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[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Bioware can do whatever they want with their game and their story. Not your game and story, theirs.

That's a pretty big turn around from a few years ago.

Shortly after KotOR came out, a BW writer specifically said that the story belongs to the fans, and that it was merely BW's job to provide the tools for the players to establish their story.

That said, it's not such a great plan to give fans 2 games to make their own story, and then take that away for the 3rd game. You bet that's going to ****** me off.

It makes me wonder what happened to the old zeitgest. Not artistic enough?

Well, be realistic, it will never be "our story" in that sense.  I understand the concept, but it doesn't work. 

I have a Shepard who would've preferred to tell both the Alliance and Cerberus to shove off, and would've tried to use black-market resources, Omega, and Liara's connections to get the Reaper job done.  There will always be limitations within role-play storytelling boundaries, if you're operating with a direct story through-line. 

Exactly.  

[CynicalShep]

magnetite wrote...

Half these people have never heard of the word "budget" or know how a business works.

Mass Effect 3 doesn't need another cliche Hollywood style ending with sunshine and bunnies, conventional victory, spoon-fed action scenes via Priority Earth revamp and a boss fight with Harbinger that people have seen a thousand times before (eg. every game until recently had a final boss).

Bioware is taking a risk here and doing something different for a change. This game is groundbreaking in the way where it doesn't follow the same recycled path people are used to seeing. The ending is not predictable (eg. happy ending or a traditional Hollywood ending), and that's a good thing. Stuff like this needs to happen in order for things to change.

Otherwise, everything would be the same. People don't like change. Whenever something new and unfamiliar comes along they get all worked up about it. 

Actually the Mass Effect series as a whole is groundbreaking, because the whole choices carrying across three games has never been done before. So who's to say the ending can't also be groundbreaking and not follow the same recycled cliche pattern people are used to seeing?

ME3 is by no means ground breaking, the idea behind the ME series is. You are right, ME3 doesn't need bunnies because it's not a farming game, it was supposed to be an RPG. I like the idea of "different endings" and I'm even fine with the "no final boss" concept. The quality of the story took a big drop compared with the first two games of the series (not to say that they are perfect) and their bigges mistake (imho) is the change of it's genre midway. ME3 was dumbed down badly, one of the most popular aspects of the game (dialogue) was stripped down and there are too many plotholes for a game of this caliber. The funny thing is that in spite of the fact that they tried to make it a shooter there are many better shooters out there. So they went with the middle ground between RPG and pew-pew and achieved none of the two. I would have never thought that the best aspect of this game will end up being the one I wasn't looking forward to - multiplayer

Modifié par CynicalShep, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:17 .

[Iakus]

Faust1979 wrote...

i don't understand why gamers can't act like adults about something. There are happy endings in the game, the galaxy being able to rebuild itself, seeing shepard breathing those are happy endings. You can't think up things for yourself? if you see Shepard surviving then you sure should be able to imagine all the things he went on to do after that. Do you really need Bioware to fill in every little detail of what happened afterwards? can gamers honestly not think for themselves. Must you act like entitled children and think you should be handed everything?

First:  The things Shepard has to do wityh the Crucible to "save" the galaxy pretty muc hmeans no ending will be "happy" regardless.

Second:  There's a lot of leeway between one breath and "every little detail"

"entitled children"?  Nevermind what I just wrote, you're not interested in reasoned discussion anyway.

Modifié par iakus, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:51 .

[Seboist]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

Or you can (wo)man up and move on to go player better shooters (Gears,Uncharted,etc) and/or WRPGs where your choices matter*(Witcher,DAO,New Vegas,etc).

*By "choices mattering" I don't mean having a fluff option to be with waifu/husbandu at the end.

Modifié par Seboist, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:21 .

[CynicalShep]

Faust1979 wrote...

i don't understand why gamers can't act like adults about something. There are happy endings in the game, the galaxy being able to rebuild itself, seeing shepard breathing those are happy endings. You can't think up things for yourself? if you see Shepard surviving then you sure should be able to imagine all the things he went on to do after that. Do you really need Bioware to fill in every little detail of what happened afterwards? can gamers honestly not think for themselves. Must you act like entitled children and think you should be handed everything?

And I thought you were actually trying to have a serious discussion. 

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Why do we keep seeing spam like this every day?

Can't you just face the facts for once, and accept that Bioware are not going to change the ending to their game, just because you think they should. It's been nearly a year at this point. Get over it and move on. Lots of other good games out there.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:24 .

[chidingewe8036]

ALL I WANT IS FOR BIOWARE TO GIVE US THE CHOICE FOR OUR SHEPARDS TO HAVE A HAPPY ENDING IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CANON OR ANYTHING, JUST GIVE FANS THE EXTRA CHOICE LIKE THEY DID REFUSAL.........JUST ADD IT ON THEY DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH THEIR ENDINGS JUST ADD A HAPPY REUNITE ONE TO THE MIX THATS ALL..........THEN FOCUS ON ME4 COME OOOOOON BIOWARE!!!!!

[RogueBot]

spirosz wrote...

We have a happy ending, the galaxy survives.



trolololol.

All those trillions of pixelated fictional people get to live happily ever after, hooray.

Edit: Sorry, most of them weren't pixelated, their existence was only implied.

Modifié par RogueBot, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:26 .

[Seboist]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

ALL I WANT IS FOR BIOWARE TO GIVE US THE CHOICE FOR OUR SHEPARDS TO HAVE A HAPPY ENDING IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CANON OR ANYTHING, JUST GIVE FANS THE EXTRA CHOICE LIKE THEY DID REFUSAL.........JUST ADD IT ON THEY DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH THEIR ENDINGS JUST ADD A HAPPY REUNITE ONE TO THE MIX THATS ALL..........THEN FOCUS ON ME4 COME OOOOOON BIOWARE!!!!!

Can't believe I'm saying this but.... I recommend you get into IT and go join their board.

[Seboist]

RogueBot wrote...

spirosz wrote...

We have a happy ending, the galaxy survives.



trolololol.

All those trillions of pixelated fictional people get to live happily ever after, hooray.

Edit: Sorry, most of them weren't pixelated, their existence was only implied.

ME NO CARE BOUT TRILLINZ OF LIVES IF I DUN GET TO C WAIFU!!!!!!

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

Or you can (wo)man up and move on to go player better other shooters (Gears,Uncharted,etc) and/or WRPGs where your choices matter*(Witcher,DAO,New Vegas,etc).

Seconded, both the sentiment and some of the games mentioned (New Vegas especially is fantastic, post-patches and with the DLC).

[chidingewe8036]

as only one voice and one disgruntled fan all I can do right now is stay hopeful. Hope is all any of us have.

For some reason tho u guys I have a funny deep gut feeling we have not heard the last of our Shepards or his crew, despite what Bioware have publicly told us I think Shepard, his allies and friends will return in ME4 in a new capacity against a new foe I just have a feeling.........

"it's getting late but ok.......ONE MORE STORY"

This aint over ya'll........Dark Energy Plot is still out there nice and ripe for the pickens!!!!!!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Go look up marauder shields. It's not only good fanfiction, but it's fanfiction that is recommended by ME voice actors, game developers like Chris Avellone from Obsidian, and even several people from bioware. And I'm not making that BS up.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

OP why can't you just accept the ending for what it is and move on? What's the big deal?!

[Fixers0]

 What Bioware appreantly failed to see with both the original endings and the extended cut  is that everything post starchild is just so awfully unpersonal, in the original endings it were just a series of pre-renderd vids playing as we speak. The Extended Cut, no matter what content it addded or the quality  thereof, still rentains this enterily unpersonal method of storytelling, we get a set of generic slides playing and some dialogue, even control, where shepard is talking, is essentially a monologue. At no point in the EC is the player given any chance of interaction: no dialogue opions, no gameplay, nothing, just more and more generic stuff.

This less satisfying then an ending like the original Mass Effect, were, even with just four endings, the players was given a large amount of dialogue options that further help establish the tone of the ending, and give the player a final voice before the Credits start rolling. This is also the primary reason as to why the game still isn't 'fixed' and why it's replay value remains the lowest of all three games.   

[Killdren88]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

DLC aint free to make.

Agreed. this will be a buy in my book. I'll even buy all of the other DLC.

[Liamv2]

Im allergic to happyness

[XXIceColdXX]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

OP why can't you just accept the ending for what it is and move on? What's the big deal?!

If you removed your rose coloured glasses (slowly off course, there is a lot to take in), you would see what the big deal is all about...

[VLX11387]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

OP why can't you just accept the ending for what it is and move on? What's the big deal?!

If you removed your rose coloured glasses (slowly off course, there is a lot to take in), you would see what the big deal is all about...

You said that in a less mean way than me  

[XXIceColdXX]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Go look up marauder shields. It's not only good fanfiction, but it's fanfiction that is recommended by ME voice actors, game developers like Chris Avellone from Obsidian, and even several people from bioware. And I'm not making that BS up.

I was aware of the acclaim Koobismo's been getting, quite an amazing response! 

[bboynexus]

Happy Ending?

You make me cringe, BSN.

[brusher225]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

It's called pride. It's hard for some to admit when they were wrong. Especially to a bunch of those peons on the forum called customers. Or x customers now in most cases.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Belisarius25 wrote...

There's the MEHEM ending mod if you want a happy ending in game.

the user plays on xbox ... no happy ending for xbox users.

FILTHY CONSOLE PEASANTS!

Joking, but I agree with OP. Why won't Bioware just do it? The amount of money they will get from re-doing the ending and packing it for a DLC is going to be a lot. Some people have even stated paying $30 for a new ending. Why does it hurt Bioware? Are they trying to keep a "We're never wrong" attitude? 

I rather pay for a new shiny ending which is overpriced than be stuck with nothing. MEHEM is just a happy mod, it isn't a good ending, but it really soothes the butthurt.

[Outsider edge]

brusher225 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 I know they want people to talk about their game and remember it but whether people want to see it or not the option needs to be there if only to close out the trilogy with the option at least, it does not all have to be all doom and gloom ending choices. It would solidify Shepard's journey and truly give everyone peace of mind and move on to the next story with slightly better feelings.

It's called pride. It's hard for some to admit when they were wrong. Especially to a bunch of those peons on the forum called customers. Or x customers now in most cases.

In the end it's their product so it's their choice. If Heineken adds peach flavour too their beer it's their choice even if customers won't like the taste. Too be fair it's been 10 months now and both the pro-enders as the anti-enders have been going in a neverending circlejerk concerning the Mass Effect 3 endings.

Just let it go. Debate why the endings are good or bad but stop trying too petition Bioware too remake them it's pointless.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 14 janvier 2013 - 11:49 .