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[Peranor]

BonFire5 wrote...

Fans chose it, and BioWare implemented it. Then completely forgot about it when it came for the Trilogy collection to come out (still not sure if there was a reason behind that).

Something feels off about default FemShep. I like red hair and the freckles, but the way it was implemented in game is off. She doesn't look much like the picture on the box and the Take Earth Back FemShep looks like she could be default FemShep's Rock and Roll Goddess older sister.

She looks too young in game, and has a stare that says something along the lines of "you're going to be in the freezer in my basement".

Mostly agree. Though I think her stare rather says something like "potato" or just "derp".

[Jonata]

Knubbsal wrote...



Then again, who cares, import or edit Shep how you like.

Imagine if one of the first two short hair versions would've won! People would still be talking about it probably. Few things screams "I'm gay" more than that first picture haircut...

[Demonique]

Master Che wrote...

Knubbsal wrote...

It's since of Facebook voting. She's way more red than in ME1/2, but we're lucky she didn't turn blonde:

Anyone else see Posh Spice (Victoria Beckham), Winona Ryder, Natalie Portman, and Uma Thurma (a la Pulp Fiction) here?

They have Victoria Bekcham in-game as well, it's the reason I despise Ashley's new look, she used to look like a soldiert and now she looks like a celebrity I can't stand.

Which one do you think looks like Victoria Beckham here? The black FemShep reminds me of her and because of that I didn't vote for her.

[blacqout]

The short answer is that 40,000 fans had their say, and elected a blonde Shepard.

Then some bigots took to the Twitter and these forums to complain - using such well-thought and enlightened criticisms as "she looks like she is more concerned with her nails than the Reapers". You know, the sort of of outdated rubbish that plays on the stereotype of blonde women being ditzy.

Then half as many people voted in a secondary poll that she be a redhead.

I must admit that i found David Gaider's recent comments about this place's 'increasingly toxic' atmosphere a mite amusing.

When BioWare made the decision to pander to socially accepted bigotry, they invited the kinds of rants complaining about homosexual romances being catered for. That was the exact moment this community lost any semblance of decency. And it really is all BW's fault.

Modifié par blacqout, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:29 .

[JAMiAM]

When Femshep was a kid, one of the schoolyard bullies threatened to beat her down "like a redheaded step-child".

It might not have been the last time somebody else made that mistake, but it damned sure was the ONLY time he ever did...

[Jovian09]

If No. 6 had won, what would Traynor look like?

[sandor6]

Jonata wrote...
Few things screams "I'm gay" more than that first picture haircut...

What a strange thing to say. Few things scream "I'm a model dressed up as a professional soldier" more than hair covering one eye when in battledress.

[Mouton_Alpha]

Aiyie wrote...

it was ME1 and ME2 femshep that became the hero the fans liked... why'd they feel the need to screw around with her appearance when the fans had already established that they were happy with what they already had?

like others said at the time, they basically reduced her character from being a strong female protagonist to a space age beauty pageant contestant.

Heh, the ME3 femshep looks like an eager teenager to me. Let the internet vote for something, sigh.

But the biggest insult is that they did not include the old femshep in the presets and the ME2 import is bad - bot the present and the import are supposed to be "old femshep", but they look positively horrible.

Had to reconstruct a closest lookalike and is much better, if still far from perfect.

[Dankyogi]

Because God wills it!

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[PnXMarcin1PL]

Because there was voting on the forums. Personally I voted for black haired femshep, but peeps prefer redheads.

[Jonata]

sandor6 wrote...

Jonata wrote...
Few things screams "I'm gay" more than that first picture haircut...

What a strange thing to say. Few things scream "I'm a model dressed up as a professional soldier" more than hair covering one eye when in battledress.

That's for sure! I actually voted for one of the first two haircuts (can't remember which one, though). It would have been kind of great that people could not unseen the fact that she had the typical "gay 20something woman" look. 

The other haircuts are so "pretty model" that the whole thing looks more like some kind of a Roberto Cavalli spot mocking the military rather than actual soldiers. The "official" FemShep we ended with is no exception. 

Don't get me wrong: it's not that a redhead with freckles cannot be a soldier, it's just that Felicia Day mixed up with Pamela Anderson is not actually believable. Then again, there are people here that modded her to look like a 16 years old anime character so probably that's just what the fans wants. 

Modifié par Jonata, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:23 .

[vware]

Knubbsal wrote...

It's since of Facebook voting. She's way more red than in ME1/2, but we're lucky she didn't turn blonde:


Then again, who cares, import or edit Shep how you like.

I voted for one. My femshep looks like that: black hair, steel blue eyes, pale. Except she has the short curly hairdo.

Modifié par vware, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[HolyAvenger]

Jonata wrote...

Don't get me wrong: it's not that a redhead with freckles cannot be a soldier, it's just that Felicia Day mixed up with Pamela Anderson is not actually believable. Then again, there are people here that modded her to look like a 16 years old anime character so probably that's just what the fans wants. 

You're playing a game in which the protagonist can use space magic, literally comes back from the dead and is battling giant space Cthulhu  who wipe out entire civilizations on a 50,000 year cycle...but the default appearance being attractive is where the believability breaks down for you?

[Clayless]

I never voted for number 1 because I didn't want Shepard to look like Winona Ryder from Alien 4.

[Jonata]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Don't get me wrong: it's not that a redhead with freckles cannot be a soldier, it's just that Felicia Day mixed up with Pamela Anderson is not actually believable. Then again, there are people here that modded her to look like a 16 years old anime character so probably that's just what the fans wants. 

You're playing a game in which the protagonist can use space magic, literally comes back from the dead and is battling giant space Cthulhu  who wipe out entire civilizations on a 50,000 year cycle...but the default appearance being attractive is where the believability breaks down for you?

It's about coherency, not about Christopher Nolan levels of believability. In the Final Fantasy universe it's absolutely normal for a pretty model with impossible haircuts to tear down buildings with a finger... it's how the world is built, and while I don't like it, people who buy those game are perfectly okay for that kind of things.

The Mass Effect Universe, however, kind of dance around the edges of believability. Science Fiction is all about making fiction with science in it, and the design of ships, armors and weapons in ME clearly tries to be as believable as possible. Hanar are, basically, talking pink squids, but they are believable in the realms of possibilities that Mass Effect as a coherent universe creates.

That being said, out-of-place design breaks believability ALWAYS if it's not coherent with the rest of the environment. It's okay for a main character to be beautiful, Mark Vanderloo is a model indeed, but everything from the buzzcut to the scar on his forehead were made so that you could believe that man was a military Commander.

With FemShep however, they just let the fans chose the "hottest redhead in comic con this year" and slap her face on a suit of Sci-Fi armor. Now that's not believable. In the slightest. The way the ME Universe is build makes me believe that there are talking pink squid venerating a thousand years old race of four-eyed humanoid bugs, but cannot help me in seeing a Playmate as a high rank soldier. Simple as that.

Modifié par Jonata, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:54 .

[HolyAvenger]

The crux of your argument is that it is unbelievable that there are pretty women in the military. Ludicrous.

[spirosz]

The fans voted.

[Jonata]

HolyAvenger wrote...

The crux of your argument is that it is unbelievable that there are pretty women in the military. Ludicrous.

Listen, the realm of possibilities is endless. Somewhere, somehow, there might be a tiny, beutiful woman who is able to craft steel weapons with an hammer like a medieval blacksmith.

But when you're making a videogame or a movie (hell, even a comic book) you must take in consideration what people would be able to see fit for that kind of role. If I have a huge warrior with an axe in a fantasy novel, it'll either be a man or a strong, muscular tomboy woman.

It's how entertainment works. You can do whatever do you please, but you can't say that Avril Lavigne will make a good Shepard in a Mass Effect movies because "it can be, she could be whatever she wants". Sure, but she looks out of place as a soldier, full stop. 

The most beautiful woman in the world may be a real soldier, but put her in a movie as a fictional one and you're breaking believability.

[sharkboy421]

Jonata wrote...

The most beautiful woman in the world may be a real soldier, but put her in a movie as a fictional one and you're breaking believability.

I still don't understand where your coming from.  Why can't a female soldier also be attractive?  Now whether you agree on femshep's hair being an appropriate style or not is another matter but again, why can't she be attractive? 

Your arguements about believability come off as very flat and shallow to me.  I understand being a soldier a very physically demanding job but there are plenty of female athletes who are in peak physical condition and have very attractive faces.  That's not to say Gina Carrano or Natalie Coughlin would have the same physique they do now if they were elite N7 operatives, but still I would believe that they would still be just as attractive. 

And then there is the default male Shepard whose face is based off a model.  Yes he has the stereotypical Hollywood action hero look but he is pretty damn good looking too.  If male Shepard can look good I don't see why femshep can't either.

P.S. After typing this I realized I was basing this off of faces alone.  If your also referring to body types, its impossible to tell wearing armor but in her casual outfits, yes femshep needs a new body model.

[Jonata]

sharkboy421 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

The most beautiful woman in the world may be a real soldier, but put her in a movie as a fictional one and you're breaking believability.

I still don't understand where your coming from.  Why can't a female soldier also be attractive?  Now whether you agree on femshep's hair being an appropriate style or not is another matter but again, why can't she be attractive? 

Your arguements about believability come off as very flat and shallow to me.  I understand being a soldier a very physically demanding job but there are plenty of female athletes who are in peak physical condition and have very attractive faces.  That's not to say Gina Carrano or Natalie Coughlin would have the same physique they do now if they were elite N7 operatives, but still I would believe that they would still be just as attractive. 

And then there is the default male Shepard whose face is based off a model.  Yes he has the stereotypical Hollywood action hero look but he is pretty damn good looking too.  If male Shepard can look good I don't see why femshep can't either.

P.S. After typing this I realized I was basing this off of faces alone.  If your also referring to body types, its impossible to tell wearing armor but in her casual outfits, yes femshep needs a new body model.

Allright, I need to clear things up a little.

It's not about "beauty" as much as it is about "a form of beauty" that could fit that character. As you've said, people like Gina Carano are definitely rather attractive and yet seem perfectly fit for an action character. And that's rather perfect, because people will look at Gina Carano in a N7 Armor and say: "woah, this woman is though!"

The default Female Shepard selected by fans, though, it's not Gina Carano. She's more like Milla Jovovich, and I think we can pretty much agree that while one can enjoy the Resident Evil movies for what they are (senseless entertainment) they're not high quality things or believable in any terms. 

My point, to cut it short, is this one: people wanted Shepard to be a redhead hottie with freckles, and that turned out pretty awful IMO. Male Shepard, or at least the official one, is good looking while still being a perfect action hero. Canon FShep is good looking but would rather fit in a playboy magazine, not on a battlefield.

I hope I explained myself succesfully. 

[Clayless]

Basically:

If you're hot and female you can't be a soldier, but if you're hot and male you can.

[Tokei-ihto]

Jonata wrote..

The default Female Shepard selected by fans, though, it's not Gina Carano. She's more like Milla Jovovich, and I think we can pretty much agree that while one can enjoy the Resident Evil movies for what they are (senseless entertainment) they're not high quality things or believable in any terms.

Yeah, less Milla Jovovich, more Ellen Ripley for the female protagonist of next game please.

[sharkboy421]

Jonata wrote...

Canon FShep is good looking but would rather fit in a playboy magazine, not on a battlefield.

Why?

Edit:  I apologize for being so short but I still do not understand your point.  Why is the default femshep not appropriate for femshep?  How is her face any less suitable than, using my previous example, Gina Carrano?  In the concept art, which is the image used on the box art, she has the same intense look that male Shepard has.  She looks serious, intense and ready to face whatever it is the Reapers throw at her.  She also happens to have red hair and freckles and is attractive but that doesn't really affect her attitude.  And again, male Shepard fits the male standards of beauty and no questions him as a soldier, so why is femshep different?

Modifié par sharkboy421, 15 janvier 2013 - 06:22 .