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[Ghaleon]

It's already happening with Dragon Age 3. i see alot of posts about how much of a disappointment ME3 was then people asking DA3 devs if they can expect the same.

The arrogance of some of the developers on the ME3 team is astounding, people didn't like ending a lot of people solution is fix it simple as that, EC did not do this.

Good thing there are some companies willing to admit they fouled up and fix mistakes like Bethesda with Fallout 3 ending, Bioware could learn a lot from them.

Or perhaps if Bioware would look back at their own history to see the company they once were before they sold out, could give them the insight they need to see how they messed up.

[Forsythia]

I find it quite funny (or sad) that after all this time, people are still butthurt about the ending (including myself). Quite an accomplishment from BioWare, really.

Which of course is nothing to be proud of.

[evilgummybear]

Sorry guys you cant fix an ending when its already been released.
Its like watching a movie then when a fan complains you request them to change the story to suit your needs.

Even tho i too am dissapointed with the ending, its still was a great game to me. ME1 & 2 was brilliant ME3 failed mainly because its suppose to end with a conclusion to the shepard story but to me it left alot of things open and was unconclusive.

Chris, i wouldnt ask you to change the ending, but i reakon a better solution is to make a ME3 expansion before your proceed to ME4.

[Benchpress610]

Forsythia wrote...

I find it quite funny (or sad) that after all this time, people are still butthurt about the ending (including myself). Quite an accomplishment from BioWare, really.

Which of course is nothing to be proud of.

Quite right. The amount of butthurt is proportional to the amount of love and goodwill for BW and the MEU before ME3. If it were any other developer and another game, the sh*tstorm would’ve die down long time ago. We expected better from BioWare which is why we’re still here… It’s like they killed the goose with the golden egg.

[TheVaultDweller]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

boo hiss!

[futurepixels]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

It appears the OP asked "what is the big deal" with creating an additional ending for Mass Effect 3. not whether or not one was going to be made.

You did not answer the question.

[clarkusdarkus]

WolfyZA wrote...

People are still going on about this??? Guys its almost ayear later... Let it go, dont get me wrong I want a DECENT ending just as much as the next HARDCORE fan but , if we havent gotten it by now.. Then we're never going to get it!

I agree that they wont do an ending dlc as they have said it enough times, But as far as letting it go is concerned then i feel ME3 will always be remembered for it's " ending "...and not in a good way, Even before ME4 is released people will bring up the endings and why should they invest in a new protagonist when they leave the old one lying in rubble. Food for thought as it will never go away... 

[VLX11387]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

WolfyZA wrote...

People are still going on about this??? Guys its almost ayear later... Let it go, dont get me wrong I want a DECENT ending just as much as the next HARDCORE fan but , if we havent gotten it by now.. Then we're never going to get it!

I agree that they wont do an ending dlc as they have said it enough times, But as far as letting it go is concerned then i feel ME3 will always be remembered for it's " ending "...and not in a good way, Even before ME4 is released people will bring up the endings and why should they invest in a new protagonist when they leave the old one lying in rubble. Food for thought as it will never go away... 

Nevermind investing in a new protagonist, invest in a completely different game from another publisher. It goes without saying that this is going to haunt Bioware for the rest of their days until they regain the level of trust they had with their fans at DA:O and ME1. More likely than not, it won't hurt their sales for ME4 but if Bioware continues to not meet EA's demands and profits then heads just might start rolling in the studios. 

[Lunch Box1912]

TheVaultDweller wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

boo hiss!

I thought we already went over this?


This comes from the mouth of someone who was part of the team when these where written as well…

Mass Effect, description of games from Bioware:
Sci-fi role playing game...ME1, an Interactive Storytelling Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome…ME3

Why should we believe what he says now?

[KevTheGamer]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

Its a war there is so such thing as a happy ending when it comes to war. There will be casualties. To me all 4 endings are happy endings. Sure Shepard dies but He/She dies because of their own choices in all of them. I am personally happy with the endings though but the happiest scenario appears to be synthesis which imo is sort of cannon but really screws up the universe for a 4th game too. Maybe destroy should be cannon it is one of my favorite endings at least. 

[Iakus]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

Its a war there is so such thing as a happy ending when it comes to war. There will be casualties. To me all 4 endings are happy endings. Sure Shepard dies but He/She dies because of their own choices in all of them. I am personally happy with the endings though but the happiest scenario appears to be synthesis which imo is sort of cannon but really screws up the universe for a 4th game too. Maybe destroy should be cannon it is one of my favorite endings at least. 

It's not a war.  It's a game.  A role-playing game.  And Shepard came to that fate by no choice I ever made.  It was Bioware railroading a tragic end on fans who expected their choices to actually mean something.  You may be happy, but Bioware has a thing or two still to learn about "broadening thir appeal"

[Killdren88]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

Chris, Face it. This is not going away. until it becomes a forum rule not allowed to talk about it.

[XavierHollywood]

iakus wrote...

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

Its a war there is so such thing as a happy ending when it comes to war. There will be casualties. To me all 4 endings are happy endings. Sure Shepard dies but He/She dies because of their own choices in all of them. I am personally happy with the endings though but the happiest scenario appears to be synthesis which imo is sort of cannon but really screws up the universe for a 4th game too. Maybe destroy should be cannon it is one of my favorite endings at least. 

It's not a war.  It's a game.  A role-playing game.  And Shepard came to that fate by no choice I ever made.  It was Bioware railroading a tragic end on fans who expected their choices to actually mean something.  You may be happy, but Bioware has a thing or two still to learn about "broadening thir appeal"

boo hoo

die hard ME fan (8+ ME1 playthroughs, 10+ ME2 playthroughs, about 6 ME3 playthroughs currently) myself but im almost ashamed to admit it in public these days because of how embarrassing you lot are.

I love all three ME games and have come to terms with ME3s ending long ago.  All 3 games had plenty of flaws but the good faaar outweighed the bad imho.  I too have to agree with kevwest,  I found all 3 (and even refuse to some degree) to be happy endings that tied up things well enough.

everyone i know in person that has played ME3 was satisfied with it.  The online community and the BSN is another story though.

Modifié par XavierHollywood, 17 janvier 2013 - 06:54 .

[Iakus]

XavierHollywood wrote...

boo hoo

die hard ME fan (8+ ME1 playthroughs, 10+ ME2 playthroughs, about 6 ME3 playthroughs currently) myself but im almost ashamed to admit it in public these days because of how embarrassing you lot are.

I love all three ME games and have come to terms with ME3s ending long ago.  All 3 games had plenty of flaws but the good faaar outweighed the bad imho.  I too have to agree with chiding,  I found all 3 (and even refuse to some degree) to be happy endings that tied up things well enough.

everyone i know in person that has played ME3 was satisfied with it.  The online community and the BSN is another story though.

Oh, I'm ashamed to admit to being an ME fan in public too.  but I suspect for entirely differnt reasons as you.

As to the rest.  Well, there is definitely no arguing with logic like that 

[in it for the lolz]

XavierHollywood wrote...

iakus wrote...

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

Its a war there is so such thing as a happy ending when it comes to war. There will be casualties. To me all 4 endings are happy endings. Sure Shepard dies but He/She dies because of their own choices in all of them. I am personally happy with the endings though but the happiest scenario appears to be synthesis which imo is sort of cannon but really screws up the universe for a 4th game too. Maybe destroy should be cannon it is one of my favorite endings at least. 

It's not a war.  It's a game.  A role-playing game.  And Shepard came to that fate by no choice I ever made.  It was Bioware railroading a tragic end on fans who expected their choices to actually mean something.  You may be happy, but Bioware has a thing or two still to learn about "broadening thir appeal"

boo hoo

die hard ME fan (8+ ME1 playthroughs, 10+ ME2 playthroughs, about 6 ME3 playthroughs currently) myself but im almost ashamed to admit it in public these days because of how embarrassing you lot are.

I love all three ME games and have come to terms with ME3s ending long ago.  All 3 games had plenty of flaws but the good faaar outweighed the bad imho.  I too have to agree with kevwest,  I found all 3 (and even refuse to some degree) to be happy endings that tied up things well enough.

everyone i know in person that has played ME3 was satisfied with it.  The online community and the BSN is another story though.

Former die hard ME fan.
ME 1: 56 playthroughs ( in the space of 4 years)
ME 2: 32 playthroughs (in the space of 2 years)
ME 3: 6 playthroughs (+ 2 that are half done, but will not do any more) 
So what do I win?

Modifié par in it for the lolz, 17 janvier 2013 - 07:05 .

[XavierHollywood]

iakus wrote...

XavierHollywood wrote...

boo hoo

die hard ME fan (8+ ME1 playthroughs, 10+ ME2 playthroughs, about 6 ME3 playthroughs currently) myself but im almost ashamed to admit it in public these days because of how embarrassing you lot are.

I love all three ME games and have come to terms with ME3s ending long ago.  All 3 games had plenty of flaws but the good faaar outweighed the bad imho.  I too have to agree with chiding,  I found all 3 (and even refuse to some degree) to be happy endings that tied up things well enough.

everyone i know in person that has played ME3 was satisfied with it.  The online community and the BSN is another story though.

Oh, I'm ashamed to admit to being an ME fan in public too.  but I suspect for entirely differnt reasons as you.

As to the rest.  Well, there is definitely no arguing with logic like that 

lets not be naive though, the reaper war was a galactic war of extinction.  How anyone could expect a rosey ending is beyond me.  It was constantly stated through the game any chance of winning was going to be extremely costly.

Early in the game I was convinced that Shep himself was the catalyst and was going to have to commit the ultimate sacrifice.  I was only half right.  Not even really, since we know Shep lives in one ending.  Why must we be spoonfed and handheld through every detail afterwards?  It dosent take a phd to figure out what was HEAVILY implied.

Modifié par XavierHollywood, 17 janvier 2013 - 07:07 .

[Iakus]

XavierHollywood wrote...

lets not be naive though, the reaper war was a galactic war of extinction.  How anyone could expect a rosey ending is beyond me.  It was constantly stated through the game any chance of winning was going to be extremely costly.

Early in the game I was convinced that Shep himself was the catalyst and was going to have to commit the ultimate sacrifice.  I was only half right.  Not even really, since we know Shep lives in one ending.  Why must we be spoonfed and handheld through every detail afterwards?  It dosent take a phd to figure out what was HEAVILY implied.

::sigh::

You know, I really get tired sometimes of being accused of wanting a rosy ending, a Disney aending, a rainbows and buterflies ending, just because I found the endings that were forced on everyone too dark and tragic.  

You suspected Shepard would have to pull an Ultimate Sacrifice by the end of the game?  Bravo, so did I.  For some endings at least.  What I didn't expect was for it to be in every ending, with a single Easter egg in one ending hinting that Shepard might have survived.

So no, it wasn't "heavily implied"  One breath is an Easter egg.  It's permission to headcanon something other than what was heavilly implied to have happened after walk into an explosion.

I f we have to watch Shepard electrcuted or disintigrated in some endings, we darn well should be able to see Shepard get rescued in others..  

[XavierHollywood]

iakus wrote...

XavierHollywood wrote...

lets not be naive though, the reaper war was a galactic war of extinction.  How anyone could expect a rosey ending is beyond me.  It was constantly stated through the game any chance of winning was going to be extremely costly.

Early in the game I was convinced that Shep himself was the catalyst and was going to have to commit the ultimate sacrifice.  I was only half right.  Not even really, since we know Shep lives in one ending.  Why must we be spoonfed and handheld through every detail afterwards?  It dosent take a phd to figure out what was HEAVILY implied.

::sigh::

You know, I really get tired sometimes of being accused of wanting a rosy ending, a Disney aending, a rainbows and buterflies ending, just because I found the endings that were forced on everyone too dark and tragic.  

You suspected Shepard would have to pull an Ultimate Sacrifice by the end of the game?  Bravo, so did I.  For some endings at least.  What I didn't expect was for it to be in every ending, with a single Easter egg in one ending hinting that Shepard might have survived.

So no, it wasn't "heavily implied"  One breath is an Easter egg.  It's permission to headcanon something other than what was heavilly implied to have happened after walk into an explosion.

I f we have to watch Shepard electrcuted or disintigrated in some endings, we darn well should be able to see Shepard get rescued in others..  

it is heavily implied imho.  The scene wasnt added for us to believe Shep died moments later otherwise there would have been no point in even having the scene.  The scene was added to show that Shep did and does survive.  

[KevTheGamer]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

While I am with the majority who felt the original ending was really bad and I do appreciate the extended cut I also support at this time you guys standing firm to your beliefs about the fix. You cannot please everyone and the extended cut was excellent and I wish it was the ending that shipped with game. It really should have been honestly. 

[Archonsg]

The breath scene does one thing, it breaks the suspension of disbelief.
Just as if you see someone decapitated, then a few minutes later shown him to be up and walking about.

Shepard was at the center of an explosion so powerful, so devastating it not only had a initial blast spread that can be measured in kilometers, it very badly *damaged* the Citadel.

So, while I do understand what the intention of that scene, its premise and the events leading up to it simply breaks the viewer's suspension of disbelief.

Unless of course if you willfully ignore every thing known about physics, of the nature of and how kinetic momentum force (explosions) work, of the human body (even with cybernetic enhancements which arguably were destroyed in Destroy's choice) and medically known facts, such as Shepard already prior to meeting the Catalyst was suffering from severe blood loss.

Well, as long as you can ignore all that, that breath scene is "fine".

To be fair, though, the entire game is riddled with events that break your suspension of disbelief, but to have so many, and at the extreme end of the "wtf?!" scale in those last 10-20 minutes, just amplifies the degree that viewer would loose his or her suspension of disbelief.

Modifié par Archonsg, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:20 .

[chidingewe8036]

Look, all I am saying in this post is that the option should be there Bioware should implement the option to be there. Whether you want it, don't want it, don't care to see it, are satisfied with the current endings or whateva THE OPTION SHOULD BE THERE PERIOD. If you want Shepard to die don't pick it, if you want everyone to die a horrible death and never see anyone again don't pick it, if you want doom and gloom don't pick it but again THE OPTION NEEDS TO BE THERE THE OPTION.

Keep the EC and Original Endings how they are that is fine, great, clap clap happy days but just add a Happy reunite ending and THEN move on.

Shepard lying in rumble is not a reunite, dissolving into nothing is not happy or a reunite, refusing is diffenetly not a reunite I would just like to see Shepard at peace mentally and physically beside his squad and allies celebrating a galaxy free of the Reaper threat and looking onto a future without them maybe even opening a path for future things.

BUT THE OPTION NEEDS TO BE THERE

[chidingewe8036]

This series was supposedly about player options decision blah blah well add the option decision to reunite Shepard with his friends and allies and celebrate the end of the Reaper threat. Shepard sacrificing his self is AN OPTION A DECISION A PLAYER'S DECISION. Shepard screwing himself and everyone else in the galaxy if you CHOOSES NOT TO PICK IS A DECISION AN OPTION.

Give those who CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY THAT DECISION THAT CHOICE.

FOR.....HEAVEN......SAKES

I don't want to think about it, pretend it, headcanon it, assume it, I WANT TO SEE IT.

Miranda......girl a came back to you

Ash.......girl I came back to you, you did not loose me again

Garrus.......I came back you you

Jack........time to get laid

Whatever......just give us the freakin option

/end rant a.k.a. nerd rage

[Outsider edge]

Although i agree with Bioware's stance too leave the endings as is cause let's be honest enough additional content has been thrown at it already i don't necessarily agree with people saying a "happy"ending wouldn't fit. A full spectrum of endings like for example in DA:O could have been perfectly doable. Mass Effect 3 is the end of the trilogy and Shepard's story so they could have opted for a full array of different endings and consequences because there's no need too take another entry into consideration.

Thematically Mass Effect has more resonance with space opera style of sci-fi writing and a cheery "we defeat all" ending fits such stories like a glove. Now they could have opted for a suicide mission style of scaled endings ranging from perfect victory too total defeat.

The endings we eventually got were all different takes on ultimate sacrifice with one easter egg of sorts as a throw away too people wanting a Shepard lives ending. Not touching upon the execution but option wise that's not very broad. Bioware could have done so much more.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 17 janvier 2013 - 08:32 .

[Ultranovae]

what are you talking about? all the endings end up in a good note with enough EMS.
You may wanna watch "Disney's Hercules" for a by the book happy ending.

[InvincibleHero]

Maturity is accepting you can't always get what you want. Are you right to put your needs above the needs of BW and their right to use the property in ways they feel will benefit the company as a whole?