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[Overlander]

What kills me regarding this topic is that all of these people taking a look and replying, only to state that it's impossible due to its omission in the codex. No weigh-in regarding if the inclusion would be welcome or not, no debate as to how it would/wouldn't work; just a blanket "no", along with derision regarding anyone whose opinions run contrary.

To them, I offer this question: if you have no interest in the subject, and find only contempt for those who do, then WHY ARE YOU EVEN READING THIS THREAD? So far as I've seen, you have options regarding which topics you frequent, and which you ignore. If this topic doesn't suit you, hit the back button on your browser and try again. Simple as that. The rest of us won't be offended if you don't chime in with your out-of-hand dismissal of the subject, and we most certainly won't miss the derision you tend to heap on alongside it.

Comments like that don't add to the proceedings, nor do they contribute to the discussion. All they do is bog things down. If it's your intention to do so, I invite you wholeheartedly to fall in a pit and die, preferably on fire. Trolling for the sake of trolling only shows your immaturity and raises questions of your parentage and your capacity for intelligence.

In closing: Fine to give a vote of "nay", but have something to back it up, or at the very least, have some consideration for the others here. Be excellent to each other.

Party on.

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Dudes.

[The Real Bowser]

Armass81 wrote...

Heres my theory on them; They dont exist.

This.

On a side note, I'm surprised this thread is still going.

[gisle]

It might make sense that they had males long, long ago. Maybe even more than 50-100k years ago. That might depend on many factors, factors we don't know since lore about any homeworld is severely lacking. What if they are, despite their human-like appearance, alien in that regard? What if gender is a concept alien to all Thessian life? The latter answer might still allow gender pronouns and the like in many of their languages, since they've been among alien species for 2,500 years.

As for them being alive in today's time, and asari being ashamed. Well, there's the Ardat-Yakshi, which is far, far greater shame to their species than a minority of anothe gender would be, and the turian in Zakera café mention a monastery for them. Point being, any male asari population existing in the present wouldn't be a secret.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 30 janvier 2013 - 11:31 .

[Sinophile]

Thank you Overlander for your adamant defense.

since lore about any homeworld is severely lacking. What if they are, despite their human-like appearance, alien in that regard? What if gender is a concept alien to all Thessian life?

Possibly the most profound thing in this topic thus far. I read a story about the possibilities of cloning Neanderthals in real life. If male Asari existed long ago, would it be possible for Cerberus to clone male Asari?

[inb4lock]

CynicalShep wrote...

I also believe Javik would have mentioned something about male asari, especially if you consider how eager he is to rub the past in T'Soni's face.

This is also what makes me belive that they did not evolve from a species with two genders.

Their female look (to humans) also makes a lot of sense as a monogendered mamal. Their lack of physical strenght might have something to do with their biotics, no need for muscle strength when you can lift stuff with your mind.'
(This would how ever meen they have incredible stamina )

[Gamer790]

Sinophile wrote...

Actually the turians have exhibited sexual dimorphism as well, only look at Nyreen.

Yes, they wait until making a DLC for the third game in the series to introduce a female Turian. They wait almost as long to make a female Krogan(Eve). Even then, the only way you can tell that they are female is the pitch of their voices.

Nyreen seems slighter in build than the male turian model also the mandible and fringe are structured differently.  Now Eve really was just the default krogan male model in a burka looking outfit which was lame.  I also agree that it was lame that they took as long as they did to show us the females of other species.

However I do give you props because you seem to have put a fair amount of thought into this and your probably smarter than I am.

I actually stole that from the thread made a year earlier that Carl linked to, he didn't seem to notice, or has lost interest in this thread.

I still give you props for trying to start a civil conversation and, looking back, I guess I was dismissive and rude in my initial post so sorry.  I still don't buy into the idea that the asari have ever had more than one sex though.

Modifié par Gamer790, 31 janvier 2013 - 09:02 .

[gisle]

"Obligate parthenogenesis is the process in which organisms exclusively reproduce through asexual means.[26] Many species have been shown to transition to obligate parthenogenesis over evolutionary time." - Wikipedia article: Parthenogenesis

We do not have any examples of parthenogenesis (reproduction without the need for fertilization) in any mammals on Earth, but at least it shows that it is a trait that can be transitioned into by evolution. I think that proves the possilibity of there once being males in one or more of the earlier species that evolved into the contemporary asari, but it's not an indicative either way if there actually was a dimorphism at some point.

I must apologize for my initial dismissal, as well.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 31 janvier 2013 - 09:02 .

[Samtheman63]

male asari don't exist, neither do female asari

[CARL_DF90]

Learn the meaning of the words "theory", "speculation", and "fun discussion". Until then please stop trolling people's threads. Thank you.

[inb4lock]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

"Obligate parthenogenesis is the process in which organisms exclusively reproduce through asexual means.[26] Many species have been shown to transition to obligate parthenogenesis over evolutionary time." - Wikipedia article: Parthenogenesis

We do not have any examples of parthenogenesis (reproduction without the need for fertilization) in any mammals on Earth, but at least it shows that it is a trait that can be transitioned into by evolution. I think that proves the possilibity of there once being males in one or more of the earlier species that evolved into the contemporary asari, but it's not an indicative either way if there actually was a dimorphism at some point.

I must apologize for my initial dismissal, as well.

Well considering that the oldest known records we have of the Asari are 50.000 years old and they live to a thousand it is really only 100-150 generations. Which in evolutionary terms aren't much. I cannot dismiss the thought of male Asari.
In my earlier dismissal of it, I had forgot their long lifespan. 100-150 generations only take us back to the Romans, and we haven't evolved much (if at all) since then. But, that being said. I think there would be some form of archeological evidence if there had been any.

[Overlander]

inb4lock wrote...

In my earlier dismissal of it, I had forgot their long lifespan. 100-150 generations only take us back to the Romans, and we haven't evolved much (if at all) since then. But, that being said. I think there would be some form of archeological evidence if there had been any.

While from an evolutionary standpoint, I agree with you, I think you're ignoring the sociological aspects of the possibility. We have no idea as to how, hypothetically speaking, male asari would be viewed in asari history. If they were feared or hated, I would imagine that not much would be kept to remind the asari of their inclusion in their history. After all, look at how the asari view the Ardat-Yakshi. Even in contemporary times, they're treated as the racial equivalent of the skeleton in the closet, sequestered away and rarely spoken of, despite the fact that, according to sources, as many as 1% of the asari are afflicted in some measure. If Mass Effect 3 showed us anything about the asari, it's that they keep their secrets well-hidden and well-guarded, and I submit that said policy would go double for the dirty ones.

It's been posited time and again that, if there were male asari, where did they go? Most of the rationale I've seen suggest evolutionary means phasing them out as their presence grew more obsolete and redundant. Where are the societal possibilities? One possibility that springs to mind, for me, is an intentional purge, especially if males were considered undesireable or even reviled. Our own real-life world history is rife with incidents of leaders attempting to wipe out entire civilizations and races, and I don't see another sentient race, no matter how advanced or "enlightened" they posture themselves to be as much different. If that is the case, then it stands to reason that destruction of any reminders of said subspecie would follow after the task was done.

[CARL_DF90]

Extremely well thought out and said my friend!