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[Clayless]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

It doesn't. EDI display emotions in ME2, he even mentions this, and the Geth want each Geth to become individuals, they show very little interest in emotions.

Nothing happens that contradicts what he said.

The Geth in ME2 did not want to be individuals. In fact, they wanted to upload themselves into one big space sphere so that way they would "never be alone."

Making it so each single Geth is an AI, without being networked, doesn't change that. They still can do that post-ME3.

[Someone With Mass]

AlanC9 wrote...

Do they? I don't see how being synthetic gets you around those existential questions.

Don't know about EDI, but the geth do.

[TMA LIVE]

I see it as different writers have different ideas on the Geth and EDI. Which isn't surprising. Samara's words on 3 humans in a room will have 6 opinions comes to mind.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 13 janvier 2013 - 05:49 .

[CronoDragoon]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

It doesn't. EDI display emotions in ME2, he even mentions this, and the Geth want each Geth to become individuals, they show very little interest in emotions.

Nothing happens that contradicts what he said.

The Geth in ME2 did not want to be individuals. In fact, they wanted to upload themselves into one big space sphere so that way they would "never be alone."

While EDI's story transforms into Pinocchio in ME3, I do not believe the geth do. I see nothing to suggest they want to become like organics except through their individualization. There is still no desire for emotion, instinct, etc. The difference in opinion in ME2/3 comes down to Legion believing in ME2 that the perfect understanding of his race can come through the hive-mind, whereas by the time Rannoch rolls around he has seen just how dangerous and underwhelming the hive-mind can be. After all, the hive-mind's understanding could be easily destroyed by destroying individual programs. This is exactly what happened to the geth that lowered their collective intelligence such that they decided to fight with the Reapers to save themselves.

By individualizing the geth, you safeguard the intelligence of each mobile platform while preserving the possibility of those individual units' understanding evolving. It's a safety net, if you will, that can insure that while they can no longer achieve a collective minds-as-one race understanding, they are also protected, as a race, against changes that could destroy their race with relative ease.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 13 janvier 2013 - 06:13 .

[Optimus J]

L'Etoile, Kristjansen and Weekes should have assumed as a "Lead writers triumvirate" on Karpynshyn departure.

[SolidisusSnake1]

Once again this proves how utterly retarded the "Creator v. Created/Organic v. Synthetic" central conflict on the Reapers to be stupid and something added in at the last second. Everything about ME2 and even throughout ME3 proves that this logic is retarded. Had this conflict been introduced in ME1 it might have been fine as we knew nothing about the Geth and assumed they were all evil robots, but ME2 and 3 destroys this logic. You cannot espouse the supposed conflict between Organics and Synthetics when not just 3 hours ago you managed to broker a peace between the Geth and Quarians without the use of a Space Magic machine.

[CronoDragoon]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

Once again this proves how utterly retarded the "Creator v. Created/Organic v. Synthetic" central conflict on the Reapers to be stupid and something added in at the last second. Everything about ME2 and even throughout ME3 proves that this logic is retarded. Had this conflict been introduced in ME1 it might have been fine as we knew nothing about the Geth and assumed they were all evil robots, but ME2 and 3 destroys this logic. You cannot espouse the supposed conflict between Organics and Synthetics when not just 3 hours ago you managed to broker a peace between the Geth and Quarians without the use of a Space Magic machine.

You are supposed to disagree with the villain's logic.

[Fixers0]

CronoDragoon wrote...

You are supposed to disagree with the villain's logic.

But not based on it's literary quality.

[CronoDragoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

But not based on it's literary quality.

Villain has a viewpoint that the hero "proves" wrong through his actions. Seems like things are working as intended.

[GreyLycanTrope]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

He wrote my waifu in ME1, and wasn't involved in ME3. So for anyone wondering why Ashley's character had a big drop in quality during ME3, there ya go.

This!  Just why did he have to go and leave Ash to... these people?

It seems he left because he didn't like the "throwing things in because they seem cool" approach of writing the story, instead of using the context of the story itself. Refer to his quote on Legion having Shepards armor.

Throwing in concepts because they seem cool, not because they make sense, where have i seen that before?:

<_< I wonder

[TMA LIVE]

Greylycantrope wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

He wrote my waifu in ME1, and wasn't involved in ME3. So for anyone wondering why Ashley's character had a big drop in quality during ME3, there ya go.

This!  Just why did he have to go and leave Ash to... these people?

It seems he left because he didn't like the "throwing things in because they seem cool" approach of writing the story, instead of using the context of the story itself. Refer to his quote on Legion having Shepards armor.

Throwing in concepts because they seem cool, not because they make sense, where have i seen that before?:

<_< I wonder

Isn't what you're posting the very reason why Gaider doesn't really look at the forums now a days?

[RocketManSR2]

Rage reborn

[BSpud]

God damn it, ME3 needed you, Chris.

[Lakeshow1986]

This makes sense on why I was never that keen on Ashley in ME3, it just wasn't the same character to me. I really do feel that Mass Effect the trilogy was hurt by the swapping in-out of writers.

[RocketManSR2]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

This makes sense on why I was never that keen on Ashley in ME3, it just wasn't the same character to me. I really do feel that Mass Effect the trilogy was hurt by the swapping in-out of writers.

Also by the higher-ups not letting the writers do their f***ing jobs. Butt out.

- Those famous notes by Walters...I wonder if he had to do that because it was imposed on him? He may have also been told how much time he would actually have to finish it and hit the panic button. Both of those point to EA or higher-ups in BW forcing something on him. Not a good way to run a company. You hire professional writers, let them work.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:53 .

[Vlk3]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

God damn it, ME3 needed you, Chris.

Yes, it did.

And his characters needed him, too. I suppose no one would forget that a certain character could be romanced in ME2. At least Thane and Shep would get a proper content even if with the same outcome. And I miss ME2 EDI.

[CronoDragoon]

Vlk3 wrote...

And his characters needed him, too. I suppose no one would forget that a certain character could be romanced in ME2. At least Thane and Shep would get a proper content even if with the same outcome. And I miss ME2 EDI.

Yeah, me too. Hard to see what EDI as a robot brought to her story that EDI has the ship AI could not have. Besides a mandatory engineer teammate of course.

[fiendishchicken]

Wow...

My anger has been completely reignited.

Thank you and damn you at the same time.

[GreyLycanTrope]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Isn't what you're posting the very reason why Gaider doesn't really look at the forums now a days?

What you mean the truth? ZING!

Seriously though in case you haven't noticed they've made it pretty clear my "toxic" opinion is flat out being ignored already, I doubt I'm hurting any feelings. And if I wasn't being ignored calling me mean is a terrible response to criticism.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:51 .

[AresKeith]

Greylycantrope wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Isn't what you're posting the very reason why Gaider doesn't really look at the forums now a days?

What you mean the truth? ZING!

Seriously though in case you haven't noticed they've made it pretty clear my "toxic" opinion is flat out being ignored already, I doubt I'm hurting any feelings. And if I wasn't being ignored calling me mean is a terrible response to criticism.

How dare you give criticism!

[GreyLycanTrope]

AresKeith wrote...
How dare you give criticism!

I'm so sorry. I'll just keep quiet and hand out cookies from now on. Wait no ones oat meal raisin, some of you are no doubt allegric, sorry again that was very insensitive of me.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 13 janvier 2013 - 08:00 .

[TMA LIVE]

Greylycantrope wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Isn't what you're posting the very reason why Gaider doesn't really look at the forums now a days?

What you mean the truth? ZING!

Seriously though in case you haven't noticed they've made it pretty clear my "toxic" opinion is flat out being ignored already, I doubt I'm hurting any feelings. And if I wasn't being ignored calling me mean is a terrible response to criticism.

How is posting something out of context critism?

[spirosz]

essarr71 wrote...

Oh how I miss you, ME2 Geth.

[Fixers0]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Villain has a viewpoint that the hero "proves" wrong through his actions. Seems like things are working as intended.

But that viewpoint should not be inheritly wrong due to the writing quality (or lack therof,)

[CronoDragoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

But that viewpoint should not be inheritly wrong due to the writing quality (or lack therof,)

Can you please give examples? The Catalyst is flawed because it was programmed by organics, not because of the writing quality.