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[EJ42]

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

]Many of us, and likely Bioware disagree with you.

The benefit of the PS3 and Xbox versions is that they play on your PS3 and Xbox hardware (without the need to purchase a PC).  The benefit of the PC version is that you can get the toolset as a side bonus.

One added bonus is that you can easily transport your PS3 or Xbox with you on vacation, while my PC, monitor, keyboard, etc. are not all that portable.

The main thing that you're missing is that the whole point of supporting the PS3 and Xbox is for people Bioware does not expect to have a PC, so it's not in their best interests to try to support them with PC software.  I don't even think there is a Mac version of the toolset.  I would expect them to support Mac users before console users.

REALLY??? is that the bonus for buying the console version? the reason we pay $10 more for our version? the reason there is no toolset available for console owners? Oh silly me i forgot about the sticker on the case  "EXTREMELY PORTABLE!!!"

Are you as stupid as you type? Because if i didnt know what you were refering to id think you were ****ing to laptop owners

and as to the "not having to own a PC" comment, i can comeback with an equally stupid remark saying "the benefit of having the pc version is that it plays on your pc" I would sure hope that have the xbox version i would be allowed to play it on my xbox...but hell what do i know

And with that i will kindly ask you not to return to this thread as you've shown your worth on this thread and on another regarding a very similar issue

@Fexelea it seems we have a visitor:pinched:

The game isn't optimized for laptop use.  I still haven't loaded it on mine, but *shrug*

As for returning to the thread, how can I leave with such encouragement to stay?

It really wouldn't hurt me one bit if they found a way to release the toolset for PS3 and Xbox game owners, but there's a catch you haven't considered.  If they release it for console owners, they're releasing it for everyone in the whole world, because you have no way to prove to your PC that you own the PS3 or Xbox version of the game.

Sure, they can force you to log in to download it, but what then?  You can trivially upload it to fileshare or wherever.  Without you owning a PC DVD, there is no way to validate your "right" to use it.  Those of us who have the full PC version of the game have "validated" our use of the toolset by installing the game.

If they find a way to give you Dragon Age: Movie Studio v1.0, then that's great, but don't expect them to feel an urgent need to get that done.

All I'm doing here is trying to give you a reality check.

[Fexelea]

Sigh... Do you have a console? Do you even remotely understand how they work? DRM is far easier when linking to consoles than with the PC!

We don't care about your so-called reality check, you are coming here posting problem after problem instead of proposing solutions: that is what gets annoying. If you have something of value to contribute to the thread, like others who also think this is unlikely but have made suggestions, then by all means stay. If not, then nobody likes doomsayers.

[Dahelia]

The console versions are a completely and utterly different version and it would require not only a whole new toolset to be developed for the console players but Sony and Microsoft both must say yes and get on board with allowing the 360 and PS3 to be modifiable consoles. Also, people must understand that anyone could make a mod that would totally ruin your game and even the console itself.

[Fexelea]

Indeed Dahelia. That's why approval process would be required, which means the distributor would ultimately be EA.

[EJ42]

Fexelea wrote...

Sigh... Do you have a console? Do you even remotely understand how they work? DRM is far easier when linking to consoles than with the PC!
We don't care about your so-called reality check, you are coming here posting problem after problem instead of proposing solutions: that is what gets annoying. If you have something of value to contribute to the thread, like others who also think this is unlikely but have made suggestions, then by all means stay. If not, then nobody likes doomsayers.

How exactly are you going to link your PS3 or Xbox with your PC to authenticate your toolset?

I do own a PS3.  I just know that they're not likely to design any sort of network authentication scheme for the toolset.

It's not cost-effective.  People who own the PS3 version have already paid all the money Bioware can expect to receive from them.

Since the expansion packs aren't likely to become toolset content, there is no benefit in releasing the toolset to a console audience as an incentive to purchase expansions or DLC.

Where is the money for Bioware?  They have to justify the expense.

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...
]The game isn't optimized for laptop use.  I still haven't loaded it on mine, but *shrug*

As for returning to the thread, how can I leave with such encouragement to stay?

It really wouldn't hurt me one bit if they found a way to release the toolset for PS3 and Xbox game owners, but there's a catch you haven't considered.  If they release it for console owners, they're releasing it for everyone in the whole world, because you have no way to prove to your PC that you own the PS3 or Xbox version of the game.

Sure, they can force you to log in to download it, but what then?  You can trivially upload it to fileshare or wherever.  Without you owning a PC DVD, there is no way to validate your "right" to use it.  Those of us who have the full PC version of the game have "validated" our use of the toolset by installing the game.

If they find a way to give you Dragon Age: Movie Studio v1.0, then that's great, but don't expect them to feel an urgent need to get that done.

All I'm doing here is trying to give you a reality check.

Please read before you post, your only making youself sound worse.

I have stated NUMEROUS times...hell its even in the original post but ill tell it to you agian just to clear things up

THE FULL GAME (i.e. storyline) IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE TOOLSET, ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS TEXTURES, FACES, BUILDINGS, ETC. THIS WOULD BE A SLIMMED DOWN VERSION OF THE FULLGAME THAT WOULD PREVENT PIRATING.


OMG LOL the laptop remark was just a joke about you whining about your PC not being "portable"

Modifié par tymay33, 12 janvier 2010 - 02:47 .

[Dahelia]

Fexelea wrote...

Indeed Dahelia. That's why approval process would be required, which means the distributor would ultimately be EA.

So you are saying...as people who would create your mods, you want them to go through an approval process just so you can be safe? Then by all means...make a toolset for the  consoles, it isn't like you are going to get mods if modders have to go through an approval.

[EJ42]

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
]The game isn't optimized for laptop use.  I still haven't loaded it on mine, but *shrug*

As for returning to the thread, how can I leave with such encouragement to stay?

It really wouldn't hurt me one bit if they found a way to release the toolset for PS3 and Xbox game owners, but there's a catch you haven't considered.  If they release it for console owners, they're releasing it for everyone in the whole world, because you have no way to prove to your PC that you own the PS3 or Xbox version of the game.

Sure, they can force you to log in to download it, but what then?  You can trivially upload it to fileshare or wherever.  Without you owning a PC DVD, there is no way to validate your "right" to use it.  Those of us who have the full PC version of the game have "validated" our use of the toolset by installing the game.

If they find a way to give you Dragon Age: Movie Studio v1.0, then that's great, but don't expect them to feel an urgent need to get that done.

All I'm doing here is trying to give you a reality check.

Please read before you post, your only making youself sound worse.

I have stated NUMEROUS times...hell its even in the original post but ill tell it to you agian just to clear things up

THE FULL GAME (i.e. storyline) IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE TOOLSET, ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS TEXTURES, FACES, BUILDINGS, ETC. THIS WOULD BE A SLIMMED DOWN VERSION OF THE FULLGAME THAT WOULD PREVENT PIRATING.


OMG LOL the laptop remark was just a joke about you whining about your PC not being "portable"

Here you go, courtesy of Dahelia...

Allan Smith wrote...

I'm sorry that you got the impression that you could use the toolset on a console version of the game. The toolset is designed for use on a PC. It simply in not designed to work on a console. Plugging a keyboard and mouse to your console does not make it a PC.

As was pointed out in some earlier posts, the toolset requires a bunch of files from the game in order to work, and in many cases, the files from the console versions are different than the ones for the PC, and would not work with the toolset, so asking for the PC toolset after buying a console version is akin to asking for a free copy of the PC version of the game after buying a console version.

In studio, the toolset was built to run with dozens and dozens of designers working simultaneously on a centralized, managed database, using a lightmapping server farm, and a sophisticated build process with technical staff with the know how to keep it all up and running. We have spent considerable effort in extracting the toolset from the surrounding support infrastructure so that it can run on a standalone pc so that community members can also enjoy creating new content and modifying content as they desire. It has been a challenge, and we are still tweaking it in order to make it work the way it should on a stand alone pc. Once we get that in better shape, we can focus on other enhancements and improvements. We may do some work in the future to try and facilitate moving user generated content from the PC to other platforms (Some of our users may be bright enough to figure it out on their own too)

The toolset being available for PC only is not an attempt to make you have to buy the game multiple times, or any kind of discrimination against console owners, it is a simple technical reality that it does not run on consoles. The files that you got with the console version are not the same as the ones delivered with the PC version, and I don't even know how they would behave with the toolset. We are willing to work with the community to try and work on porting solutions, however the threat of class action lawsuits is counter productive to working together towards any kind of solution. The fact that this is being bandied about in this thread is causing me to choose my words carefully and consider how helpful I should try to be here (i.e. it is hard to be helpful and constructive while being threatened, knowing that every word will be read and interpreted a thousand times over)

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
]The game isn't optimized for laptop use.  I still haven't loaded it on mine, but *shrug*

As for returning to the thread, how can I leave with such encouragement to stay?

It really wouldn't hurt me one bit if they found a way to release the toolset for PS3 and Xbox game owners, but there's a catch you haven't considered.  If they release it for console owners, they're releasing it for everyone in the whole world, because you have no way to prove to your PC that you own the PS3 or Xbox version of the game.

Sure, they can force you to log in to download it, but what then?  You can trivially upload it to fileshare or wherever.  Without you owning a PC DVD, there is no way to validate your "right" to use it.  Those of us who have the full PC version of the game have "validated" our use of the toolset by installing the game.

If they find a way to give you Dragon Age: Movie Studio v1.0, then that's great, but don't expect them to feel an urgent need to get that done.

All I'm doing here is trying to give you a reality check.

Please read before you post, your only making youself sound worse.

I have stated NUMEROUS times...hell its even in the original post but ill tell it to you agian just to clear things up

THE FULL GAME (i.e. storyline) IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE TOOLSET, ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS TEXTURES, FACES, BUILDINGS, ETC. THIS WOULD BE A SLIMMED DOWN VERSION OF THE FULLGAME THAT WOULD PREVENT PIRATING.


OMG LOL the laptop remark was just a joke about you whining about your PC not being "portable"

Here you go, courtesy of Dahelia...

Allan Smith wrote...

I'm sorry that you got the impression that you could use the toolset on a console version of the game. The toolset is designed for use on a PC. It simply in not designed to work on a console. Plugging a keyboard and mouse to your console does not make it a PC.

As was pointed out in some earlier posts, the toolset requires a bunch of files from the game in order to work, and in many cases, the files from the console versions are different than the ones for the PC, and would not work with the toolset, so asking for the PC toolset after buying a console version is akin to asking for a free copy of the PC version of the game after buying a console version.

In studio, the toolset was built to run with dozens and dozens of designers working simultaneously on a centralized, managed database, using a lightmapping server farm, and a sophisticated build process with technical staff with the know how to keep it all up and running. We have spent considerable effort in extracting the toolset from the surrounding support infrastructure so that it can run on a standalone pc so that community members can also enjoy creating new content and modifying content as they desire. It has been a challenge, and we are still tweaking it in order to make it work the way it should on a stand alone pc. Once we get that in better shape, we can focus on other enhancements and improvements. We may do some work in the future to try and facilitate moving user generated content from the PC to other platforms (Some of our users may be bright enough to figure it out on their own too)

The toolset being available for PC only is not an attempt to make you have to buy the game multiple times, or any kind of discrimination against console owners, it is a simple technical reality that it does not run on consoles. The files that you got with the console version are not the same as the ones delivered with the PC version, and I don't even know how they would behave with the toolset. We are willing to work with the community to try and work on porting solutions, however the threat of class action lawsuits is counter productive to working together towards any kind of solution. The fact that this is being bandied about in this thread is causing me to choose my words carefully and consider how helpful I should try to be here (i.e. it is hard to be helpful and constructive while being threatened, knowing that every word will be read and interpreted a thousand times over)

Yes thank you very much:
YOU ARE ONLY PROVING MY POINT FURTHER THAT YOU SIMPLY DO NOT READ!
PLEASE BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN GO TO PAGE 1 AND READ THE FIRST THING POSTED
AND AFTER YOU READ MY FULL POST , YOU MAY THEN POST A REPLY...if you must

[EJ42]

Here's the link:

http://social.biowar...325962/2#347253

[Dahelia]

So you want to create trailer like...things with the toolset, can't you just download the toolset? It was a big pain for me to download it....but do you really need the pc version to even download the toolset....maybe you do...hmmm...And sorry I was talking to someone else with the whole big thing I did...not you, Mr. OP.

Modifié par Dahelia, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:03 .

[EJ42]

tymay33 wrote...

Yes thank you very much:
YOU ARE ONLY PROVING MY POINT FURTHER THAT YOU SIMPLY DO NOT READ!
PLEASE BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN GO TO PAGE 1 AND READ THE FIRST THING POSTED
AND AFTER YOU READ MY FULL POST , YOU MAY THEN POST A REPLY...if you must

Here you go...

Chris Priestly wrote...

The Dragon Age Toolset comes with the PC version of the game, not the console versions. While we are ivestigating ways that created content may come to the console versions, the toolset is exclusive for the PC version.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

http://social.biowar...325962/2#346945

"NO" means no.

Also, I just noticed your name.  Did I get trolled?  If so, then you have accomplished an epic feat.  Have I been replying, in a semi-serious fashion to shouts of "Timmah!  Timmah Timmah Timmah!" all this time?

Modifié par EJ42, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:04 .

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...

Here's the link:
http://social.biowar...325962/2#347253

...you didnt even bother to read it did you?

Well it doesnt really matter I have sent a message to Fernando asking him to send his reply as to if MY request is plausible or not. ANd upon giving his reply i requested that this thread be locked because its getting to a completely different subject than what it is im asking

If you havent realized yet i am asking something completely different than the request in that thread, so please make yourself look less stupid and actually decide to read what MY request was

[tymay33]

Dahelia wrote...

So you want to create trailer like...things with the toolset, can't you just download the toolset? It was a big pain for me to download it....but do you really need the pc version to even download the toolset....maybe you do...hmmm...And sorry I was talking to someone else with the whole big thing I did...not you, Mr. OP.

No worries i know you were having a conversation with someone else,
But yes the game files are needed (not the actual story but skins, textures, and objects, etc)

[EJ42]

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Here's the link:
http://social.biowar...325962/2#347253

...you didnt even bother to read it did you?

Well it doesnt really matter I have sent a message to Fernando asking him to send his reply as to if MY request is plausible or not. ANd upon giving his reply i requested that this thread be locked because its getting to a completely different subject than what it is im asking

If you havent realized yet i am asking something completely different than the request in that thread, so please make yourself look less stupid and actually decide to read what MY request was

"the toolset is exclusive for the PC version."

What part of that are you having difficulty processing?

Also...

"As was pointed out in some earlier posts, the toolset requires a bunch of files from the game in order to work, and in many cases, the files from the console versions are different than the ones for the PC, and
would not work with the toolset, so asking for the PC toolset after buying a console version is akin to asking for a free copy of the PC version of the game after buying a console version."

That comes from Bioware.  The answer to your request is "NO!"

As for reading comprehension, it is yours that is lacking.  Try actually reading the post yourself.

You are asking to be able to use the PC toolset on a PC even though you only bought the PS3/Xbox version of the game.  Look at the red text above, from a Bioware poster.  It's from the link I gave you.  Try to read it slowly.

Modifié par EJ42, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:11 .

[Dahelia]

tymay33 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

So you want to create trailer like...things with the toolset, can't you just download the toolset? It was a big pain for me to download it....but do you really need the pc version to even download the toolset....maybe you do...hmmm...And sorry I was talking to someone else with the whole big thing I did...not you, Mr. OP.

No worries i know you were having a conversation with someone else,
But yes the game files are needed (not the actual story but skins, textures, and objects, etc)

Ahh...I can see that now. Maybe there is a way for you to get the files....who knows, maybe it will become available.

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Here's the link:
http://social.biowar...325962/2#347253

...you didnt even bother to read it did you?

Well it doesnt really matter I have sent a message to Fernando asking him to send his reply as to if MY request is plausible or not. ANd upon giving his reply i requested that this thread be locked because its getting to a completely different subject than what it is im asking

If you havent realized yet i am asking something completely different than the request in that thread, so please make yourself look less stupid and actually decide to read what MY request was

"the toolset is exclusive for the PC version."

What part of that are you having difficulty processing?

Also...

"As was pointed out in some earlier posts, the toolset requires a bunch
of files from the game in order to work, and in many cases, the files
from the console versions are different than the ones for the PC, and
would not work with the toolset, so asking for the PC toolset after
buying a console version is akin to asking for a free copy of the PC
version of the game after buying a console version."

That comes from Bioware.  The answer to your request is "NO!"

EJ42 wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

Yes thank you very much:
YOU ARE ONLY PROVING MY POINT FURTHER THAT YOU SIMPLY DO NOT READ!
PLEASE BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN GO TO PAGE 1 AND READ THE FIRST THING POSTED
AND AFTER YOU READ MY FULL POST , YOU MAY THEN POST A REPLY...if you must

Here you go...

Chris Priestly wrote...

The
Dragon Age Toolset comes with the PC version of the game, not the
console versions. While we are ivestigating ways that created content
may come to the console versions, the toolset is exclusive for the PC version.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

http://social.biowar...325962/2#346945

"NO" means no.

Also,
I just noticed your name.  Did I get trolled?  If so, then you have
accomplished an epic feat.  Have I been replying, in a semi-serious
fashion to shouts of "Timmah!  Timmah Timmah Timmah!" all this time?

Sure it requires alot of files but the story itself is not needed. You have no idea what your talking about as your only friend here happens to be copy-paste

and no its not timmah

SO please leave unless you have anything construcive to say as you are not wanted here

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Here's the link:
http://social.biowar...325962/2#347253

...you didnt even bother to read it did you?

Well it doesnt really matter I have sent a message to Fernando asking him to send his reply as to if MY request is plausible or not. ANd upon giving his reply i requested that this thread be locked because its getting to a completely different subject than what it is im asking

If you havent realized yet i am asking something completely different than the request in that thread, so please make yourself look less stupid and actually decide to read what MY request was

"the toolset is exclusive for the PC version."

What part of that are you having difficulty processing?

Also...

"As was pointed out in some earlier posts, the toolset requires a bunch of files from the game in order to work, and in many cases, the files from the console versions are different than the ones for the PC, and
would not work with the toolset, so asking for the PC toolset after buying a console version is akin to asking for a free copy of the PC version of the game after buying a console version."

That comes from Bioware.  The answer to your request is "NO!"

As for reading comprehension, it is yours that is lacking.  Try actually reading the post yourself.

You are asking to be able to use the PC toolset on a PC even though you only bought the PS3/Xbox version of the game.  Look at the red text above, from a Bioware poster.  It's from the link I gave you.  Try to read it slowly.

*sigh* you just keep digging deeper

let me restate this

I DO NOT WANT OR HAVE ANY NEED FOR THE FULL GAME! JUST ANYTHING NECESSARY FOR THE TOOLSET, DO YOU EVEN READ???

[EJ42]

tymay33 wrote...

Sure it requires alot of files but the story itself is not needed. You have no idea what your talking about as your only friend here happens to be copy-paste

and no its not timmah

SO please leave unless you have anything construcive to say as you are not wanted here

Ok.  Now you're just being silly.

You've gotten your answer straight from the developers themselves.  The fact that you choose to plug your ears with your fingers, and sing "la la la la, I'm not listening" does not make for any sort of meaningful discussion.

They already said they are NOT giving you the files you need for free.  Why you choose to ignore that is beyond me.

Since Bioware has spoken with much more authority than I or anyone else can, there is no more reason for me to waste my time on you.

Rock on, Timmah!

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

Sure it requires alot of files but the story itself is not needed. You have no idea what your talking about as your only friend here happens to be copy-paste

and no its not timmah

SO please leave unless you have anything construcive to say as you are not wanted here

Ok.  Now you're just being silly.

You've gotten your answer straight from the developers themselves.  The fact that you choose to plug your ears with your fingers, and sing "la la la la, I'm not listening" does not make for any sort of meaningful discussion.

They already said they are NOT giving you the files you need for free.  Why you choose to ignore that is beyond me.

Since Bioware has spoken with much more authority than I or anyone else can, there is no more reason for me to waste my time on you.

Rock on, Timmah!

You arnt even reading my request Biowares answer is to a completely different question which isnt compatable with mine

[EJ42]

tymay33 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

Sure it requires alot of files but the story itself is not needed. You have no idea what your talking about as your only friend here happens to be copy-paste

and no its not timmah

SO please leave unless you have anything construcive to say as you are not wanted here

Ok.  Now you're just being silly.

You've gotten your answer straight from the developers themselves.  The fact that you choose to plug your ears with your fingers, and sing "la la la la, I'm not listening" does not make for any sort of meaningful discussion.

They already said they are NOT giving you the files you need for free.  Why you choose to ignore that is beyond me.

Since Bioware has spoken with much more authority than I or anyone else can, there is no more reason for me to waste my time on you.

Rock on, Timmah!

You arnt even reading my request Biowares answer is to a completely different question which isnt compatable with mine

I forgot I had this post open in another tab too.

How is your request any different at all?  You're asking for a version of the toolset, which will run on your PC, even though you only purchased the PS3/Xbox version of the game.  Bioware has said they are not going to give you the PC version of the required files for free.  Also, you are extremely naive about what you think does and does not need to be included in the toolset.

What exactly do you hope to accomplish in the toolset if none of the content is provided?  The toolset needs the sound files, the models, the scripts, the dialogues, etc.  About the only thing the toolset doesn't need is the executable files.  For them to try to strip the toolset out any further would be beyond useless for them, and if I was their manager, I'd fire them for wasting the company's money when they could be spending their time creating profit-generating content that benefits ALL players of the game.

[tymay33]

EJ42 wrote...


How is your request any different at all?  You're asking for a version of the toolset, which will run on your PC, even though you only purchased the PS3/Xbox version of the game.  Bioware has said they are not going to give you the PC version of the required files for free.  Also, you are extremely naive about what you think does and does not need to be included in the toolset.

What exactly do you hope to accomplish in the toolset if none of the content is provided?  The toolset needs the sound files, the models, the scripts, the dialogues, etc.  About the only thing the toolset doesn't need is the executable files.  For them to try to strip the toolset out any further would be beyond useless for them, and if I was their manager, I'd fire them for wasting the company's money when they could be spending their time creating profit-generating content that benefits ALL players of the game.

I already know that sound and other files are needed, all i said that the STORY itself wasnt needed. They need to do nothing to the toolset, just the game itself. And to be their manager im guessing youd need SOME form of intellect. And yes theres a chance that NO is the answer but the reason for it being NO would not be the reason your providing me.

[Eurypterid]

Guys, enough arguing.



EJ42: you've made your point. Likely it's best to let the devs answer this, if they're of a mind. Tymay33, if I understand things correctly, has PMed Fernando, so perhaps he'll get an answer soon.

[Vizkos]

If I may cut on here, it is virtually impossible to give dev tools for free on the xbox unless Bioware wants to be out a fair bit of money.



Unlike the PC, where internet access is fairly free and broad, providing you have a connection, Xbox and PS3 access is rather limited. Building on that, game enhancing downloads on the consoles are virtually impossible to get outside of xbox live or PSN not only because of the lack of a console internet browser, but also if I am not mistaken the consoles seek to control content and require payment for files. Thus if Bioware seeks to give console players the toolset, they will have to pay Microsoft and Sony for server space to upload the files for download, and in turn would have to charge for the download to recoup losses.

Given the above, it is virtually impossible to mod a console version of the game for a few reasons. First and foremost for those who run the game off of thier CD, it is virtually impossible to implant mods into their game.

The PC is a more wide open platform to modify which has its advantages for modding, but also its disadvantages for the obvious hacking that goes on in competitive multiplayer games.

[cvaj12]

it would be nice though for ps3 or 360 to get a toolset O_o