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[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Couples do not walk around together, NPC pathing doesn't work that way. It would be technically impossible for couples to walk around "together."

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 janvier 2013 - 06:49 .

[In Exile]

Emzamination wrote...
Wade & herren gave no inkling in game they were lovers.

They screamed married couple to me.

Branka was a married woman and hespith was her lover on the side.

Leliana and marjolaine were... Idk. I think relationship is too strong a term for them as they both messed around with other people.

If they're polyamorous, that doesn't mean it's not a relationship.

[AlexanderCousland]

Emzamination wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

There just must be an abundance of "real" heterosexual relationships in Dragon Age then shouldn't there

oh wait

Indeed, off the top of my head... redcliffe is full of npc husbands and wives.

Arlessa isolde and arl eamon

Diamond quarter during the noble dwarf origin

Harrowmonts wife

The city elf origin couple that gives you a wedding gift.

The city elf couple who you can choose to aid in keeping their home.

Camon and gheyna.

So, you saying there should be Male/Male Female/Female in the same fashion? 

Why does Anders/Karl relationship being exposed due to you PC seem to take away something or make it lesser for you? 

[AlexanderCousland]

In Exile wrote..


If they're polyamorous, that doesn't mean it's not a relationship.

WoW Agreement 

[Sharn01]

cJohnOne wrote...

Hmmm is the medieval setting feel right for same sex couples? What's the chantry view of same sex releationships? Bioware hasn't been shy in allowing female equality and leadership roles so I don't see why not same sex relationships.

Its not a medieval setting its a fantasy setting.

[Emzamination]

Lenimph wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Leliana and marjolaine were... Idk. I think relationship is too strong a term for them as they both messed around with other people.

That definition... pretty much invalidates any romance from being a "relationship" if the player visits the rose or the pearl or has a threesome, or is romancing Isabela... 

That being said Leliana makes it pretty obvious she was in a relationship with Marjolaine by her standards. 

isabela doesn't cheat on the player once they're in a relationship, but I'm not talking about player relationships or s/s relationships the player can only see when they meet certain criteria such as Anders & karl.

[Dhiro]

Emzamination wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I'd like to see wife/wife, Husband/Husband in the market places tenderly buying orlesian silks together, having arguments, being affectionate with each-other or walking around town together, like the m/f couple npcs

No NPCs do this, heterosexual or otherwise.

Incorrect, there is a couple in the diamond quarter of the noble dwarf origin arguing about armor. Cammon &gheyna, Isolde & eamon and the de launcets are affectionate with each-other. You can just step into kirkwall hightown to see couples walking around together.

I've seen no such thing. More importantly, the fact that a male and a female NPCs are walking the same direction doesn't make them a couple any more than random people on the sidewalk.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Emzamination wrote...

isabela doesn't cheat on the player once they're in a relationship, but I'm not talking about player relationships or s/s relationships the player can only see when they meet certain criteria such as Anders & karl.

Oh, so it actually is another Emzam makes up ridiculous criteria in order for any example to fit her custom, narrow definition of something.

It doesn't matter what your character saw or didn't see, we are players talking about games. Whether he told your female Hawke or not, Anders was in a relationship with Karl.

Do you want to have this discussion and intend to consider all examples or not?

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 janvier 2013 - 06:54 .

[Lenimph]

Emzamination wrote...

isabela doesn't cheat on the player once they're in a relationship, but I'm not talking about player relationships or s/s relationships the player can only see when they meet certain criteria such as Anders & karl.

My point was about Leliana's definition of what her relationship was with Marjolaine, a relationship that happens no matter what, and had a whole DLC to spot light.

  

[ademska]

Pseudocognition wrote...
Oh, so it actually is another Emzam makes up ridiculous criteria in order for any example to fit her custom, narrow definition of something.

It doesn't matter what your character saw or didn't see, we are players talking about games. Whether he told your female Hawke or not, Anders was in a relationship with Karl.

Do you want to have this discussion and intend to consider all examples or not?

but their relationship (like wade and herren's) is extra-textual information. not always, of course, but it isn't available to every player in every game type.

what emzam is asking for is visibility without condition. just grant one or two sets of npcs the same overt affection and relationship that only requires engaging with them to see that every other het couple enjoys.

[Emzamination]

Pseudocognition wrote...

But Anders and Karl are too player-centric? Camen and Gheyna would not be together if not for the Warden.

This is another Emzam makes up ridiculous criteria in order for any example to fit her custom, narrow definition of something isn't it.

The player is required to be male for Anders & karls relationship to exist. Meta-game knowledge isn't valid. The player however doesn't have to meet any criteria to find out camen and gheyna are in a relationship. The player pushing them into marriage is irrelevant.

[In Exile]

FreshIstay wrote...
WoW Agreement 

Just cause we disagree on video-games doesn't mean we don't agree on actually important things about life!

[Dhiro]

In Exile wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...
WoW Agreement 

Just cause we disagree on video-games doesn't mean we don't agree on actually important things about life!

I spent far too much time wondering if Agreement was a new World of Warcraft expansion

[Emzamination]

FreshIstay wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

There just must be an abundance of "real" heterosexual relationships in Dragon Age then shouldn't there

oh wait

Indeed, off the top of my head... redcliffe is full of npc husbands and wives.

Arlessa isolde and arl eamon

Diamond quarter during the noble dwarf origin

Harrowmonts wife

The city elf origin couple that gives you a wedding gift.

The city elf couple who you can choose to aid in keeping their home.

Camon and gheyna.

So, you saying there should be Male/Male Female/Female in the same fashion? 

Why does Anders/Karl relationship being exposed due to you PC seem to take away something or make it lesser for you? 

You only find out about that if you play a male hawke. The only way you'd know as a female is through meta-game knowledge.

[Emzamination]

ademska wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
Oh, so it actually is another Emzam makes up ridiculous criteria in order for any example to fit her custom, narrow definition of something.

It doesn't matter what your character saw or didn't see, we are players talking about games. Whether he told your female Hawke or not, Anders was in a relationship with Karl.

Do you want to have this discussion and intend to consider all examples or not?

but their relationship (like wade and herren's) is extra-textual information. not always, of course, but it isn't available to every player in every game type.

what emzam is asking for is visibility without condition. just grant one or two sets of npcs the same overt affection and relationship that only requires engaging with them to see that every other het couple enjoys.

Thanks

[LadyMalstroem]

Emzamination wrote...

The player is required to be male for Anders & karls relationship to exist. Meta-game knowledge isn't valid. The player however doesn't have to meet any criteria to find out camen and gheyna are in a relationship. The player pushing them into marriage is irrelevant.

It's not really meta-game knowledge when it's in the game. They were in a relationship, whether Anders tells you or not. They weren't "just good friends" if Hawke is female.

And I really don't see how Wade and Herren (or all the other ones Pseudocognition mentioned) don't qualify. It just sounds like you're building a smaller and smaller box for yourself here.

[In Exile]

LadyMalstroem wrote...
It's not really meta-game knowledge when it's in the game. They were in a relationship, whether Anders tells you or not. They weren't "just good friends" if Hawke is female.

But the player still wouldn't learn it without an MHawke <3ing anders.

[TheJediSaint]

Regardless of the debate of how visible established same-sex relationships have been, I think the point is that Bioware should make same-sex relationships more visible in future games. Considering that it's already been established in the lore that same-sex relationships are not stigmatized, this would probably be fine.

[Emzamination]

LadyMalstroem wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The player is required to be male for Anders & karls relationship to exist. Meta-game knowledge isn't valid. The player however doesn't have to meet any criteria to find out camen and gheyna are in a relationship. The player pushing them into marriage is irrelevant.

It's not really meta-game knowledge when it's in the game. They were in a relationship, whether Anders tells you or not. They weren't "just good friends" if Hawke is female.

And I really don't see how Wade and Herren (or all the other ones Pseudocognition mentioned) don't qualify. It just sounds like you're building a smaller and smaller box for yourself here.

It's not in game tho. If the player never plays a male hawke, they'd never have knowledge of the relationship making it non-existent.

O rly? Please give me one instance in origins where wade & herren give off the smallest hint that they're a couple.

[Dhiro]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Regardless of the debate of how visible established same-sex relationships have been, I think the point is that Bioware should make same-sex relationships more visible in future games. Considering that it's already been established in the lore that same-sex relationships are not stigmatized, this would probably be fine.

I'd like that.

[ademska]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Regardless of the debate of how visible established same-sex relationships have been, I think the point is that Bioware should make same-sex relationships more visible in future games. Considering that it's already been established in the lore that same-sex relationships are not stigmatized, this would probably be fine.

yeah, we can probably end this whole thread right here.

[AlexanderCousland]

In Exile wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...
WoW Agreement 

Just cause we disagree on video-games doesn't mean we don't agree on actually important things about life!

  (mumbles snark rebuttal)

[robtheguru]

As a straight man the thought disgusts me! Jokes aside, really dont mind either way, aslong as there are female LI's lol.

I think Orlais is most likely to be the one place youd see something like this. Everything ive heard about it from characters makes it seem very 'open' to everything

[AlexanderCousland]

Emzamination wrote...


You only find out about that if you play a male hawke. The only way you'd know as a female is through meta-game knowledge.

So, i' ll refrase the question: 

 Why is it important for you to know as a female?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Emzamination wrote...

It's not in game tho. If the player never plays a male hawke, they'd never have knowledge of the relationship making it non-existent.

O rly? Please give me one instance in origins where wade & herren give off the smallest hint that they're a couple.

Why would they need to go through lengths to prove they are a couple to the player?

At any rate, Word of God is that they are a couple.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:23 .