88 réponses à ce sujet

[warblewobble]

Okay, Miranda would be a ME2 squadmate but I agree that she would be an excellent candidate for the position. I was just asking about ME1 because I was thinking that if you had told me that someone on the team from the first game would become the SB in the second, Liara would've been far from my first guess.

[The Night Mammoth]

I never even registered that you only said ME1, that was stupid, sorry.

Of the ME1 team?

Garrus, would be the more likely than the rest, what with the whole working outside the law thing he has going.

Maybe if Liara's story between all three games was much stronger the idea of the shy archaeologist that no one suspects becoming this ruthless criminal overlord would have worked really well.

[themikefest]

with T'soni collecting resources for the Crucible,I would've sent her to Hackett where she won't have any distractions or at least have the option to send her to Hackett

[fiendishchicken]

Here is how Liara is as a shadow broker.



She's useless. Get her the hell off my ship.

[CynicalShep]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Here is how Liara is as a shadow broker.



She's useless. Get her the hell off my ship.

Now, now, she's not that bad. She is not the murderous mess from ME2, a good biotic and a nice piece of @ss 

[warblewobble]

I actually agree with Garrus being a good fit, I think. In ME1 he seemed really on the fence about whether it was worth it to strive to work within the law. (No surprise that he went vigilante in ME2. My Shep encouraged him along the paragon route, but I guess this mainly dictates whether he tries going back to C-Sec or training to be a Spectre before he gets fed up with it.)

I'd also still place Tali and Wrex as more suitable in that role than Liara. They might not be great fits, exactly, but I could see Tali having her strengths more on the surveillance/espionage side of things (plus, she could find lots of new info on technology that would help her people) and Wrex being more suited to the ruthless, hardened crimelord side of it. Again, this would be going on only having knowledge of their characters in the first game, not what they became later on.

I guess I'd still put Liara above the VS, though. I can't see a dedicated Alliance officer going for that role at all.

Yes, the shy archaeologist who surprises everyone could've worked if they had shown some hint of a ruthless or vindictive side in the first game. That's the problem. You do technically see her showing a bit of that before she becomes the SB but it feels like it comes out of nowhere.

Part of me wonders whether that line about flaying someone's mind sounded a lot cooler to her in her head...which actually would sort of compliment her nerdiness.

[Fawx9]

Actually Garrus in the position would have been fun. You'd risk running even closer to Batman parallels, but honestly is that a bad thing?

[Steelcan]

How about Miranda as SB?

[Belisarius25]

Fawx9 wrote...

Actually Garrus in the position would have been fun. You'd risk running even closer to Batman parallels, but honestly is that a bad thing?

Garrus seems like too much of a man of action to be the SB imo.

Miranda seems like the best choice of the ME1/2 squadmates by far. 

[warblewobble]

The shadow broker's lair? Nope... The Garrus Cave. I'd actually love to see Garrus design a Garrus-mobile, Garrus-boat, and Garrus-plane. Can you imagine him driving vehicles with stylized turian frills (I think that's what they're called) on them?

[warblewobble]

Again, I think Miranda would be a great choice, but I was asking about ME1 characters.

[Steelcan]

warblewobble wrote...

Again, I think Miranda would be a great choice, but I was asking about ME1 characters.

Conrad Verner

[fiendishchicken]

CynicalShep wrote...
Now, now, she's not that bad. She is not the murderous mess from ME2, a good biotic and a nice piece of @ss 

Yes, she is that bad. Her constant whininess, especially after Thessia, shows she's a debilitated civilian that can't take the horrors of war. She may be a decent biotic. So is Javik. So is Samara. So is Jack. So is Miranda. Why can't I have them instead? 

I don't see Liara as a HPOA at all. She's blue, and she has tentacles on her head. She's an alien. I don't find aliens attractive in the slightest.

[Fawx9]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Actually Garrus in the position would have been fun. You'd risk running even closer to Batman parallels, but honestly is that a bad thing?

Garrus seems like too much of a man of action to be the SB imo.

Miranda seems like the best choice of the ME1/2 squadmates by far. 

Depends.

Are we going for an Oracle type SB or a Batman type SB? If its the former, I agree that Miranda would be best. But in a time of war you could argue that you need someone that could put the knoweldge into action themselves which is where Garrus would come in.

[Belisarius25]

None of the non-Liara ME1 characters makes too much sense. Ashley/Kaidan are Alliance soldiers. Wrex is a Krogan bounty hunter who (if spoken to/developed) has much bigger priorities than being the SB. Tali is an engineer/way too inexperienced.

Garrus sort of fits, but as I noted in my previous post, he's really a soldier too and I don't see him as the kind of character that would be satisfied running the SB's network from some lair, he'd probably get really really bored/frustrated trying to manage the entire network.

If you want to get someone from ME1, maybe someone like Barla Von who was already in his organization and has worked with Shepard before (and seems pretty reasonable), I don't know.

Modifié par Belisarius25, 13 janvier 2013 - 09:18 .

[hadrain77]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

While I personally happen to like Liara, I did find myself wondering why she was made Shadow Broker in the first place when she contributes little to the war effort on that account. Meanwhile, Traynor manages to come up with important leads pretty much on the fly.

Because Bioware is making up stuff as they go along; Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is the end of the Redemption comic ark, and I seriously doubt that the writers had planned out ME3 when they made LotSB.

Having said that, Liara never set out to take over as SB (her motivation was revenge and/or rescuing Feron) - she just took the unexpected opportunity when it presented itself. As such, it's not inconceivable for her to be bad at it.

On an unrelated note, intelligence has a role in warfare, but it's not gonna be all that helpful if the enemy is everywhere overtly killing everyone.

Didnt' she spend the two years you where dead becoming a information broker, seems like good experience for becoming the shadow broker.

[warblewobble]

Steelcan wrote...

warblewobble wrote...

Again, I think Miranda would be a great choice, but I was asking about ME1 characters.

Conrad Verner

You know, that could actually be genius in a 'Usual Suspects' kind of way. Talk about it always being the one you least expect.

[Steelcan]

warblewobble wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

warblewobble wrote...

Again, I think Miranda would be a great choice, but I was asking about ME1 characters.

Conrad Verner

You know, that could actually be genius in a 'Usual Suspects' kind of way. Talk about it always being the one you least expect.

. There's also Mess Sargeant Gardner, the real brains behind Cerberus.

but you said ME1

[The Night Mammoth]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Actually Garrus in the position would have been fun. You'd risk running even closer to Batman parallels, but honestly is that a bad thing?

Garrus seems like too much of a man of action to be the SB imo.

I meant that of all six ME1 squadmates he'd be the one most likely to fill the position, but still not a great fit, none of them are. 

I thought Garrus because he's already involved in the criminal world after C-sec, and prefers working without restrictions. The only other character that would even have been a possibility is Wrex, but he's definitely too much of a man of action

Miranda seems like the best choice of the ME1/2 squadmates by far. 

Agreed on that. Would have been great to see her throw off the Illusive Man and go head to head with Cerberus. 

[Knubbsal]

Sam is a nice character, but Kelly was good for nothing. I never wanted to call her by her first name so she never talked to my Shepard unless there was a mail. "Lets keep this professional" apparently meant "Do not interact on any level" to her. Didn't even see her in ME3. Whatever.

Liara is fine as the Shadow Broker; She's doing way more important things than providing Shepard with missions. If you're reading her log you'll see she's been helping with the war effort far more than anyone else. It's also handy to take the most knowledgeable person with you on missions, not seeing anything weird there. And honestly, I laughed when she pwned Jack, I mean Jennifer.

And lastly, Sam is the communications expert of the Normandy. It wouldn't be very logical for Liara to do Sams job when there wasn't any indication that Sam is incompetent. Do not compare her to Yeoman "you have no new messages" Chambers.

[DWH1982]

It's too bad that Lair of the Shadow Broker was a DLC, and not part of the main game in ME2.

If it had been part of the main game, perhaps the way to go would have been to have Feron survive any outcome, and take over the SB network instead of Liara. Then Liara could focus on tracking down the Prothean weapon, utilizing her archeologist skills plus the SB resources that Feron gives to her.

If we insist on having squadmates take over, though, I agree with those who say that Miranda would have been a more natural choice. But I'm not sure how to fit it in to the trilogy.

[Steelcan]

Liara's "helping"
-She found some platinum
-She told Shepard about some possible leads

That's about it really

[Barquiel]

warblewobble wrote...

Again, I think Miranda would be a great choice, but I was asking about ME1 characters.

Finding Oriana shouldn't be the main task of the Shadow Broker during a reaper invasion

Liara was just fine (it's more a "show, don't tell" problem). Her actions were just in the background, like sending shiploads of resources to the Crucible or rescuing asari refugees on Thessia. She's also an expert on Prothean technology, and that's exactly what we needed.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

warblewobble wrote...

Again, I think Miranda would be a great choice, but I was asking about ME1 characters.

Finding Oriana shouldn't be the main task of the Shadow Broker during a reaper invasion

Liara was just fine (it's more a "show, don't tell" problem). Her actions were just in the background, like sending shiploads of resources to the Crucible or rescuing asari refugees on Thessia. She's also an expert on Prothean technology, and that's exactly what we needed.

Expert?  She didn't know a damn thing about them.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

Liara's "helping"
-She found some platinum
-She told Shepard about some possible leads

That's about it really

That you know of.