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[Linkforlife]

crimzontearz wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

 
Right, well, there were no plans for a ps3 version of any of the games and lookie, all three are now available for ps3.

I am not saying further modifications of the endings will come for sure I am juat saying it is not impossible. Besides, adding context ≠ changing it (unless you ask Tuly)

Got to remember, Bethesda said roughly the same thing before the release of Fallout 3's Broken Steel DLC, although, I admit I do not know all the details resutling in Broken Steel's release.

[NM_Che56]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

screenshots or it didn't happen! LOL.  J/K

Can you give details on when we'll get details?

[3DandBeyond]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

You have access to ME3 DLC sales numbers? Well I guess you countered me there.

Numbers? No. Comparative sales? Yes, thanks to the Xbox Live Marketplace. This post, made a few days back, shows all Mass Effect DLC ordered by how well it sold. I'm aware that ME1 and ME2's DLC has had years longer to accumulate sales, but let me point out that From Ashes is #2 on that list while Levi is #16 and Omega is #21, beating only TWO DLCs in number of sales (the Groundside Pack and the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack, for the record). It also explains where and how I got my numbers, in case you want to check it yourself. Not only that, but someone made a similar list about a month ago (found on Page 2 of the same thread), and Omega has barely budged from the bottom of the list.

The thing that leads me to question the XBLA ranking charts and their veracity is that those rankings haven't really shifted since I looked at them a few months ago. Something appears to be snagged. 

Did you by chance make a copy of the listings at that point in time? If so, would you mind posting them, please? I'd love to run some comparisons! If not, oh well.

So far as the accuracy of the rankings, they aren't my numbers, so I suppose I can't really say for sure. However, Microsoft really has nothing to gain from releasing inaccurate rankings, and comparing ABCoLD's list to mine, it's apparent that there have been minor adjustments in comparative rankings in only the month between our posts; so I'm not ready to call the numbers inaccurate unless there's more solid evidence than "those rankings haven't really shifted since (...) a few months ago." We'd have an easier time of it if EA would release their sales numbers, but so far they've declined to do so.

Bear in mind also that these are comparative rankings, not straight-up sales numbers. If sales numbers hadn't budged in a few months, I'd call a rat. However, comparisons have the property that both items being assessed can both get more sales without it being visible to us. LotSB, for example, could have closed the gap between it and Rebellion, but unless it passed Rebellion, we wouldn't see that change. And finally, there HAVE been changes in ranking with the DLC. At the time of ABCoLD's posting, Levi was behind ME2's Alternate Appearance Pack 2, while it is now ahead of it. ME3's Retaliation MP expansion was 2 below Pinnacle Station, while it is now 1 above. Just because there have not been major changes does not mean that there haven't been smaller ones.

You also have an issue in that you aren't looking at PC or PS3 sales and some people got some of the earlier DLC for free.  The later DLC was free to nobody-so there's no possible way to compare sales if any of that content includes free content.  What you could well be looking at is downloads and not true sales, and then you might even be including repeat downloads (someone bought it and had to re-download it).

It's kind of how slot machines determine wins.  Put a $20 bill in one, spend $10, get your change out, and the slot machine says "winner paid $10" because you got ten bucks out of the machine, but you lost ten bucks.


EDIT:  In reading that thread, a lot of people do bring up that issue of free content as skewing the figures.  I think it would be a different thing if it was about one time downloads so you could actually compare the most popular DLC downloaded.  Saying Leviathan was best-selling was always a bit of a red herring to me-since LotSB was free to a heck of a lot of people, and then so was the ME1 DLC and others.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 15 janvier 2013 - 04:55 .

[NM_Che56]

crimzontearz wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

 
Right, well, there were no plans for a ps3 version of any of the games and lookie, all three are now available for ps3.

I am not saying further modifications of the endings will come for sure I am juat saying it is not impossible. Besides, adding context ≠ changing it (unless you ask Tuly)

in all fairness, "no plans" is a little more open ended and relative to the state of things at the time versus flat out saying "no more ending stuff. period".

But everything can change...nothing is immutable.

[Kel Riever]

NightAntilli wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

NightAntilli wrote...

If you want happy endings, go watch Disney movies. And oh, I'd advise you to stay very far away from The Walking Dead and Spec Ops: The Line.

Some people do not read.  Like this poster.

I read the title and opening post perfectly. That other people are arguing for a sensible ending or whatever, independent of it being happy or not, that's fine. But the first poster is arguing for a happy ending. Maybe you're the one that should actually learn to read. 

IF you had read, you'd realize that your point has been refuted already.  Bad endings do not equal happy or sad endings.  Bad meands your ending sucked regardless of the mood that you wanted to create.  Don't be all P'Od because I called you on it.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 15 janvier 2013 - 04:54 .

[crimzontearz]

Linkforlife wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

 
Right, well, there were no plans for a ps3 version of any of the games and lookie, all three are now available for ps3.

I am not saying further modifications of the endings will come for sure I am juat saying it is not impossible. Besides, adding context ≠ changing it (unless you ask Tuly)

Got to remember, Bethesda said roughly the same thing before the release of Fallout 3's Broken Steel DLC, although, I admit I do not know all the details resutling in Broken Steel's release.

besides, I still want a ME version of a DMR

[Kel Riever]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

And damn, if BioWare wants to shoot itself in the foot, it sure does it with a shotgun!  Keep going!  Better to be totally wrong and stick to your guns that change your mind and be correct, huh?

[garrusfan1]

crimson yeah i don't think there is a chance they will change it but i do think they will add to it maybe a reunion. and yeah people don't seem to realize there is a difference

[Kabraxal]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

Then I guess I have no plans to waste money on a pointless DLC that will only exist in a meaningless universe now.  Thanks for saving me the money.

[crimzontearz]

garrusfan1 wrote...

crimson yeah i don't think there is a chance they will change it but i do think they will add to it maybe a reunion. and yeah people don't seem to realize there is a difference

there would be better way to handle it, but as I said before, my perspective has changed, if slightly, enough to allow me to replay the game

[Iakus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

So many people asking for the same thing over many months.

You don't suppose ME3 might be missing something, do you?

[TMZuk]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

*sigh*

Well, that was the last hope that was extinguished. I had hoped the long silence from Bioware meant you were reconsidering your stance. To bad.

But I'll at least save money. I haven't bought any DLC so far, and since the endings will remain unchanged I won't be buying any either. In fact, I don't see how I could possible get myself to buy ME4. To me, the ME-series is dead.

I'll follow the development of DA3. Considering DA2 I am not hopeful, but we'll see.

Modifié par TMZuk, 15 janvier 2013 - 05:04 .

[dreamgazer]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Did you by chance make a copy of the listings at that point in time? If so, would you mind posting them, please? I'd love to run some comparisons! If not, oh well.

I don't, sorry.  All I remember is that it was a few weeks after Omega was released, and the ranking tiers were pretty much the same as they are now---either indicating that everything is performing with incredible consistency, or that there might be some issues with that method of evaluation. 

I don't doubt that the sales for Omega weren't stellar, and that it has something to do with the content's angle and price-point, but I also doubt that Leviathan didn't inch its way up higher on the rankings following holiday gifts and the 50% off sale. So, yeah. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 15 janvier 2013 - 05:09 .

[garrusfan1]

crimzontearz wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

crimson yeah i don't think there is a chance they will change it but i do think they will add to it maybe a reunion. and yeah people don't seem to realize there is a difference

there would be better way to handle it, but as I said before, my perspective has changed, if slightly, enough to allow me to replay the game

i am sorry what did you mean by there would be a better way to handle it

[Brovikk Rasputin]

I can't believe some of you people are actually surprised by Priestly's post. How many times does he and Bioware have to say it?! Seriously.

[Reth Shepherd]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

You have access to ME3 DLC sales numbers? Well I guess you countered me there.

Numbers? No. Comparative sales? Yes, thanks to the Xbox Live Marketplace. This post, made a few days back, shows all Mass Effect DLC ordered by how well it sold. I'm aware that ME1 and ME2's DLC has had years longer to accumulate sales, but let me point out that From Ashes is #2 on that list while Levi is #16 and Omega is #21, beating only two DLCs in number of sales (the Groundside Pack and the ME3 Alternate Appearance Pack, for the record). It also explains where and how I got my numbers, in case you want to check it yourself. Not only that, but someone made a similar list about a month ago (found on Page 2 of the same thread), and Omega has barely budged from the bottom of the list.

And yet (please correct me if I'm wrong here) those fan made mods you listed arent available on XBox. They are PC only. Which means we have no real way of knowing how much those fan made mods really increased DLC sales as you suggested.

Which was what I was really getting at. We dont have access to the numbers that would let us know if those mods had any real affect on anything. While I don't doubt at least someone bought the DLCs due to the mods, it doesn't mean thousands did. Or even dozens.

That the ME3 DLCs sold worse as a whole doesn't surprise me. Personally I'm less likely to buy DLCs on any game with a definitive ending on them, I like ones that expand a game past its ending. How Happy or Sad the ending is doesnt change that for me. ME2 DLCs had the promise of carrying over to the next game, which was a huge incentive for nearly everyone to get them. ME3 is over no matter how it ends. Less incentive.

Ah, I see. Good point, and I suppose I can't really bring up solid numbers short of calling up Microsoft. (Which I might anyway, if only to see if I can wheedle Omega's numbers out of them.)

However, doesn't your own post support the idea that Ending DLC would sell well? Why purchase a DLC if it ultimately affects nothing? But since by definition an Ending DLC DOES change how things turn out, wouldn't that give people a reason to purchase it? Particularly if it was a new ending branch (yeah, I know, I'm dreaming here) instead of just 'press this button to avoid the Catalyst'? For example: Ilos. If this DLC started with a mission to Ilos, did stuff there, carried us through the mini-Relay onto the Citadel, and finally ends up at the Citadel Control Console (ME1, in the Council Chamber), where we either use the Crucible differently or skip it altogether, would that make enough of a difference in things to be worth your while?

[MinatheBrat]

iakus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have said this many times, we are done with the ending of Mass Effect. While there is still DLC to come (I cannot go into details yet) we will not be making any "ending" DLC.

So many people asking for the same thing over many months.

You don't suppose ME3 might be missing something, do you?

Ha. Yes, well, they'll be missing me buying any SP DLC. I was hoping when I heard about this last mysterious dlc (last bit extinguished) that there would be something to it that would allow me to enjoy what had been my favorite series again and get excited over the previously released dlc, because I don't -and haven't since the EC- see the point playing any more of the SP as it stands. It's heartbreaking and depressing and the opposite of fun.
I'm sad. 

[crimzontearz]

garrusfan1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

crimson yeah i don't think there is a chance they will change it but i do think they will add to it maybe a reunion. and yeah people don't seem to realize there is a difference

there would be better way to handle it, but as I said before, my perspective has changed, if slightly, enough to allow me to replay the game

i am sorry what did you mean by there would be a better way to handle it

some people do believe there is no emotional payoff unless the hero dies hence bioware's handling of the breath scene like a DM at the end of a campaign asking the player "so what is next for your character" after pitting the dice down and getting ready for a new set of characters (the delivery was awful tho).

some of us postulated that if the survival or death of Shepard could be determined by a single unassuming line of dialogue during priority Earth then everybody would get what they want (no reunion scene mind you but a clear cut survival scene/memorial


 
something like picking between two responses to your LI "it is time to do what I must" or "no matter what, I am coming back for you"

depending on which one it is picked you get the corresponding outcome 

[Dr_Extrem]

"all hands on deck" ... all writers, probably all voice actors (hiring just ashs voice actor does not make sense) and sam is composing tear jerking music.

well ... as i said before .. 500 assets (probably useless), cerberus mooks and a throwaway character - but with tearjerking musik and ash shouting *aarrrghhh* again. just 15 usd.

[Fawx9]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I can't believe some of you people are actually surprised by Priestly's post. How many times does he and Bioware have to say it?! Seriously.

Because it would be stupidly easy and fix a lot of things if they added 10-30 more seconds of footage to the High EMS Destory ending.

Combine the suggestion that a final dialogue choice choose what the breath scene represents and have dubbed over dialogue pertaining to that. 

Would it be nice if they did a proper memorial wall scene ala MEHEM or funeral, yes. However I'm sure most can live with a search party scene finding Shepard and expressing themselves based on the choice.

[Linkforlife]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

"all hands on deck" ... all writers, probably all voice actors (hiring just ashs voice actor does not make sense) and sam is composing tear jerking music.

well ... as i said before .. 500 assets (probably useless), cerberus mooks and a throwaway character - but with tearjerking musik and ash shouting *aarrrghhh* again. just 15 usd.

Sadly, I almost expect something like that.

[garrusfan1]

crimson i could live with that if it makes the point that sheaprd was rescued and will live but i still want to see an LI reunion but i could live with that

[Reth Shepherd]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I can't believe some of you people are actually surprised by Priestly's post. How many times does he and Bioware have to say it?! Seriously.

If nothing else, because I'm surprised to see EA pass up a chance to get money out of customers. I would dearly love to know what's going on behind the scenes here. There has GOT to be something we're missing.

[crimzontearz]

garrusfan1 wrote...

crimson i could live with that if it makes the point that sheaprd was rescued and will live but i still want to see an LI reunion but i could live with that

hence why I said CLEAR survival scene...


 
I want a reunion too but lacking that I could live with this and it would NOT change the ending but merely express visually our interpretation which bioware gave us permission to impose upon it


 
Everybody wins

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I can't believe some of you people are actually surprised by Priestly's post. How many times does he and Bioware have to say it?! Seriously.

If nothing else, because I'm surprised to see EA pass up a chance to get money out of customers. I would dearly love to know what's going on behind the scenes here. There has GOT to be something we're missing.

You know absolutely nothing bout how much I'd cost to develop that kind of thing and how many people who would actually buy it.