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[crimzontearz]

Seival wrote...

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Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Seival wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

yet the EC ended up confirming the way Control works even tho Bioware kept that a mystery in the original ending. So it is arbitrary...
Gee how lovely

Control wasn't a mystery in original ending. Many people just refused to believe it was true. Additional confirmation was required, and it was added with EC.

thank you for proving my point

Before EC release:
Some people were not sure if Control was true.
Some people were not sure if Shepard's survival in Destroy was mystery.

After EC release:
A lot of explanations were added to Control, proving it was true.
More uncertainty was added to Shepard's survival in Destroy, proving that Shepard's survival was a mystery.



...So, how exactly did I prove your point? Your question was answered in EC - Shepard's survival in Destroy is a mystery. No further explanations needed. If you happy with that or not - is completely different question.

i am going to regret this.

in the ec, shepard survival was made less mysterious. the memorial scene, in combination with the breathe scene, was a big hint, that shepards survival is true. the li who refuses to put the plate on the wall is a strong indicator.

only ITers were not sure that control was real ... and they still are not convinced.

Memorial scene in case of Destroy provides more questions than answers, which means BioWare confirmed survival mystery status.

You clearly didn't follow Control discussions well enough. Even Control supporters were not 100% sure it was really "Control". For example, some people thought Control was a "final order to the Reapers to go away, or fly into the Sun", and Shepard's death afterwards. Such interpretations contradicted with Control meaning, still people with those interpretations called themselves Control fans... People had doubts. But EC explained Control in perfect detail.

just because it was not done well, does not mean, the intention was not there .. but crappy execution is something that does not exist in your mass effect head-canon.

Memorial scene was well done, and intention was to confirm survival mystery status (in case of Destroy), believe me.

You just expected to receive "yes" or "no" answer, and still refuse to accept "maybe" concept.

absolutely not.

the breathe scene alone was more than enough to make shepards survival in high ems destroy a mystery. further mystification was not needed.
 
the memorial scene is still not clear (like "yes definatly") but the intention to show that sheps survival is highly propable, is clear. they reacted to the fanbase' demand for destroy-shep clarity and added this little notion to the memorial scene. it is perfectly clear that shepard survived, if liara is your bondmate - "a connection that transcends time and space".

they just did not had the guts to walk the road to the end. also, it would have crushed IT - something bioware wanted to avoid - most ITers are still loyal fans ... pissing them off is not a sound strategy (see what happened after the IT-thread was closed).

Since most Destroyers didn't get it, further mystification was required.

I'm asking you: "did Shepard survive in Destroy?". And I already know the only correct answer you can give without using any speculations. The correct answer is "maybe".

Please, do not limit yourself with just "black and white" or "one and zero". BioWare message was clear enough. So, be prepared for never getting any further answers on the matter. Try to accept the one you already have.

then they can be prepared to accept me not dropping $$$ on their next ME game. you proved my point that context and what constitutes modifications of the ending is entirely arbitrary on bioware's part in spite of the BULL**** they spew through their PR and the contradicting statements about destroy. But it's OK I should have known better than to entertain a conversation with you, I just wish there was an ignore function on this forum

[Robhuzz]

There were many other things beside the ending that I disliked about ME3. The ending killed my interest in the series however and if it were changed for the better (No red/blue/green or star kid for starters) I might be interested in replaying the series. Depending on how much I can overlook the other problems I might actually buy some dlc.

Not leviathan however. I think the leviathan plot was contrived and just made up later to retroactively explain and foreshadow the disaster they called the catalyst. To somehow make it look like a better idea.

[hanjie1712]

If the new ending is better (as in, it makes more sense within the context of the Mass Effect universe and provides closure), then yes.

Also, 

Kulbelbolka wrote...

Game needs more than another Extended Cut. It needs Director's Cut that will affect the whole game.

This

[Seival]

crimzontearz wrote...

then they can be prepared to accept me not dropping $$$ on their next ME game. you proved my point that context and what constitutes modifications of the ending is entirely arbitrary on bioware's part in spite of the BULL**** they spew through their PR and the contradicting statements about destroy. But it's OK I should have known better than to entertain a conversation with you, I just wish there was an ignore function on this forum

This is irrelevant. Some fans go, new fans come. Big games always have big communities. "I so-o-o-o-o disappointed drama" will affect negatively only the haters, who keep feeding it, noone else...

...And I never proved your point. You just want to believe I proved it, just like you want to believe that ME3 ending can be changed... Remember my words. It can't be done. It will never happen. The ending was set in stone.

[Reth Shepherd]

Seival wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

then they can be prepared to accept me not dropping $$$ on their next ME game. you proved my point that context and what constitutes modifications of the ending is entirely arbitrary on bioware's part in spite of the BULL**** they spew through their PR and the contradicting statements about destroy. But it's OK I should have known better than to entertain a conversation with you, I just wish there was an ignore function on this forum

This is irrelevant. Some fans go, new fans come. Big games always have big communities. "I so-o-o-o-o disappointed drama" will affect negatively only the haters, who keep feeding it, noone else...

...And I never proved your point. You just want to believe I proved it, just like you want to believe that ME3 ending can be changed... Remember my words. It can't be done. It will never happen. The ending was set in stone.

"Can't" =/= won't. Bioware CAN change the ending, they merely CHOOSE not to do so. And "set in stone"? Puh-lease! If it was set in stone, it was set in stone well after much of the work on the game had been completed. Go read the Final Hours app. We know also that the current ME3 ending is not the intended ending of the game as of the ME2 era, since we know from Drew that it was the now-dropped Dark Energy plot. We also have some evidence that two writers isolated themselves to write the current ending, leaving out all possibility for peer critique.

"Some fans go, new fans come." You're right, this does happen. But will Bioware gain enough new fans to offset the loss of their old ones? Leaving aside such intangibles as the massive drop in price of ME3 and how badly fan press will hurt Bioware's future (as they don't lend themselves to solid 'exactly how hard do these impact things' numbers); ME3's DLC sales aren't exactly that optimistic. I was unable to get any information from Bioware on how well Omega sold, so on the recommendation of several other posters, I instead looked at the comparative sales shown by the Xbox Live Marketplace. This is the list of all ME3 DLC sorted by All Time Best-selling. Comparative sales of all Mass Effect DLC was harder, but I eventually sorted all DLC to M-rated games by total sales and dug through it page by page to locate Mass Effect's. (Post describing exact search methods here, and here is the list of all M-rated game DLCs in case you want to see for yourself.) I got the following results:

1. Mass Effect 3: Resurgence
2. Mass Effect 3: From Ashes
3. Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut
4. Mass Effect 2: Kasumi Stolen Memory
5. Mass Effect 3: Rebellion
6. Mass Effect 2: Lair of the Shadow Broker
7. Mass Effect 3: Earth Multiplayer Expansion
8. Mass Effect 2: Overlord
9. Mass Effect 1: Bring Down the Sky
10. Mass Effect 2: Arrival
11. Mass Effect 2: Equalizer Pack
12. Mass Effect 2: Aegis Pack
13. Mass Effect 3: Retalition Multiplayer
14. Mass Effect 1: Pinnacle Station
15. Mass Effect 2: Alternate Appearance Pack 1
16. Mass Effect 3: Leviathan
17. Mass Effect 2: Appearance Pack 2
18. Mass Effect 2: Genesis (the comic that lets you create choices from ME1)
19. Mass Effect 2: Cerberus Network
20. Mass Effect 3: Firefight Pack
21. Mass Effect 3: Omega
22. Mass Effect 3: Groundside Pack
23. Mass Effect 3: Alternate Appearance Pack 1

Granted, ME3 hasn't had as much time to accumulate sales as the older two games. However, note that From Ashes is #2 on that list, while Levi is #16 and Omega is #21. Not good. In fact, Omega only beats two DLCs in sales (or downloads, as some of these are MP DLCs), and Omega has barely budged from the bottom of the list since its release. If sales were high, one would expect it to rise higher on that list as it gained more and more purchases. But that's not what we're seeing.

Perhaps ME4 will do better, and attract that new audience you seem to believe it will. Perhaps it will. But the current numbers aren't optimistic.

[Slashice]

Well if the new ending would make sense story and lorewise, adding Harbinger as a main boss fight where all or most of your war assets shows up and matters and adding some sense for all the hintings and foreshadowing of ME2 then absolutely! That's what I'm waiting for since I experienced their ending... maybe they should convinve Karpyshsyn to come back or letting Patrick Weekes playing a bigger role in writing the new ending... that would be cool. I must admit I can't imagine a worst ending than the current ones. It makes impossible to continue the story and expand the universe. Something similar ending to Dragon Age Origins would be awesome: killing the main bad guy but most of his pawns stay alive and they go in hiding... etc... but with the current endings its impossible to continue the story, only possible to do so if they canonize an ending but then what was the point of choosing? Meh...

[Abraham_uk]

Argetfalcon wrote...

 I would

Also this is NOT a thread about adding a new ending, I'm simply asking would you buy more dlc if they did afterwards

I feel like a complete arse answering a "what if" question with "but it wouldn't"


Jack: What if ___________? What would you do then.
Paul: But it wouldn't.
Jack: Come on. Enterain my what if scenario.
Paul: Your scenario is stupid. It would never happen. End of conversation!



I'm not going to be like Paul.
I'm a bit relunctant to purchasse more DLC.
Not because of the endings.

It's because of money. This is a recession and this ending DLC wouldn't change the fact that money these days is tight.
I love Mass Effect series (even Mass Effect 3) but I don't have much money.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 13 janvier 2013 - 06:32 .

[Slashice]

Also I must add: I've never expected a happy ending and honestly: we're about to stop a cycle that has continued for who knows how long... this won't come easy... so yeah, all I want is an ending that is not inconcistent with ME1 and ME2 (and even ME3)...

[Neizd]

New ending = No
More options in the current ending that will add what some of the fans want and expand our RPG experience? = Big yes.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

...I'm already buying the DLC?

Unless the next one is really bad or something.

That said, more content in the existing ending added in a DLC would be fine with me.

Modifié par PKchu, 13 janvier 2013 - 06:42 .

[Kroitz]

Only if there will be some raid-instances.