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[chidingewe8036]

Bioware just add a reunite ending for Shepard his crew and allies thats all I and many others ask. After this amazing Trilogy you created u leave Shepard in the rumble????? That is a bigger slap in the face than the refuse ending was can't u understand that? Our Shepard's deserve atleast one happy outcome visually represented in game not just in our minds. It would give fans an extra option, one final option and close out everything without any regrets and would therefore move us on to the next Chapter of Mass Effect without looking back other than to reflect on an epic journey that was.

I, for one am still here because I have hope you will do the right thing next to your character and many loyal fans. I am not trying to speak for everyone no but all of our Shepards good, bad, or otherwise atleast deserve to have that option that choice in the end if this is truly the end.

[dreamgazer]

3DandBeyond wrote...

iakus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

So many people asking for the same thing over many months.

You don't suppose ME3 might be missing something, do you?

Well, yeah, I know they're a business but the component that seemed to exist before that is now absent is a heart.

What'll happen when they create a new-to-purchase ending that some might see as pandering to their disgruntled fans? Will they be seen as money-eyed and exploitative?

[Dr_Extrem]

DinoSteve wrote...

I can't believe this thread is still going, how many times do people need to be told its not going to happen.

found the right thread?

[archangel1996]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I can't believe this thread is still going, how many times do people need to be told its not going to happen.

found the right thread?

[Epique Phael767]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

OfficerDjHooker wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

Ha. Yes, well, they'll be missing me buying any SP DLC. I was hoping when I heard about this last mysterious dlc (last bit extinguished) that there would be something to it that would allow me to enjoy what had been my favorite series again and get excited over the previously released dlc, because I don't -and haven't since the EC- see the point playing any more of the SP as it stands. It's heartbreaking and depressing and the opposite of fun.
I'm sad. 

Me too  Can't believe it but may have to rely on mehem to get some type of good ending for shepard available

Alas...no such balm for me since I'm on xbox. 

I really don't see what the big deal is. Why can't they offer a product to a customer base that wants said product? I mean..usually salesmen are trying to figure out how to get people to buy something...I feel slightly ridiculous begging a company to make me a product to spend my money on...I mean, companies fill special orders  all the time. There's clearly a demand. And for those who are happy with things as they are..they don't have to buy it.

Dear Bioware, Can you special order me a happy triumphant ending like in ME1 and ME2 where my Shepard kicks major booty and comes out at the end like a boss? That was my expectation for ME3 based on the precedent you set in the first two games. Thank you.

It's less than funny isn't it.  Companies beg for feedback in order to gauge the interests of their customers.  They also wish they could have an active fanbase because a silent customer tells them nothing about their product-they may only know they've failed when sales drop but then have to use psychic means to figure out what went wrong.

BW has fans that actually explain at length what went wrong and how it might be fixed, and that have offered to pay for the fix. 

As someone who has been in management in the private and public sector and has taken many management courses (expensive), BW is getting for free the knowledge that other companies have to pay to teach their employees to try to get out of customers.  "How are we doing and how can we do better?"  It's also one of the main rules of customer service.  You ask an unhappy customer what it would take to make them happy and then decide if you can fulfill that wish or not and you create a dialogue with those customers.  Above all is the desire to keep that customer even if you lose money on one deal.

However when you have someone like mac walters and casey hudson who refuse to change the endings due to their delusions of art and at the same time Bioware/EA refuses to fire them or hire anyone else, you get the stalemate we have now where neither side is happy.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

archangel1996 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I can't believe this thread is still going, how many times do people need to be told its not going to happen.

found the right thread?

lol Indeed

Modifié par DinoSteve, 15 janvier 2013 - 06:31 .

[Demi g]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Bioware just add a reunite ending for Shepard his crew and allies thats all I and many others ask. After this amazing Trilogy you created u leave Shepard in the rumble????? That is a bigger slap in the face than the refuse ending was can't u understand that? Our Shepard's deserve atleast one happy outcome visually represented in game not just in our minds. It would give fans an extra option, one final option and close out everything without any regrets and would therefore move us on to the next Chapter of Mass Effect without looking back other than to reflect on an epic journey that was.

I, for one am still here because I have hope you will do the right thing next to your character and many loyal fans. I am not trying to speak for everyone no but all of our Shepards good, bad, or otherwise atleast deserve to have that option that choice in the end if this is truly the end.

^^This.

Is it asking too much to see a fifteen second clip after the credits of a random soldier or LI to turn to another charictor and say "They found Sheppard.... S/He's....." then add "Alive..." or "..." (the last one followed by a headshake/tears/NOOOOOOOOOOO!

<_<

[Postman778]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

OfficerDjHooker wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

Ha. Yes, well, they'll be missing me buying any SP DLC. I was hoping when I heard about this last mysterious dlc (last bit extinguished) that there would be something to it that would allow me to enjoy what had been my favorite series again and get excited over the previously released dlc, because I don't -and haven't since the EC- see the point playing any more of the SP as it stands. It's heartbreaking and depressing and the opposite of fun.
I'm sad. 

Me too  Can't believe it but may have to rely on mehem to get some type of good ending for shepard available

Alas...no such balm for me since I'm on xbox. 

I really don't see what the big deal is. Why can't they offer a product to a customer base that wants said product? I mean..usually salesmen are trying to figure out how to get people to buy something...I feel slightly ridiculous begging a company to make me a product to spend my money on...I mean, companies fill special orders  all the time. There's clearly a demand. And for those who are happy with things as they are..they don't have to buy it.

Dear Bioware, Can you special order me a happy triumphant ending like in ME1 and ME2 where my Shepard kicks major booty and comes out at the end like a boss? That was my expectation for ME3 based on the precedent you set in the first two games. Thank you.

It's less than funny isn't it.  Companies beg for feedback in order to gauge the interests of their customers.  They also wish they could have an active fanbase because a silent customer tells them nothing about their product-they may only know they've failed when sales drop but then have to use psychic means to figure out what went wrong.

BW has fans that actually explain at length what went wrong and how it might be fixed, and that have offered to pay for the fix. 

As someone who has been in management in the private and public sector and has taken many management courses (expensive), BW is getting for free the knowledge that other companies have to pay to teach their employees to try to get out of customers.  "How are we doing and how can we do better?"  It's also one of the main rules of customer service.  You ask an unhappy customer what it would take to make them happy and then decide if you can fulfill that wish or not and you create a dialogue with those customers.  Above all is the desire to keep that customer even if you lose money on one deal.

Some people/companies are resistant... LaLaLaLa we can´ t hear you LaLaLaLa - - - - LaLaLaLa we are artists LaLaLaLa - - - - LaLaLaLa ME3 got only positive critics by the experts, you are no experts LaLaLaLa

That is the way the behaviour seems to be in my eyes...like a stubborn little child unwilling to accept that it made something wrong...

But I don´t give up hope. They denied the from Ashes DLC at first, maybe they are hiding and denying the new ending DLC, too.

[chidingewe8036]

Why is this thread still here some of you ask?????

I don't know about others but in my life hope is a powerful thing............especially when that is all you have.

I don't have the means or resources to create such a conclusion to this epic series it is in the hands of it's creators I just "hope" they do the right thing next to their fanbase and main protagonist Shepard. Call me a whiner if you walk "sticks and stones" but as much as I am dissapointed with Bioware I am thankful to them all the same, they gave us Mass Effect 1 and 2 and they were the best games and stories I have ever witnessed so yeah I am going to whine, plead, beg, and post because I have hope and I know what they are capable of.

They can do it, it can be done, epicness does not elude them by any means KOTOR, ME1, ME2, and The Old Republic (yes The Old Republic lol) are testament to that along with many other games.

I think Bioware's diverse characters in their games are their best features, heck they have more life in them than some real life movies stars lol. But anyway I am rambling I hope you guys get the point.

[3DandBeyond]

dreamgazer wrote...

What'll happen when they create a new-to-purchase ending that some might see as pandering to their disgruntled fans? Will they be seen as money-eyed and exploitative?

Well for those that would say they are pandering to disgruntled fans-for shame.  These same people constanlty say it's Bioware's story to tell as they please, so how dare they then have any complaint over anything BW decides to do.  BW could actually create destructive DLC that changes everyone's game and makes bloody clowns drop out of Shepard's butt and call it art and say they controlled the reapers from inside Shepard, and those people could not legitimately complain about a thing.  It's BW's game and story to tell as they please-that's what they have said so they must live with that.  However, the suggestion has always been to create something that is not destructive and only changes the games of those who decide to purchase it-those people still could have no complaint with that, especially if BW determines it it best for the franchise.

As for those who think it the latter, well that is a sticking point to be sure and I'd in part agree with it.  They still could do a decent job of handling it all, and yet, those that would think that are lost to them anyway.  They are not going to buy any DLC or any further content from BW, no matter how good it is.  So BW can't do that much that would please them.  But those that would buy it would have to come to some understanding inside themselves that this is content that just wouldn't be that possible if given for free.  Sure, it would be something that they'd see as what should have existed all along, but there are battles to be fought and you win what you can-you can't forever fight something that's just not going to happen ever.  Even here, once the final DLC has been released it really will be over-criticism won't perhaps end, but requests for a good ending will dry up, will have to dry up.

The alternative is to create ending DLC that includes some sort of value for those that buy it.  Say even the promise of some sort of discount for ME4.  This would then solve two issues for both player and BW.  It would encourage even pro-enders to buy it and it would include a real value (if done well) for anti-enders.  It could in fact bring people back into the franchise and make them take a look at ME4 (or whatever it's called) when it's released.  Sure, that's years away, but it could help.  Create a great piece of DLC, offer a discount for the next game with it, and it might be a real winner.

[DeinonSlayer]

crimzontearz wrote...

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial

something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

There's actually several of those. Just using the Tali romance as an example, there's one dialogue choice at the FOB where Shepard invokes things they told each other earlier. Shepard can take one (potentially last) chance to say he loves her, or reassure her they're going to live.

Perhaps the most direct example is when you first get beamed up and Anderson radios you. Shepard can either say (s)he feels like (s)he's dying, or that they "just have to keep moving."

Paragon Shepard comes across as much more fatalistic than Renegade choices. The paragon interrupt with Garrus makes Shepard say goodbye. Ignoring it makes Shepard agree to meet up with him.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:01 .

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

What'll happen when they create a new-to-purchase ending that some might see as pandering to their disgruntled fans? Will they be seen as money-eyed and exploitative?

I dunno, was Bethesda seen as exploitive for releasing Broken Steel?

Edit:  which did not so much add new endings as outright retcon the old one and continue the story, allowing the Lone Wnaderer to not only survive, but sor the player to actually see the beginning of the changes wrought depending on what was done with Project Purity.

Modifié par iakus, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:13 .

[AchesOfDoom]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

[DanHarbinger]

OP... You fight against inevitability, dust struggling against cosmic winds.

[Galbrant]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What'll happen when they create a new-to-purchase ending that some might see as pandering to their disgruntled fans? Will they be seen as money-eyed and exploitative?

I dunno, was Bethesda seen as exploitive for releasing Broken Steel?

Well all they did was fix one major plot hole with the DLC without adding new ones and added a rather good amount of content after the main game. 3 new main quests 2 side missions, raises the level cap to 30 along with new perks, new enemies along with new weapons and the oh so awesome Hellfire Enclave Armor and the ability to continue the game after the main quest. So no I don't think its exploitive.  Though my only problem with broken steel are the New Enemies the Albino Scopions are the freaking bane of  settlements existence normal NPCs stand no chace against them. I literally seen Big Town and Canturbury Commons wiped out because of these OP freaks. And the Super Mutant Overlords makes rescuing Rileys Rangers a god damn chore. And to top it all off they take freaking forever to kill too bullet spongy. Though other than those @#$holes I thought the DLC was fine.

[Dr_Extrem]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial

something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

There's actually several of those. Just using the Tali romance as an example, there's one dialogue choice at the FOB where Shepard invokes things they told each other earlier. Shepard can take one (potentially last) chance to say he loves her, or reassure her they're going to live.

Perhaps the most direct example is when you first get beamed up and Anderson radios you. Shepard can either say (s)he feels like (s)he's dying, or that they "just have to keep moving."

Paragon Shepard comes across as much more fatalistic than Renegade choices. The paragon interrupt with Garrus makes Shepard say goodbye. Ignoring it makes Shepard agree to meet up with him.

imo, the lines between paragon and renegade answers are not clear anymore. paragons come along as "whiney emos", who think all is lost. its a direction i dont like. its like paragons are not allowed to live and are expected to sacrifice themselves. nobody wants to die.

especially the garrus interrupt bugs me. if this cheesy line was meant to cheer up garrus (something that should be done before a battle), it did not really work. its like "we will not come back - see you at the eternal bar." - a short " we did not come this far, just to die and let those bastards win." would have been far better suited. even if shepard does not believe it - it is his/her duty as the CO to motivate the crew.


if such a choice (maybe neutral dialogue) would trigger a clear survival ending, it would be very subtile and well implemented.

[Dragoonlordz]

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already.

Ironically calling Bioware or Chris a liar or claiming what they tell you is wrong is reason enough to not give you any new ending DLC because if they changed their minds and went back on what they said now then that would give you more ammunition to call them liars in future so only way to start taking away the ammunition or changing that is to not change the ending as they said would not do.

I will find it very amusing however when ME4 comes out and some of the same people here will still be saying Bioware might still do new ending for ME3 because that appears to be the level of self-denial I think some people here have. I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What'll happen when they create a new-to-purchase ending that some might see as pandering to their disgruntled fans? Will they be seen as money-eyed and exploitative?

I dunno, was Bethesda seen as exploitive for releasing Broken Steel?

Edit:  which did not so much add new endings as outright retcon the old one and continue the story, allowing the Lone Wnaderer to not only survive, but sor the player to actually see the beginning of the changes wrought depending on what was done with Project Purity.

Right.  Broken Steel served several purposes, aside from resurrecting the protagonist. I advocate that kind of content.

Specific paid-ending DLC, assuming "the end is the end", would be a different story.

[TheTrueObelus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

You may think you're done with the ending but you're not. It will haunt the company for as long as it produces Mass Effect games.

[Dragoonlordz]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

You may think you're done with the ending but you're not. It will haunt the company for as long as it produces Mass Effect games.

You will have hard time doing such when ME4 comes out and you will be required to register your copy to talk in the ME4 section, the ME3 section will fade and end up as quiet and empty as DAO or ME1 sections are now. So huff and puff to your hearts content but pretty sure you will need to buy ME4 to continue being relevant or haunt them as it were atleast as far as this social network is concerned.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .

[Reth Shepherd]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Omega's sales say hi. So do all of Levi's sales but the initial release. Odd that From Ashes sold far better than LotSB or Arrival, while the only thing Omega is outselling is a MP release and the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack. Nor is Levi doing all that much climbing. (Hey, if you want to prove me wrong, would you get ME3 DLC sales out of EA/Bioware, please? I've been asking around, can't get anyone to answer.)

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:37 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Omega's sales say hi. So do all of Levi's sales but the initial release. Odd that From Ashes sold far better than LotSB or Arrival, while the only thing Omega is outselling is a MP release and the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack. Nor is Levi doing all that much climbing. (Hey, if you want to prove me wrong, would you get ME3 DLC sales out of EA/Bioware, please? I've been asking around, can't get anyone to answer.)

Can you read? I said ME4.

ME4 will have it's own large marketing campaign, as guess three years will have passed since ME3's release, have completely new content from story, plot to characters (40-60+ hours long maybe 100 but thats pushing it) and probably released on next gen systems. Not buying DLC for a game you do not enjoy is a truly vast difference compared to buying an entire new game with it's own new plot, story and characters which can be judged on it's own quality at that time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:44 .

[MegaSovereign]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial

something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

There's actually several of those. Just using the Tali romance as an example, there's one dialogue choice at the FOB where Shepard invokes things they told each other earlier. Shepard can take one (potentially last) chance to say he loves her, or reassure her they're going to live.

Perhaps the most direct example is when you first get beamed up and Anderson radios you. Shepard can either say (s)he feels like (s)he's dying, or that they "just have to keep moving."

Paragon Shepard comes across as much more fatalistic than Renegade choices. The paragon interrupt with Garrus makes Shepard say goodbye. Ignoring it makes Shepard agree to meet up with him.

imo, the lines between paragon and renegade answers are not clear anymore. paragons come along as "whiney emos", who think all is lost. its a direction i dont like. its like paragons are not allowed to live and are expected to sacrifice themselves. nobody wants to die.

especially the garrus interrupt bugs me. if this cheesy line was meant to cheer up garrus (something that should be done before a battle), it did not really work. its like "we will not come back - see you at the eternal bar." - a short " we did not come this far, just to die and let those bastards win." would have been far better suited. even if shepard does not believe it - it is his/her duty as the CO to motivate the crew.


if such a choice (maybe neutral dialogue) would trigger a clear survival ending, it would be very subtile and well implemented.

Wait, you didn't like the Garrus interrupt? I take it for every playthrough I do. It basically completes the bromance.

[daftPirate]

Postman778 wrote...

In Destroy Ending, the cruicible makes no difference between reapers, geth or other synthetics. In the Control Ending it is able to devide between reapers and geth and other synthetics. There must be consequences, but the consequences must be somehow logical...

I think that was the point. The Catalyst can't get away with the cycle anymore, and so it offers win-lose options. Destroy: If I can't get you to take my place, then I'm at least gonna wipe out synthetic life. Control: I win, you don't trust yourself or your synthetic life enough to abandon the cycle. Reapershep might show up with his buddies a few times to put down synthetic uprisings, but what will that do? Organics will go, "Sweet, powerful synthetic protectors! Now we can continue pushing the envelope creating synthetic life." How long til Shepard restarts the cycle?

[Dr_Extrem]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

You may think you're done with the ending but you're not. It will haunt the company for as long as it produces Mass Effect games.

You will have hard time doing such when ME4 comes out and you will be required to register your copy to talk in the ME4 section, the ME3 section will fade and end up as quiet and empty as DAO or ME1 sections are now. So huff and puff to your hearts content but pretty sure you will need to buy ME4 to continue being relevant or haunt them as it were atleast as far as this social network is concerned.

i would count this as "silencing the opposition". btw .. the story discussion of me3 was closed, for non me3 owners, because of the backlash.

every user can post on the general discussion-board.


silencing people would show, that they are not able to handle feedback (constructive feedback off course). if you cant handle criticism, you should not write stories. its like chefs, who cant stand the heat in the kitchen or chemists who who dont like the smell of chemicals.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:50 .