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[CynicalShep]

No, don't ruin the Asari for me. A species of blue space-babes that totally put out with males from other species. Woohoo
I also believe Javik would have mentioned something about male asari, especially if you consider how eager he is to rub the past in T'Soni's face.
Also, it is clearly stated that Asari are monogendered. They don't need to make love to have babies.

[Sinophile]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

The idea of an artificially created Asari was also discussed in that thread I showed you.

In all honesty, much of this thread is redundant with the one that was created a year earlier, including some of the Asari pics. I got lost at the walls of texts though.

The Ardat-Yakshi didn't exist to the narrative until ME2, but still,
Bioware would have written it somewhere if there was a sexual
dimorphism at all, as they do go into details with deviating
reproductive means for the major species. Like the Salarians for
instance. So, until BW retcons, they're mono-gendered.

Don't forget about the comic books and paperback novels. Mass Effect is becoming  like Star Wars in the sense that it is a universe being developed by several people at once, there is bound to be conflicting information.

[gisle]

But the ME books don't seek to add anything, and it's not like they're going to write more of them since they'd have to commision and Deception is an example of how well that went. The ME books adds interesting, but trivial compared to the games, details, but they don't try to expand the lore. Life on Omega, life on the Migrant Fleet. How biotics work in more detail. Stuff like that, not changing things like "oh, turns out the asari aren't mono-gendered after all."

The asari possess two copies of her genes, the second is merely altered during melding. That alone implies there is no semen-analogue and thus no need for a dimorphism.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 21 janvier 2013 - 12:29 .

[Frozen Mind]

So an Ardat-Yakshi, pureblood killingspree offspring with possibility to turn into Banshee after Reaper's messing is less shameful for asari than shemales never mentioned in whole trilogy (if you include offspring off Apple and EA, 5 games plus all DLC for them), 4 books, 8 comics and single Asian movie? Well, that's a bold statement.

And a great idea to enrage many ME (ultra)fans for BioWare changing mind and lore over players feedback.

Modifié par Frozen Mind, 21 janvier 2013 - 12:35 .

[gr1d_m3ist3r]

Fiddles dee dee wrote...




Do not want, also do not exist.

Keanu T'soni, right?...what do you mean "who is that?"?..it's Liara's renegaded brother, u pyjack!! he's returned from his exile ...hoorraayy, now we can see some proper asari porn scenes in ME4:lol:

[CARL_DF90]

xxArgyle wrote...

Canonically, I know they aren't possible or probable, but some artist renditions of what a male Asari could look like makes me o-kay with letting them warble my mind.

Seen the first pic from the previous thread but not the second. I have to say though the second one is pretty damned good.

[Gamer790]

I don't have a theory, I have a codex. It says that the Asari are monogendered species. Meaning only one sex, which has already been shown very many times to be female. Meaning there are no male Asari.

[Sinophile]

I don't have a theory, I have a codex.

So you prefer to believe everything you read at face value instead of thinking about it, is this what you are telling me?

Modifié par Sinophile, 22 janvier 2013 - 09:18 .

[Rasofe]

"In all honesty, all of this thread is redundant with the one that was created a year earlier, including some of the Asari pics. I got lost at the walls of texts though."

Fixed.

[Gamer790]

Sinophile wrote...

I don't have a theory, I have a codex.

So you prefer to believe everything you read at face value instead of thinking about it, is this what you are telling me?

No, but there has never been any evidence in this series to suggest the Asari do and/or ever have had more than one gender.  However, given Bioware's recent regard for lore consistency in this series I suppose anything is possible by this point.

[Sinophile]

No, the codex has said nothing about male Asari, I will concede to that. However, an Asari is shaped almost exactly like a human female. The body of a human female was designed around child-rearing, whereas the human male was designed for tasks such as hunting, which is reflected in their larger hands and upper body strength. If Asari are mono-gendered, wouldn't they look more androgynous?
Come to think of it, humans are the only species that exhibit any sexual dimorphism. Sure you have Dalatrass Linron and Mordin, but you could hardly tell them apart aside from the use of pronouns and pitch of voice.

[Gamer790]

Actually the turians have exhibited sexual dimorphism as well, only look at Nyreen. Granted apart from humans they are the only species to do so. As for the salarians and krogan well I think that is because of the developers simply lacking the time, money or effort to render distinctive body models for the females and not some evolutionary process in the lore. However I do give you props because you seem to have put a fair amount of thought into this and your probably smarter than I am. I just think your looking for a realistic, scientific explanation for a fictitious, scientific phenomenon that doesn't exist.

[Kesp]

Wulfram wrote...

My theory would be that there were male Asari, or male proto-Asari once, but they died out once the Asari developed their mind-sex, because there was no mechanism to pass on the Asari equivalent of a Y chromosome.

This sounds quite believable through some sort of evolution. This would explain why they still can mate with males from another species.
Now let's say the Asari would have a XY sex-determination system just like humans:
Through time females who had the "mind-sex" ability would only carry X chromosomes to their offspring(which would be a female). This would eventually outcompete the "male-female" reproduction as less Y chromosomes would be carried to the next generation. Then the Y chromosome became extinct.

With two X chromosomes the Asari would be more resistant to mutations in their sex-chromosomes. This would be for example colour blindness or haemophilia. Then they need to be homozygous for a non-dominant mutation to come into affect(in allosomes).

Modifié par Kesp, 07 février 2013 - 04:36 .

[Sinophile]

Actually the turians have exhibited sexual dimorphism as well, only look at Nyreen.

Yes, they wait until making a DLC for the third game in the series to introduce a female Turian. They wait almost as long to make a female Krogan(Eve). Even then, the only way you can tell that they are female is the pitch of their voices.

However I do give you props because you seem to have put a fair amount of thought into this and your probably smarter than I am.

I actually stole that from the thread made a year earlier that Carl linked to, he didn't seem to notice, or has lost interest in this thread.

With two X chromosomes the Asari would be more resistant to mutations in their genes as they carry two "copies" of them.

Actually, the Y chromosome repairs other chromosomes.

With two X chromosomes the Asari would be more resistant to mutations in their genes as they carry two "copies" of them.
http://articles.cour...-genome-project

[Vubica]

read the codex, ME1 the asari are Mono Gendered, they arent "Male" they arent even "female" for that matter

[Tiby4u]

Sinophile wrote...

*snip*
Come to think of it, humans are the only species that exhibit any sexual dimorphism. Sure you have Dalatrass Linron and Mordin, but you could hardly tell them apart aside from the use of pronouns and pitch of voice.

I'm guessing all the biology you know comes from some documentaries and wikipedia articles you found interesting. Humans are not the only species that exibit sexual dimorphismn neither in ME nor in reality. Also, check out some real species that reproduce without males. Go to wikipedia and search for parthenogenesis (mentioned in codex as being similar to how asari reproduce) and if you're interested also check out gynogenesis and hybridogenesis.
I'm only trying to make a point that males are not always necessary. Sometimes they're not required at all  for reproduction, sometimes they are required only for the act of mating but not for their genetic material.
Please stop trying to ruin asari for us!!!

Modifié par Tiby4u, 28 janvier 2013 - 12:37 .

[Sinophile]

Tiby4u wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

*snip*
Come to think of it, humans are the only species that exhibit any sexual dimorphism. Sure you have Dalatrass Linron and Mordin, but you could hardly tell them apart aside from the use of pronouns and pitch of voice.

I'm guessing all the biology you know comes from some documentaries and wikipedia articles you found interesting. Humans are not the only species that exibit sexual dimorphismn neither in ME nor in reality. Also, check out some real species that reproduce without males. Go to wikipedia and search for parthenogenesis (mentioned in codex as being similar to how asari reproduce) and if you're interested also check out gynogenesis and hybridogenesis.
I'm only trying to make a point that males are not always necessary. Sometimes they're not required at all  for reproduction, sometimes they are required only for the act of mating but not for their genetic material.
Please stop trying to ruin asari for us!!!

So you claim that video games are more reliable sources of information than Wikipedia or documentaries? Moreover, I belive you may have taken my comment regarding Sexual Dimorphism out of context. Aside from female quarians having boobs, what other examples of sexual dimorphism in ME can you give? As for your comment about me "trying to ruin the Asari", you chose to  to read and reply to this thread, did you not?

[Zakuspec089]

Male Asari doesn't make any sense and its gross. Leave THE ASARI THE WAY THEY ARE, IT GREAT THEY ARE A MONOGENDERED SPECIES. Geez these people these days. Male Asari doesn't even look interesting. The Asari always had been a Monogendered species..

[katamuro]

how is this thread still alive? its like a pantheon of pointless.

[Sinophile]

Zakuspec089 wrote...
The Asari always had been a Monogendered species..

So were the Smurfs until Gargamel came along. Those alien things from avatar were also blue, coincidence?

[Tiby4u]

Sinophile wrote...

Tiby4u wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

*snip*
Come to think of it, humans are the only species that exhibit any sexual dimorphism. Sure you have Dalatrass Linron and Mordin, but you could hardly tell them apart aside from the use of pronouns and pitch of voice.

I'm guessing all the biology you know comes from some documentaries and wikipedia articles you found interesting. Humans are not the only species that exibit sexual dimorphismn neither in ME nor in reality. Also, check out some real species that reproduce without males. Go to wikipedia and search for parthenogenesis (mentioned in codex as being similar to how asari reproduce) and if you're interested also check out gynogenesis and hybridogenesis.
I'm only trying to make a point that males are not always necessary. Sometimes they're not required at all  for reproduction, sometimes they are required only for the act of mating but not for their genetic material.
Please stop trying to ruin asari for us!!!

So you claim that video games are more reliable sources of information than Wikipedia or documentaries? Moreover, I belive you may have taken my comment regarding Sexual Dimorphism out of context. Aside from female quarians having boobs, what other examples of sexual dimorphism in ME can you give? As for your comment about me "trying to ruin the Asari", you chose to  to read and reply to this thread, did you not?

1. I never did and never wil insinuate that videogames are more scientifically accurate than wikipedia or documentaries.
2. I was doubting the extent to which you understand biology. I am a biology student and from the arguments you were giving I could tell that biology is more of a hobby for you.
3. Boobs are not the only example of sexual dimorphism. Pitch of voice, bone structure, coloring, behavior towards younger members of a species, agression or lack thereof in one sex compared to the other all constitute sexual dimorphism. And that's just off the top of my head.
4. I believe Nyreen looked quite distinctive from Garrus for example. I also believe Eve had a distinct pitch of voice compared to Wrex, same with Dalatrass Linron and Mordin.
5. If you were trying to say that most of the galactic civilized species from ME are not sexually dimorphic then you were incorrect (see points 3 and 4).

Modifié par Tiby4u, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:32 .

[Tiby4u]

Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention!

Modifié par Tiby4u, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:32 .

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Why is this thread still alive? It is clear that Asari were always mono-gendered. People are still debating even though the point is clear. Asari are like snails, they are both male and female, and in this case, their physical appearance and genitals is that of a female.

[Sinophile]

Tiby4u wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

Tiby4u wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

*snip*
Come to think of it, humans are the only species that exhibit any sexual dimorphism. Sure you have Dalatrass Linron and Mordin, but you could hardly tell them apart aside from the use of pronouns and pitch of voice.

I'm guessing all the biology you know comes from some documentaries and wikipedia articles you found interesting. Humans are not the only species that exibit sexual dimorphismn neither in ME nor in reality. Also, check out some real species that reproduce without males. Go to wikipedia and search for parthenogenesis (mentioned in codex as being similar to how asari reproduce) and if you're interested also check out gynogenesis and hybridogenesis.
I'm only trying to make a point that males are not always necessary. Sometimes they're not required at all  for reproduction, sometimes they are required only for the act of mating but not for their genetic material.
Please stop trying to ruin asari for us!!!

So you claim that video games are more reliable sources of information than Wikipedia or documentaries? Moreover, I belive you may have taken my comment regarding Sexual Dimorphism out of context. Aside from female quarians having boobs, what other examples of sexual dimorphism in ME can you give? As for your comment about me "trying to ruin the Asari", you chose to  to read and reply to this thread, did you not?

2. I was doubting the extent to which you understand biology. I am a biology student and from the arguments you were giving I could tell that biology is more of a hobby for you.

I find that comment a bit personal, are you attacking me or the issue? Simply saying,"your argument is invalid because I am smarter than you" doesn't work too well, especially since it is hard to substantiate your claims of being a student over the internet.

3. Boobs are not the only example of sexual dimorphism. Pitch of
voice, bone structure, coloring, behavior towards younger members of a
species, agression or lack thereof in one sex compared to the other all
constitute sexual dimorphism. And that's just off the top of my head.

Yes, but aside from aforementioned boobs and pitch of voice, none of those were shown in ME. What I wasa trying to get at is that Bioware is really lazy when it comes to modeling. Notice how Thane's son wear's the exact same jacket he does, popped collar and all?

4.
I believe Nyreen looked quite distinctive from Garrus for example. I
also believe Eve had a distinct pitch of voice compared to Wrex, same
with Dalatrass Linron and Mordin.

5. If you were trying to say that
most of the galactic civilized species from ME are not sexually
dimorphic then you were incorrect (see points 3 and 4).

Nyreen wasn't in ME1, and we don't even have other female Turians for reference. As for the pitch of voices, I find that a bit generic, because all Bioware really had to do was hire female voice actors. Secondly, if I am not mistaken, we hear everything filtered through a translator, which for all we know alters the pitch of the voice in order to make it easier for the user to distinguish between genders.

Why is this thread still alive?

I find questions like these ironic. Every response bumps the thread to the top of the list, thereby prolonging it's life.