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[esper]

FreshIstay wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote..

I wouldn't be so worried about how optinoal content made of pixels in a videogame can be emasculating, if I were you. Though if you are really so offended by content made available to other people, to the point where you think your masculinity is threatened, it might be time to widen your perspective. 

Besides, two guys is by definition twice the masculinity. It's a veritable beacon of wholesome manliness. 

Whoa slow down buddy, any content for videogames is fine as long as whats being requested is reasonable, which it is in this case IMO.  

What I was referring to was being hit t on by another man, in which my point stands, it's offensive for a man to make advances on me, it imply' s i look like i want to be penetrated or that i would put myself inside a filthy place....offensive.
However anyone chooses to live is fine, sexuality doesnt define someone' s character IMO, My Uncle has a Husband and I love them both, I just find thought of homsexual sex disgusting and resent being advanced upon by members of my own gender. Off topic...

More background representation for all sexual orientation' s. lets do it Bioware. 

It's offensive for a man to make a pass on me, it imply's I look like I want to be penetrated or that I would myself inside a filty place... offensive.

(btw, I am a woman)

[Xiomara]

esper wrote...
 

It's offensive for a man to make a pass on me, it imply's I look like I want to be penetrated or that I would myself inside a filty place... offensive.

(btw, I am a woman)

Sorry esper, the rules dictate that we must get over it, stop being so oversensitive, we should be flattered etc....which is exactly what I was told to do on another site when I complained about random asari propositioning my Shepard in ME.

[esper]

Xiomara wrote...

esper wrote...
 

It's offensive for a man to make a pass on me, it imply's I look like I want to be penetrated or that I would myself inside a filty place... offensive.

(btw, I am a woman)

Sorry esper, the rules dictate that we must get over it, stop being so oversensitive, we should be flattered etc....which is exactly what I was told to do on another site when I complained about random asari propositioning my Shepard in ME.

....

And that is why I stopped partying when I was a teenager (and never started again).

[Herr Uhl]

esper wrote...

Xiomara wrote...

esper wrote...
 

It's offensive for a man to make a pass on me, it imply's I look like I want to be penetrated or that I would myself inside a filty place... offensive.

(btw, I am a woman)

Sorry esper, the rules dictate that we must get over it, stop being so oversensitive, we should be flattered etc....which is exactly what I was told to do on another site when I complained about random asari propositioning my Shepard in ME.

....

And that is why I stopped partying when I was a teenager (and never started again).

Oh, I thought you were being facetious.

[FoxShadowblade]

I have no problem if there are these in the game, one of my favorite game couples is Quae and Kinelory from WoW, two NPCs that are never -confirmed- to be lesbians, but it is implied that they care immensely(and in a way much more than friends) for each other.

However, I don't want them hitting on me. I get that some characters are lustful, I get that, but having a gay character make a pass at my character when I did not initiate it(Or, you know, said hi to Anders) is as uncomfortable to me as it is in real life.

[AlexanderCousland]

Gazardiel wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...
What I was referring to was being hit t on by another man, in which my point stands, it's offensive for a man to make advances on me, it imply' s i look like i want to be penetrated or that i would put myself inside a filthy place....offensive.
However anyone chooses to live is fine, sexuality doesnt define someone' s character IMO, My Uncle has a Husband and I love them both, I just find thought of homsexual sex disgusting and resent being advanced upon by members of my own gender. Off topic...

Fascinating.  I wonder what it means when a man makes advances on a woman in your worldview...

Very different. Women' s sexual anatomy the very organ that gives them sexual pleasure and brings life into this world is designed to be penetrated. I understand this doesnt mean all Women want that but it doesnt change the design, If my penis is inserted into a vagina a pregnancy can occur and life created. Men' s sexual anatomy is designed to penetrate, there's no receiver organ. Your butt is part of your digestive system, it' s a place where old food youve eaten leave' s in the form of a stinky lump. I understand guys can be jerks, but life is created by Man approaching Woman or vice versa. Man is not Woman, Woman is not Man. IMO when a man has been penetrated he has entered into a form of submission to another man, thus his masculinity is lesser, not to mention it' s reviling where the picther has put himself. Same for Women and Women IMO. but thats just sex, Love is much more then sex and anyone should be able to Love who they want and I wont fight against them, it' s our own goddamn right as human' s. 

[Herr Uhl]

Are you saying that it is ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex?

[Xiomara]

FreshIstay wrote...

Gazardiel wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...
What I was referring to was being hit t on by another man, in which my point stands, it's offensive for a man to make advances on me, it imply' s i look like i want to be penetrated or that i would put myself inside a filthy place....offensive.
However anyone chooses to live is fine, sexuality doesnt define someone' s character IMO, My Uncle has a Husband and I love them both, I just find thought of homsexual sex disgusting and resent being advanced upon by members of my own gender. Off topic...

Fascinating.  I wonder what it means when a man makes advances on a woman in your worldview...

Very different. Women' s sexual anatomy the very organ that gives them sexual pleasure and brings life into this world is designed to be penetrated. I understand this doesnt mean all Women want that but it doesnt change the design, If my penis is inserted into a vagina a pregnancy can occur and life created. Men' s sexual anatomy is designed to penetrate, there's no receiver organ. Your butt is part of your digestive system, it' s a place where old food youve eaten leave' s in the form of a stinky lump. I understand guys can be jerks, but life is created by Man approaching Woman or vice versa. Man is not Woman, Woman is not Man. IMO when a man has been penetrated he has entered into a form of submission to another man, thus his masculinity is lesser, not to mention it' s reviling where the picther has put himself. Same for Women and Women IMO. but thats just sex, Love is much more then sex and anyone should be able to Love who they want and I wont fight against them, it' s our own goddamn right as human' s. 

Let's see.

Gays are icky? Check
Gay men are not real men? Check.
Women should accept unwanted advances because they have vaginas? Check.
Anal sex cannot possibly be pleasurable for men? Check.
Being gay is fine but don't have sex? Check.

I've had my laugh for the day

[Gazardiel]

FreshIstay wrote...

Very different. Women' s sexual anatomy the very organ that gives them sexual pleasure and brings life into this world is designed to be penetrated. I understand this doesnt mean all Women want that but it doesnt change the design, If my penis is inserted into a vagina a pregnancy can occur and life created. Men' s sexual anatomy is designed to penetrate, there's no receiver organ. Your butt is part of your digestive system, it' s a place where old food youve eaten leave' s in the form of a stinky lump. I understand guys can be jerks, but life is created by Man approaching Woman or vice versa. Man is not Woman, Woman is not Man. IMO when a man has been penetrated he has entered into a form of submission to another man, thus his masculinity is lesser, not to mention it' s reviling where the picther has put himself. Same for Women and Women IMO. but thats just sex, Love is much more then sex and anyone should be able to Love who they want and I wont fight against them, it' s our own goddamn right as human' s. 

Go take Sexual Anatomy 101 and get back to me.  Specfically, look for an organ in females starting with "c" and rhyming with "Doris" and in men starting with "p" and rhyming with "great".  Also, check the stats on sexual activity - gay sex is not just about what you think it is, and the majority of anal sex occurs in straight couples (a lot of guys apparently think girls just **** rainbows, and quite a few guys like being pegged).

See, when I hear perspectives like this, it makes me even more in favor of seeing s/s couples in game since it promotes more enlightening discussions like these! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Oh Christ on a ******. Back on topic before we get locked...again...like every other thread that discusses sexuality.

+1 for the OP's idea. Variety in background NPCs, whether in race or appearance or sexuality, makes the world feel more realistic and alive.

[AlexanderCousland]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Are you saying that it is ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex?

No Im saying I personally find gay sex disgusting, but Gay love is just as legitimate as any Love, It' s Love. 

[Jonata]

It's kind of baffling that no matter how good BioWare is at implementing things like homosexuality in videogames (this company is almost groundbreaking on that topic, there's no doubt about it), there will always be a bunch of closed thread in the forums because of homophobic back and forth amongst users.

[Xiomara]

FreshIstay wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Are you saying that it is ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex?

No Im saying I personally find gay sex disgusting, but Gay love is just as legitimate as any Love, It' s Love. 

Don't you mean you find anal sex disgusting? Anal sex isn't really "gay sex" in itself as since someone has already stated - lots of straight couples engage in it.

[esper]

Herr Uhl wrote...

esper wrote...

Xiomara wrote...

esper wrote...
 

It's offensive for a man to make a pass on me, it imply's I look like I want to be penetrated or that I would myself inside a filty place... offensive.

(btw, I am a woman)

Sorry esper, the rules dictate that we must get over it, stop being so oversensitive, we should be flattered etc....which is exactly what I was told to do on another site when I complained about random asari propositioning my Shepard in ME.

....

And that is why I stopped partying when I was a teenager (and never started again).

Oh, I thought you were being facetious.

I was, but the joke stopped being funny.

[esper]

FreshIstay wrote...

Gazardiel wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...
What I was referring to was being hit t on by another man, in which my point stands, it's offensive for a man to make advances on me, it imply' s i look like i want to be penetrated or that i would put myself inside a filthy place....offensive.
However anyone chooses to live is fine, sexuality doesnt define someone' s character IMO, My Uncle has a Husband and I love them both, I just find thought of homsexual sex disgusting and resent being advanced upon by members of my own gender. Off topic...

Fascinating.  I wonder what it means when a man makes advances on a woman in your worldview...

Very different. Women' s sexual anatomy the very organ that gives them sexual pleasure and brings life into this world is designed to be penetrated. I understand this doesnt mean all Women want that but it doesnt change the design, If my penis is inserted into a vagina a pregnancy can occur and life created. Men' s sexual anatomy is designed to penetrate, there's no receiver organ. Your butt is part of your digestive system, it' s a place where old food youve eaten leave' s in the form of a stinky lump. I understand guys can be jerks, but life is created by Man approaching Woman or vice versa. Man is not Woman, Woman is not Man. IMO when a man has been penetrated he has entered into a form of submission to another man, thus his masculinity is lesser, not to mention it' s reviling where the picther has put himself. Same for Women and Women IMO. but thats just sex, Love is much more then sex and anyone should be able to Love who they want and I wont fight against them, it' s our own goddamn right as human' s. 

Oh my freaking god.You are the type of man that confirms every steroptype of your gender that I am constantly trying to prevent myself from having-

Do you not think that lesbian or as in my case asexual finds the bolded at least partly true too. As an asexual I find every sexual advance on me uncomfortable and off putting (and as with all other orientation, what is true for me is not true for every asexual) because quite frankly it gives the impressiont the advancer thinks I am someone interested in something I find unpleasant to do with other people, which is an insult, but I have to suck it up because I have a vagina. But Maker forbid that someone with a penis hit on you.

If I had to suck it up an learn to be flattered by sexual advances by men, then by Maker so do you.

[AlexanderCousland]

Xiomara wrote..

Don't you mean you find anal sex disgusting? Anal sex isn't really "gay sex" in itself as since someone has already stated - lots of straight couples engage in it.

I wish you guys would quit trying to make me look like a homophobe, I have a Uncle who has a husband and they are both active members of my life who support me and love me in everything i do, they show up to my games, they help me and my girlfriend with rent ocassionly, We love them.  

That said, SEX between memebers of the same gender is disgusting to me  IMO, LOVE between two members of the same sex is the same LOVE everyone  has. 

[Knight of Dane]

Xiomara wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Are you saying that it is ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex?

No Im saying I personally find gay sex disgusting, but Gay love is just as legitimate as any Love, It' s Love. 

Don't you mean you find anal sex disgusting? Anal sex isn't really "gay sex" in itself as since someone has already stated - lots of straight couples engage in it.

I kind of feel similar to FreshIstay..

I respect gay people, accept their love for each other and support any gay rights activism, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone mind you; which I have never heard any homosexuals do really...
But the simple thought of finding myself in sexual activities with another man.. Disturps me.. I don't know if disgust is the right word for it, but it's as close as I can think of right now.
But as said, this does not mean I cannot allow others to engage in those activities, it goes like that the same way I respect people who are in the army but I would never commit to the millitary myself.

[Xiomara]

FreshIstay wrote...

Xiomara wrote..

Don't you mean you find anal sex disgusting? Anal sex isn't really "gay sex" in itself as since someone has already stated - lots of straight couples engage in it.

I wish you guys would quit trying to make me look like a homophobe, I have a Uncle who has a husband and they are both active members of my life who support me and love me in everything i do, they show up to my games, they help me and my girlfriend with rent ocassionly, We love them.  

That said, SEX between memebers of the same gender is disgusting to me  IMO, LOVE between two members of the same sex is the same LOVE everyone  has. 

First of all, I don't have to make you look like anything. Your posts are homophobic and sexist and you managed that without my help. You are clearly intending to come across that way too, so I don't know who you think you are fooling.

Second of all....I wasn't trying to make you look like anything in that post. Saying you find anal sex disgusting as opposed to "gay sex" would make you look less homophobic.

[esper]

FreshIstay wrote...

Xiomara wrote..

Don't you mean you find anal sex disgusting? Anal sex isn't really "gay sex" in itself as since someone has already stated - lots of straight couples engage in it.

I wish you guys would quit trying to make me look like a homophobe, I have a Uncle who has a husband and they are both active members of my life who support me and love me in everything i do, they show up to my games, they help me and my girlfriend with rent ocassionly, We love them.  

That said, SEX between memebers of the same gender is disgusting to me  IMO, LOVE between two members of the same sex is the same LOVE everyone  has. 

You are an homophobe or quite frankly sexist too. You are just using the excuse that I have a gay Uncle to rationalize it.

But when you say stuff like: 'It emasculating", "Being hit on by a man is offending because it gives of the impression I am someone who like..."  I do think you used the word "dirty." And then proceed to say that it is not the same when a man hits on a woman because she has an vagina. If someone offends they are being in the wrong. You could have admitted that you felt uncomfortable with men hitting on you, because you don't like the thought of gay sex. That is fair. But no, you went with, offending, which implies that the hitter is in the wrong. And then you demostrate a double standard where women should not feel offended because (and you are implicit saying this wherever you mean to or not) women have a vagina who fits with your penis.

How are you not an homophobe and sexist?

[AlexJK]

Why should anyone have to feel offended, flattered, or for that matter any other emotion at all when they are approached for something in which they have no interest?

If somebody "hits on" you in a way in which you are not interested (whether this be same sex, opposite sex, or any sex), what is wrong with handling that approach in a mature way, and politely rejecting it? There's no need to express flattery, offence, thanks, disgust, or anything else. Is there?

Reading the posts above, I really feel like I'm missing some obvious piece of information. It's part of our social structure that from time to time one person may approach another and suggest beginning a relationship - be that a friendship, a romantic relationship, a sexual relationship, an illicit relationship, or any other kind. Why isn't "no" an acceptable answer? Why should anyone feel offended by this? Or flattered?

Maybe I just don't get it.

[LPPrince]

It doesn't matter anyway, this thread's not about real life and our world, its about DA3.

So its veering off topic again.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Xiomara wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Are you saying that it is ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex?

No Im saying I personally find gay sex disgusting, but Gay love is just as legitimate as any Love, It' s Love. 

Don't you mean you find anal sex disgusting? Anal sex isn't really "gay sex" in itself as since someone has already stated - lots of straight couples engage in it.

I kind of feel similar to FreshIstay..

I respect gay people, accept their love for each other and support any gay rights activism, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone mind you; which I have never heard any homosexuals do really...
But the simple thought of finding myself in sexual activities with another man.. Disturps me.. I don't know if disgust is the right word for it, but it's as close as I can think of right now.
But as said, this does not mean I cannot allow others to engage in those activities, it goes like that the same way I respect people who are in the army but I would never commit to the millitary myself.

But see, the difference is that you admit that the problem lies with you not the gay man. You do not use words like 'offending' or 'emasciulating' or 'dirty'.

You simply admit: 'that the thought makes me uncomfortable'. There is a world in difference.

[AlexJK]

LPPrince wrote...

So its veering off topic again.

That tends to happen around here 

[esper]

AlexJK wrote...

Why should anyone have to feel offended, flattered, or for that matter any other emotion at all when they are approached for something in which they have no interest?

If somebody "hits on" you in a way in which you are not interested (whether this be same sex, opposite sex, or any sex), what is wrong with handling that approach in a mature way, and politely rejecting it? There's no need to express flattery, offence, thanks, disgust, or anything else. Is there?

Reading the posts above, I really feel like I'm missing some obvious piece of information. It's part of our social structure that from time to time one person may approach another and suggest beginning a relationship - be that a friendship, a romantic relationship, a sexual relationship, an illicit relationship, or any other kind. Why isn't "no" an acceptable answer? Why should anyone feel offended by this? Or flattered?

Maybe I just don't get it.

Well, in my case it is because I have met men that wouldn't take 'thank you, but no thanks' for an real answer. That said, I don't get offended anymore now that I know why I feel uncomfortable with sexual advances, but I get angry when someone (implicit) states that I have to be flattered by it or accept it because I am a women, but they have the right to be offended by the same kind of approach that makes them as uncomfortable as it makes me.

It is the double standard that makes me angry, so angry that I think it is time to bow out of this thread or get some fresh air, before I smash somebody's head in.

[AlexanderCousland]

esper wrote...

You are an homophobe or quite frankly sexist too. You are just using the excuse that I have a gay Uncle to rationalize it.

But when you say stuff like: 'It emasculating", "Being hit on by a man is offending because it gives of the impression I am someone who like..."  I do think you used the word "dirty." And then proceed to say that it is not the same when a man hits on a woman because she has an vagina. If someone offends they are being in the wrong. You could have admitted that you felt uncomfortable with men hitting on you, because you don't like the thought of gay sex. That is fair. But no, you went with, offending, which implies that the hitter is in the wrong. And then you demostrate a double standard where women should not feel offended because (and you are implicit saying this wherever you mean to or not) women have a vagina who fits with your penis.

How are you not an homophobe and sexist?

Please dont label me, Im sure you wouldnt like it if I did the same.

If You like Turtle Sex im not required to be okay with the idea of Turtle sex, but you can love your Turtle I wouldnt treat you any differently because you like Turtle Sex....and before you take it to the extreme...it' s an analogy.  Im perfectly fine with whatever kind of sex anyone like' s, but my personal thought on gay sex is that it' s digusting....How' s that homophobic? Should I stand on a mantle and profess Gay sex is the most lovely form of sex that exists?  I dont think that. BUT WHAT I DO THINK IS PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LOVE WHOEVER THEY WANT AND ARE ENTITLED TO THE SAME RIGHTS AS ANYONE ELSE.