan. Remember him? The one who
gave you orders at Ostagar? And he was grabbing them as insurance, and you're
really luck he didn't keep the things on his body.
[quote]And, again, the Warden's actions are ultimately for
his benefit, [/quote]
No, they aren't.
[quote]not the benefit of the people he helps.[/quote]
They're absolutely for their benefit! If the Warden baked Bhelen a cake, he wouldn't have gotten any army out of him. The Warden follows the instruction of his betters.
[quote]if he didn't find a solution to each group's problems, the warden would not have had an army to stand against the Archdemon. [/quote]
Which, if we're going to talk about the plot, are completely irrelevant other than as a group of sacks of meat that have to take long enough to die for a GW to kill the archdemon.
[quote]Wrong. You know where Loghain is from the beginning, and if you ever want a chance to get to him you need to get Arl Eamon's support. [/quote]
Oh, you mean listen to Eamon's orders about how there won't be a military confrontation? Well, the Viscount did not want to antagonize the Qunari and that's why no action was taken.
Look! The plot has an explanation. Let's try for two: Varric had more resources than Hawke to track down Bartrand. There! We have it.
[quote]you DO in fact work to stop him since the end of Act 1 when he betrays Maric. [/quote]
I remember that when I was stealing boots of darkspawn in the Deep Roads, how those boots became a really crucial part of stopping Loghain.
[quote]The Warden never went to orlais in DA:O.[/quote]
I know. You were saying about railroading?
[quote]Did you stop playing DA:O right before the Landsmeet or something?[/quote]
Remind me about that part where it was Eamon's idea entirely, and you have absolutely no choice but to go along with him? Yeah, that part.
[quote]
You do work toward stopping Loghain. Ever since he betrays you, that is the primary goal of DA:O. [/quote]
The archdemon would like to have a word with you on that one.
[quote]Not even comparable. The entire course of DA:O happens over two or three months, IIRC. Hardly enough time for much to matter. Meanwhile, Hawke allows the Qunari occupation to fester for YEARS, [/quote]
So you're pretending that the reactivity doesn't matter? Holy crap! You're so intellectually dishonest it's a wonder you haven't just collapsed under the weight of all the lying you've been doing.
And suddenly it's a "Qunari occupation"? Why
should Hawke do anything? Where under "wealthy noble" does the job description of Viscount fall?
I'm getting tired of the garbage you're peddling.
[quote]You aren't as high a ranking Warden as Riordan nor the King of Ferelden. [/quote]
Wait - wait. So Riordan outranks you? And you have to do what he says? And the King of Ferelden outranks you?
Well, that sounds like they're "[giving] an authoritative direction or instruction to do something". But that would be absurd. Because that's the definition of an order, and in DA:O, the Warden
never takes orders, am I right?
[quote]It's odd though that you refuse to criticize DA2 for more greivous issues than the Warden not being a high-ranking leader. Hawke has
no official status, Hawke's party often takes actions completely against his wishes, and worst of all he does nothing to solve problems until they hit the fan. [/quote]
Let me understand this.
(A) Hawke has no official position.
(
Hawke has no official obligation.
© Hawke is personally responsible for resolving the Qunari threat to Kirkwall.
I'm seeing a problem here. I'm sure it's just me.
[quote]Every part of DA:O's second act is for the purpose of building an army to fight the Acrhdemon. It is flat-out false to say that the Redcliffe, Dwarf, Elf, etc quests were irrelevant. [/quote]
The army is irrelevant, becuase it's entire role in defeating the archdemon is to die slowly enough that the actual important people - the Warden's - can kill it.
And if we want to play the pathetic causal connectiong game, the same applies in DA2. Meredith never goes bonkers without the idol or without the Arishok decapitating the Viscount.
[quote]Solving a crowning dispute so the drarven armies could join the fight against the Blight. [/quote]
Oh, right, I forgot, you're a liar. You have a funny way of interpret being told what to do by Vortag Gavorn. My favourite part is where you call him out on him giving you false documents, and he tells you that you have no choice: either obey if you want to meet Bhelen, or not.
[quote]Following their orders and being their errand boy are two entirely different things. In one case, your goals are your own. In the other, your goals aren't. [/quote]
Oh, wow. Let me cite you, Mr. "I lie to prove points":
You: "The Warden meanwhile follows no one's orders."
That's what I thought. But now you've moved on to lie #2: the goals are different. Well, I've run out of patience for your lies.
[quote]It comes right before the scene where you turn off the game because the only possible outcome is that Eamon dies and you do not have the support to unseat Loghain. [/quote]
Oh, too bad that Teagon was going to become Arl of Redcliffe, but that content was cut. So, sorry buddy, you're wrong. You're just following Teagon's orders like a good little delivery boy, and that's all you can do.
[quote]in other words, you are being dismissive of me because you are unable to elaborate on your points because they are fallacious and disingenuous. Yes, I suppose you are done.[/quote]
Haha. Says the liar. Let's quote you again, for posterity:
"Following their orders...""The Warden meanwhile follows no one's orders."And once more, for emphasis:
"Following their orders...""The Warden meanwhile follows no one's orders."
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