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[chidingewe8036]

DanHarbinger wrote...

OP... You fight against inevitability, dust struggling against cosmic winds.

hehe  Epic Line

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial

something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

There's actually several of those. Just using the Tali romance as an example, there's one dialogue choice at the FOB where Shepard invokes things they told each other earlier. Shepard can take one (potentially last) chance to say he loves her, or reassure her they're going to live.

Perhaps the most direct example is when you first get beamed up and Anderson radios you. Shepard can either say (s)he feels like (s)he's dying, or that they "just have to keep moving."

Paragon Shepard comes across as much more fatalistic than Renegade choices. The paragon interrupt with Garrus makes Shepard say goodbye. Ignoring it makes Shepard agree to meet up with him.

imo, the lines between paragon and renegade answers are not clear anymore. paragons come along as "whiney emos", who think all is lost. its a direction i dont like. its like paragons are not allowed to live and are expected to sacrifice themselves. nobody wants to die.

especially the garrus interrupt bugs me. if this cheesy line was meant to cheer up garrus (something that should be done before a battle), it did not really work. its like "we will not come back - see you at the eternal bar." - a short " we did not come this far, just to die and let those bastards win." would have been far better suited. even if shepard does not believe it - it is his/her duty as the CO to motivate the crew.


if such a choice (maybe neutral dialogue) would trigger a clear survival ending, it would be very subtile and well implemented.

Wait, you didn't like the Garrus interrupt? I take it for every playthrough I do. It basically completes the bromance.

nope .. and i shoot the last bottle as well ... letting him win, insults both shepard and garrus. this contest is over, if one of them really misses. telling garrus to meet him at the bar is ... well its like saying: "we dont come back, lets hope the beer is cold."

i dont drink the brandy with chakwas as well - its not yet the time.

[MegaSovereign]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Omega's sales say hi. So do all of Levi's sales but the initial release. Odd that From Ashes sold far better than LotSB or Arrival, while the only thing Omega is outselling is a MP release and the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack. Nor is Levi doing all that much climbing. (Hey, if you want to prove me wrong, would you get ME3 DLC sales out of EA/Bioware, please? I've been asking around, can't get anyone to answer.)

Best Selling of All time list. How is it fair that you're comparing the latest DLC to the others?

Look at the best selling section for today or for this week and you'll see that Omega and Leviathan are pretty high up there in the RPG section.

In the past if their initial DLC sales did bad then they would cancel other planned DLC. So the fact that their still planning to release more DLC content for ME3 even though it has quite a bit already is pretty indicative that it's not all doom and gloom like BSN says it is.

[MinatheBrat]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What'll happen when they create a new-to-purchase ending that some might see as pandering to their disgruntled fans? Will they be seen as money-eyed and exploitative?

I dunno, was Bethesda seen as exploitive for releasing Broken Steel?

Edit:  which did not so much add new endings as outright retcon the old one and continue the story, allowing the Lone Wnaderer to not only survive, but sor the player to actually see the beginning of the changes wrought depending on what was done with Project Purity.

Right.  Broken Steel served several purposes, aside from resurrecting the protagonist. I advocate that kind of content.

Specific paid-ending DLC, assuming "the end is the end", would be a different story.

Hey that would be OK with me too. Resurrect the protagonist! I would be happy if we get to find Shep in the rubble and go from there. Not sure where'd we go, but I'm sure somebody could think of something. Finish off Cerberus or something.

[MegaSovereign]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial

something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

There's actually several of those. Just using the Tali romance as an example, there's one dialogue choice at the FOB where Shepard invokes things they told each other earlier. Shepard can take one (potentially last) chance to say he loves her, or reassure her they're going to live.

Perhaps the most direct example is when you first get beamed up and Anderson radios you. Shepard can either say (s)he feels like (s)he's dying, or that they "just have to keep moving."

Paragon Shepard comes across as much more fatalistic than Renegade choices. The paragon interrupt with Garrus makes Shepard say goodbye. Ignoring it makes Shepard agree to meet up with him.

imo, the lines between paragon and renegade answers are not clear anymore. paragons come along as "whiney emos", who think all is lost. its a direction i dont like. its like paragons are not allowed to live and are expected to sacrifice themselves. nobody wants to die.

especially the garrus interrupt bugs me. if this cheesy line was meant to cheer up garrus (something that should be done before a battle), it did not really work. its like "we will not come back - see you at the eternal bar." - a short " we did not come this far, just to die and let those bastards win." would have been far better suited. even if shepard does not believe it - it is his/her duty as the CO to motivate the crew.


if such a choice (maybe neutral dialogue) would trigger a clear survival ending, it would be very subtile and well implemented.

Wait, you didn't like the Garrus interrupt? I take it for every playthrough I do. It basically completes the bromance.

nope .. and i shoot the last bottle as well ... letting him win, insults both shepard and garrus. this contest is over, if one of them really misses. telling garrus to meet him at the bar is ... well its like saying: "we dont come back, lets hope the beer is cold."

i dont drink the brandy with chakwas as well - its not yet the time.

We're just polar opposites then. Drunk Chakwas is awesome btw.

[Dragoonlordz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

You may think you're done with the ending but you're not. It will haunt the company for as long as it produces Mass Effect games.

You will have hard time doing such when ME4 comes out and you will be required to register your copy to talk in the ME4 section, the ME3 section will fade and end up as quiet and empty as DAO or ME1 sections are now. So huff and puff to your hearts content but pretty sure you will need to buy ME4 to continue being relevant or haunt them as it were atleast as far as this social network is concerned.

i would count this as "silencing the opposition". btw .. the story discussion of me3 was closed, for non me3 owners, because of the backlash.

every user can post on the general discussion-board.

silencing people would show, that they are not able to handle feedback (constructive feedback off course). if you cant handle criticism, you should not write stories. its like chefs, who cant stand the heat in the kitchen.

Not at all. It gives you a reason to buy it and register not watch on youtube instead of coming on here to complain about something you have never bought or bothered to register. The amount of people who had problems registering their copies is tiny in quantity on here regarding previous titles and thats ofcourse assuming would even be problem registering copies of ME4 which is not even out yet. They should make all sections of ME4 when released a requirement to register a copy.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2013 - 07:55 .

[chidingewe8036]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already.

Ironically calling Bioware or Chris a liar or claiming what they tell you is wrong is reason enough to not give you any new ending DLC because if they changed their minds and went back on what they said now then that would give you more ammunition to call them liars in future so only way to start taking away the ammunition or changing that is to not change the ending as they said would not do.

I will find it very amusing however when ME4 comes out and some of the same people here will still be saying Bioware might still do new ending for ME3 because that appears to be the level of self-denial I think some people here have. I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Anderson - "listen to yourself your...........indoctrinated"

[Iakus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already. 

Yep, squelch all dissent.  We don't want to hear what you have to say unless it's praise!

If you dislike the endings, you're toxic to the BSN!

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial

something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

There's actually several of those. Just using the Tali romance as an example, there's one dialogue choice at the FOB where Shepard invokes things they told each other earlier. Shepard can take one (potentially last) chance to say he loves her, or reassure her they're going to live.

Perhaps the most direct example is when you first get beamed up and Anderson radios you. Shepard can either say (s)he feels like (s)he's dying, or that they "just have to keep moving."

Paragon Shepard comes across as much more fatalistic than Renegade choices. The paragon interrupt with Garrus makes Shepard say goodbye. Ignoring it makes Shepard agree to meet up with him.

imo, the lines between paragon and renegade answers are not clear anymore. paragons come along as "whiney emos", who think all is lost. its a direction i dont like. its like paragons are not allowed to live and are expected to sacrifice themselves. nobody wants to die.

especially the garrus interrupt bugs me. if this cheesy line was meant to cheer up garrus (something that should be done before a battle), it did not really work. its like "we will not come back - see you at the eternal bar." - a short " we did not come this far, just to die and let those bastards win." would have been far better suited. even if shepard does not believe it - it is his/her duty as the CO to motivate the crew.


if such a choice (maybe neutral dialogue) would trigger a clear survival ending, it would be very subtile and well implemented.

Wait, you didn't like the Garrus interrupt? I take it for every playthrough I do. It basically completes the bromance.

nope .. and i shoot the last bottle as well ... letting him win, insults both shepard and garrus. this contest is over, if one of them really misses. telling garrus to meet him at the bar is ... well its like saying: "we dont come back, lets hope the beer is cold."

i dont drink the brandy with chakwas as well - its not yet the time.

We're just polar opposites then. Drunk Chakwas is awesome btw.

she was in me2 as well ..

doing all this stuff (missing the shot, drinking with karin) is like giving up to me. its like .. "we will not survive this, so lets get over with it." ... to me, this would signal the crew, that the "stuff" already hit the fan and that the situation is hopeless and beyond everything.

even if the situation is hopeless - hope is the only thing, that keeps them together and sheparad, as the co, has the damn duty to keep up the morale.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

If you dislike the endings, you're toxic to the BSN!

Depends on the potency and the purpose of your poison.

[Dragoonlordz]

iakus wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already. 

Yep, squelch all dissent.  We don't want to hear what you have to say unless it's praise!

If you dislike the endings, you're toxic to the BSN!

Not what I implied or said. You do not have to praise their game and do not have to like their games but topics which have been given a definitive answer by the developers (regardless of disbelief or denial by posters unwilling to accept that answer), then the thread no longer serves a purpose other than assuming or calling Bioware liars and misleading or that to you or others Bioware or EA are in the wrong for making a choice and already told you many times sticking with it. Neither of those two things are productive.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:06 .

[Brug0r]

IC-07 wrote...

Cheer up www.youtube.com/watch

Bah, just a cinematic.

[vware]

It's about the ride maaaaaan.

(Stoner voice not included)

[Redbelle]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

Ok, fine. Just promise one thing.

Promise that the DLC will at least be a DLC whose after affects are incorporated into the ending in a meaningful, narrative way. Not via that EMS, 'got a boat load of Cains? We'll have those and you can have this number to increase your 'score'.

[Reth Shepherd]

@Dragoonlordz: It wasn't that long ago that people were saying that the 'whiners' boycotting would make little difference in how well the DLC sold. Since ME4 has not yet been released, I'm merely using the closest possible evidence.

@MegaSovereign, you might notice that From Ashes is #2 on that list. Lack of multiple years to build up its sales numbers didn't make much of a difference in that case. Further, Omega has not moved farther up the list like one would expect (as shown by similar numbers posted by ABCoLD a month previous). So far the only DLC it is out'selling' is the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack and the (I believe) latest MP pack. There is no such thing as a perfect comparison, and given that no one is willing to hand out straight sales numbers, I'm doing the best I can with what information is publicly available.

"Why do we fall?"
"So that we might learn to pick ourselves up."
I believe Bioware can fly again. But they have to be the ones to take the leap.

[Dr_Extrem]

vware wrote...

It's about the ride maaaaaan.

(Stoner voice not included)

that ends in a roadside ditch. (at least for a lot of people)

[Morty Smith]

IC-07 wrote...

Cheer up www.youtube.com/watch

Sir, you actually made me cheer up and check it out. Thanks!

[MegaSovereign]

Reth Shepherd wrote...
@MegaSovereign, you might notice that From Ashes is #2 on that list. Lack of multiple years to build up its sales numbers didn't make much of a difference in that case. Further, Omega has not moved farther up the list like one would expect (as shown by similar numbers posted by ABCoLD a month previous). So far the only DLC it is out'selling' is the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack and the (I believe) latest MP pack. There is no such thing as a perfect comparison, and given that no one is willing to hand out straight sales numbers, I'm doing the best I can with what information is publicly available.

From Ashes was day one character DLC about the Protheans....IIRC it had a 40% attachment rate.

I understand no comparison is perfect but you're trying to show that there is a correlation between DLC sales and the reception of ME3's endings. If the data you're using is fundamentally flawed then you shouldn't be using it in a
debate.

The only statistics relevant to that argument would be sales rate. Not all time sales. I don't think you can accurately compare that, but ME3's DLC sales rate is still holding up. Enough to meet Bioware's expectations, anyway.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:21 .

[TheTrueObelus]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already.

Ironically calling Bioware or Chris a liar or claiming what they tell you is wrong is reason enough to not give you any new ending DLC because if they changed their minds and went back on what they said now then that would give you more ammunition to call them liars in future so only way to start taking away the ammunition or changing that is to not change the ending as they said would not do.

I will find it very amusing however when ME4 comes out and some of the same people here will still be saying Bioware might still do new ending for ME3 because that appears to be the level of self-denial I think some people here have. I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Anderson - "listen to yourself your...........indoctrinated"

Won't make a difference. In a couple of years people wont even try to defend the ending any more. It will be almost universally accepted that the ME3 ending was a complete disaster. It will become the accepted truth. EA/Bioware devs won't be able to do an interview for a game site of magazine or talk to a fan at a conference without the ME3 endings coming up over and over. For every new ME game people will ask "No starchild this time right?"..."Our choices actually matter?"

It will hang around their neck forever.

Modifié par TheTrueObelus, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:26 .

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

So many people asking for the same thing over many months.

You don't suppose ME3 might be missing something, do you?

Yeah, an intelligent fan base. 

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

So many people asking for the same thing over many months.

You don't suppose ME3 might be missing something, do you?

Yeah, an intelligent fan base. 

That's a two way street, you know. 

[chidingewe8036]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already.

Ironically calling Bioware or Chris a liar or claiming what they tell you is wrong is reason enough to not give you any new ending DLC because if they changed their minds and went back on what they said now then that would give you more ammunition to call them liars in future so only way to start taking away the ammunition or changing that is to not change the ending as they said would not do.

I will find it very amusing however when ME4 comes out and some of the same people here will still be saying Bioware might still do new ending for ME3 because that appears to be the level of self-denial I think some people here have. I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Anderson - "listen to yourself your...........indoctrinated"

Won't make a difference. In a couple of years people wont even try to defend the ending any more. It will be almost universally accepted that the ME3 was a complete disaster. It will become the accepted truth. EA/Bioware devs won't be able to do an interview for a game site of magazine or talk to a fan at a conference without the ME3 endings coming up over and over. For every new ME game people will ask "No starchild this time right?"..."Our choices actually matter?"

It will hang around their neck forever.

Agreed

[Thaa_solon]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

Instead of a "ending" DLC how about a "fix" DLC 

And don't talk about the EC, it didn't fix anything.

[dreamgazer]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

So many people asking for the same thing over many months.

You don't suppose ME3 might be missing something, do you?

Yeah, an intelligent fan base. 

You do realize that this statement can be turned around to reflect the low intelligence of those who found no issues in the ending, right?

[Dragoonlordz]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think this thread deserves to be locked at this stage, when Chris says yet again no more ending DLC in a thread asking for ending DLC it makes the discussion over. All you have past such statements is people calling him or Bioware a liar (Chris is also not the only one who have told you this as I believe Jessica, and even Mike Gamble have said the same plus others), that Bioware or EA wrong (in their opinion) or just more self-denial by people here about what they have been told a million times already.

Ironically calling Bioware or Chris a liar or claiming what they tell you is wrong is reason enough to not give you any new ending DLC because if they changed their minds and went back on what they said now then that would give you more ammunition to call them liars in future so only way to start taking away the ammunition or changing that is to not change the ending as they said would not do.

I will find it very amusing however when ME4 comes out and some of the same people here will still be saying Bioware might still do new ending for ME3 because that appears to be the level of self-denial I think some people here have. I also believe (based on past experience of this fanbase and their rhetoric, huff and puff and grandstanding on this site everytime something happens they don't like), a lot of the people who saying won't buy ME4 unless Bioware cave in to their demands in reality will buy it.

Anderson - "listen to yourself your...........indoctrinated"

Won't make a difference. In a couple of years people wont even try to defend the ending any more. It will be almost universally accepted that the ME3 was a complete disaster. It will become the accepted truth. EA/Bioware devs won't be able to do an interview for a game site of magazine or talk to a fan at a conference without the ME3 endings coming up over and over. For every new ME game people will ask "No starchild this time right?"..."Our choices actually matter?"

It will hang around their neck forever.

That's hyperbole. The only people who might whine about the ending to ME3 in few years will be (some) ex-fans, no interviews or gamesites will do so. ME3 endings will remain labelled as controversial and no it won't be universally accepted that was bad just like it is not so now. ME4 will come out and will have probably large amount of people who love it, some who like it, others who dislike it and some that hate it. Bioware will continue the franchise past ME4 and will continue to exist alongside EA. This is realistic, yours is not and is simply hyperbole.