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[SpockLives]

EDIT: I WOULD SUPPORT RESTORING TACTICAL CLOAK TO ITS PRE-NERF STATE IF:

1. The damage bonus only applied to weapons, not powers or melee.

OR

2. Tactical Cloak was made like Adrenaline Rush in that you can only cast powers while it's active if you choose the rank 6 evolution.

Ok, now everybody resume raging at me.

I posted this in another thread, but it is quickly filling up with name calling and insults, so I thought I'd repost it in my own thread and hopefully get some intelligent discussion.

1. Infiltrators can get an 80% additive weapon damage bonus. They can also get a 25% multiplicative damage bonus on top of that with sniper rifles. The second best any other class can get is a 70% additive bonus for longer duration with Adrenaline Rush.

2. Infiltrators can get an 80% additive power damage bonus. No other class can come close to that.

3. Infiltrators can get a 130% additive melee damage bonus.  Not even a raging Krogan can match that.

4. Infiltrators can carry a super heavy gun and still have all their powers on a 3 second cooldown by ending cloak as soon as it is cast. No other class can even come close to carrying as much weaponry and not worrying about cooldowns. Edit: No one was reading this anyway.

If you think Tactical Cloak is fine as is, please explain why. I think it is unacceptable for the Infiltrator to completely outclass everything else in FOUR categories.

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Modifié par SpockLives, 11 janvier 2013 - 11:43 .

[cory257383]

Tactical Cloak is a loved power. So dont expect much support.

You will evoke the same respones here. Nerfers dont usually get much support. You may say its just balance but your still a nerfer

[RoundedPlanet88]

The most reasonable argument for tac cloak not being broken (that I`ve seen to date) is this : NERFDUCKNERFDUCKNERFDUCK.
in other words,
inb4 nerfduck babies

[Domnuxx]

Did you bring your shield?

[Blitzkrieg_33]

SpockLives wrote...

so I thought I'd repost it in my own thread and hopefully get some intelligent discussion.

It's unlikely that the same people posting in that thread will become more intelligent upon moving to this one. Here, take my shield, you'll need it.

https://encrypted-tb...RlvG4DZah8DbfTQ

EDIT: Ninja'd

Modifié par Blitzkrieg_33, 11 janvier 2013 - 07:35 .

[unclemonster]

NO!!

[ryoldschool]

You just made feneckus's day . Btw rank 6 TC is usually 25% multiplier after the Nerf a while back.

[spudspot]

1. It's 25% multiplicative.

2. Over a maximum of 2.5s. AR gives up to 70% for up to 6.8s and reloads your gun, doubles your base shields. MM gives you an effective 50% multiplicative bonus on burst dps for many guns for up to 10.2s.

I do however agree that TC might have a little too many benefits for its 'drawbacks'.

Edit: Partially 'ed.

Modifié par spudspot, 11 janvier 2013 - 07:42 .

[SpockLives]

cory257383 wrote...

Tactical Cloak is a loved power. So dont expect much support.

You will evoke the same respones here. Nerfers dont usually get much support. You may say its just balance but your still a nerfer

But why shouldn't it be nerfed?  I listed several reasons it should.  What are your defenses?  If one option is vastly superior to all other options, I am putting myself at a needless disadvantage by not choosing it.  That's a balance issue.

[megawug]

It's already been nerfed. Please search the forum for the discussions from several months ago.

[cory257383]

Nothing to see here

[SpockLives]

ryoldschool wrote...

You just made feneckus's day . Btw rank 6 TC is usually 25% multiplier after the Nerf a while back.

D'oh!  Fixed now.

[SpockLives]

megawug wrote...

It's already been nerfed. Please search the forum for the discussions from several months ago.

And how is that a defense?  All my reasons are based on how the power is now.  Please address the points I made instead of making up distractions.  That it was nerfed once before is irrelevant.

[Cat_ Infiltrator]

Besides the reload cancel you can do with the power, its not all powerful.

Your cloak drops off abit once you fire ashot and on higher difficulties and more advanced enemies can still find you cloaked. Not to mention you have to keep recasting. Meanwhile sentianls, krogans, and batarians get a constant passive. And as for beating the score board on a team work based multiplayer , any good player can beat someone that's using something op. Though the score is never seen after that round

[cory257383]

Everything that has been nerfed twice has been killed and thats fact. There is my defense

[AkuIaTubShark]

The only "issue" with TC is that it overrides all CD on any skill. Fix that and all this stupid TC Nerf talk would stop.

[RoundedPlanet88]

cory257383 wrote...

Everything that has been nerfed twice has been killed and thats fact. There is my defense

Admitidly, the krysae did get a nerfhammer, but it was what? 8 nerfs? not 2?

[SpockLives]

Cat_ Infiltrator wrote...

Besides the reload cancel you can do with the power, its not all powerful.

Your cloak drops off abit once you fire ashot and on higher difficulties and more advanced enemies can still find you cloaked. Not to mention you have to keep recasting. Meanwhile sentianls, krogans, and batarians get a constant passive. And as for beating the score board on a team work based multiplayer , any good player can beat someone that's using something op. Though the score is never seen after that round

Score is irrelevant as skill trumps kits.  But why do you think that my reasons aren't enough?  I think TC gives Infiltrators too many advantages.  How do you defend TC giving all 4 bonuses I listed?

[megawug]

SpockLives wrote...

megawug wrote...

It's already been nerfed. Please search the forum for the discussions from several months ago.

And how is that a defense?  All my reasons are based on how the power is now.  Please address the points I made instead of making up distractions.  That it was nerfed once before is irrelevant.

We've already had these discussions.  This so-called "new" discussion is another needless rehash.  Stop trolling.

Modifié par megawug, 11 janvier 2013 - 07:40 .

[Computron2000]

The sniper rifle bonus is 25%. OP advise you actually use the class before discussing power levels.

[vinlandhammer]

again.......... *_* on BSN every single power-gear-weapon is OP!!

[lktalon22]

Infidel!!!

May he without sin cast the first stone!

Ahh... I found a rock.

[SpockLives]

AkuIaTubShark wrote...

The only "issue" with TC is that it overrides all CD on any skill. Fix that and all this stupid TC Nerf talk would stop.

I agree that is a major point.  I would be happy if they made TC like Adrenaline Rush.  If you want to cast a power while cloaked, choose the rank 6 evolution.  That would really be enough to placate me.

[SpockLives]

Computron2000 wrote...

The sniper rifle bonus is 25%. OP advise you actually use the class before discussing power levels.

I fixed that several minutes ago.  Also, I have completed the 200 wave challenges with the Salarian and Quarian Female Infiltrators recently.  Please respond to my points and not an irrelevant typo.  I actually want to know why people defend TC.

[Rotacioskapa]

Yes, TC is overpowered/broken. People only defend it because playing as an inf is the easiest way to get credits in this game.

Modifié par Rotacioskapa, 11 janvier 2013 - 07:44 .