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[Asch Lavigne]

Hah, can you imagine Hawke, Fenris and Merrill all together? (or Anders)

[chuckles471]

Love triangle... yes, good for drama.

Threesome/moresome... Yes, can show that that characters like a bit of fun.

Polygamy... No, would totally destroy the characters of the people involved. Somebody would have to be BF/GF number 2 and I couldn't IMO see them as a strong character. I have no problem with submissive people in real life(whatever gets your feet wet) but when your going on an adventure, I would like people who won't bend at the knee.

PS I know their are brave people in RL and Fiction who were submissive but to me it just doesn't work.

[Maria Caliban]

You can have a polyamorous relationship without one person being submissive.

And BioWare has already had submissive love interests. Leliana, for example.

[chuckles471]

Maria Caliban wrote...

You can have a polyamorous relationship without one person being submissive.

And BioWare has already had submissive love interests. Leliana, for example.

Well everything I have seen on polygamy (I am no expert), most of the time you will get one of the same-sex partners who will take higher position than the others.  And I think, researchers just put that down to nature and how we used to act.

Yeah, but she doesn't exactly congratulate you when you try to go with another person.  So not a complete doormat.

Modifié par chuckles471, 14 janvier 2013 - 10:37 .

[Maria Caliban]

Leliana gives you approval for having a threesome or foursome.

And one doesn't have to be a doormat to be submissive. Alistar explicitly states that he prefers others to do the leading, but he doesn't take it if you try to spare Loghain.

Honestly, I'd consider most companions somewhat submissive as most of them quickly accept you as the leader and accept the vast majority of the PC's wishes without complaint.

chuckles471 wrote...

Well everything I have seen on polygamy (I am no expert), most of the time you will get one of the same-sex partners who will take higher position than the others.  And I think, researchers just put that down to nature and how we used to act.

That's also true of monogamy. In fact, traditional Western monogamy has one partner being the property of the other.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 janvier 2013 - 10:42 .

[lunamoondragon]

Now that I think about it, I am interested in the possibilities here. I think it could possibly come down to the characters involved; someone like Isabela or Zevran in characteristic might possibly be okay with a polyamorous relationship. But if a character holds beliefs that would go against such things it would be natural for them to object and possibly leave the romance. 
I think it's a nice middle ground on the subject, it makes the option a possibility but makes for realistic characterization (and drama!) as well. 

[chuckles471]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Leliana gives you approval for having a threesome or foursome.

And one doesn't have to be a doormat to be submissive. Alistar explicitly states that he prefers others to do the leading, but he doesn't take it if you try to spare Loghain.

Honestly, I'd consider most companions somewhat submissive as most of them quickly accept you as the leader and accept the vast majority of the PC's wishes without complaint.

chuckles471 wrote...

Well everything I have seen on polygamy (I am no expert), most of the time you will get one of the same-sex partners who will take higher position than the others.  And I think, researchers just put that down to nature and how we used to act.

That's also true of monogamy. In fact, traditional Western monogamy has one partner being the property of the other.

A threesome isn't polygamy, just a bit of fun which she was involved with. 

Yes, but Alister also wouldn't be involved in polygamy so my point still stands.

Yes, marriage usually has a dominant person but in polygamy you are submissive to at least two people.  You are second tier of the relationship and that is the reality of most of them. 

Modifié par chuckles471, 14 janvier 2013 - 11:10 .

[EpicTragedy]

chuckles471 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Leliana gives you approval for having a threesome or foursome.

And one doesn't have to be a doormat to be submissive. Alistar explicitly states that he prefers others to do the leading, but he doesn't take it if you try to spare Loghain.

Honestly, I'd consider most companions somewhat submissive as most of them quickly accept you as the leader and accept the vast majority of the PC's wishes without complaint.

chuckles471 wrote...

Well everything I have seen on polygamy (I am no expert), most of the time you will get one of the same-sex partners who will take higher position than the others.  And I think, researchers just put that down to nature and how we used to act.

That's also true of monogamy. In fact, traditional Western monogamy has one partner being the property of the other.

A threesome isn't polygamy, just a bit of fun which she was involved with. 

Yes, but Alister also wouldn't be involved in polygamy so my point still stands.

Yes, marriage usually has a dominant person but in polygamy you are submissive to at least two people.  You are second tier of the relationship and that is the reality of most of them. 

That isn't necessary though.

[Nashimura]

Slightly related but i wish bioware games in general would acknowledge when you try to play two romances at once.... doesn't have to be a pick one situation like Liara and Ash/Kaiden it could be both of them deciding you are not worthwhile.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Jade Empire had that nice group relationship.

[DukeFirewood]

I don't think Polygamous relationships would be a good idea. Polygamy is illegal in most parts of the world and even then there are very, very few people who practice it (Religious exception). So why include it in a game? We already have group sex, straight relationships and bisexual relationships. That's more than enough for one title to have.

One on one relationships are awkward already and don't involve the majority of people, most just pursue relationships for the sex scene. Bioware needs to work on creating a really involved and fulfilling romance between your character and an NPC, one which involves a player emotionally as well.

I felt DA:O did this pretty well with Alistair, I did feel slightly pissed off, sad and happy that he sacrificed himself for Feralden and female Warden.

My personal view is that Polygamous relationships would do nothing but provide players the opportunity of having their own personal harem and by fulfilling juvenile fantasies that could be adequately served by the many different sites on the net that cater towards that.

[Iakus]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Jade Empire had that nice group relationship.

Yeah but if you uncover that little secret about one of them, it turns reaally squickworthy 

[EpicTragedy]

DukeFirewood wrote...

I don't think Polygamous relationships would be a good idea. Polygamy is illegal in most parts of the world and even then there are very, very few people who practice it (Religious exception). So why include it in a game? We already have group sex, straight relationships and bisexual relationships. That's more than enough for one title to have.

Murder tends to be illegal in most parts of the world. That is a terrible reason for it not being included in a game. I'd just like to see you try and play any of these games without killing anyone.

It isn't just a religious exception either. Just because something isn't a cultural norm for your (western) culture doesn't mean it isn't accepted in other cultures. You'd be surprised to learn that most cultures aren't as closed-minded about it as modern western cultures.

For example...
According to the Ethnographic Atlas Codebook, of 1,231 societies noted, 186 were monogamous. 453 had occasional polygyny, 588 had more frequent polygyny, and 4 had polyandry.[/i]
http://eclectic.ss.u...4EthnoAtlas.pdf

Modifié par EpicTragedy, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:54 .

[Twisted Path]

Dear Bioware,

Please don't make your next game a harem simulator no matter how many people beg you to. The romances can be silly enough as is.

[schalafi]

I wonder how EA would react to polygamous relationships in Bioware's game... or Fox news network? Somehow I don't think there would be much approval, considering how we still have sex scenes fully clothed right now.

[EpicTragedy]

Twisted Path wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please don't make your next game a harem simulator no matter how many people beg you to. The romances can be silly enough as is.

You're pretty good at that straw man. You must practice a lot.

[iOnlySignIn]

Why is it that you can talk about polygamy, but not BDSM? Why BioWare? What does this mean?

[Maria Caliban]

You can talk about BDSM. Well, I can, maybe you can't.

[iOnlySignIn]

Edit: Meh whatever. I don't care enough about BW any more to write another thread about it.

http://social.biowar...3/index/8420792

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 15 janvier 2013 - 02:49 .

[Maria Caliban]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Edit: Meh whatever. I don't care enough about BW any more to write another thread about it.

http://social.biowar...3/index/8420792

I think a serious discussion about BDSM could never spring from that original post. You call Sith 'the pinnacle of sadomasochism.' That's like suggesting men who rape other men in prison are the pinnacle of homosexuality.

You then suggest *dying painfully* is somehow a good jumping off point for sexual masochism.

I mean, that's a Chick tract level of WTF.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 janvier 2013 - 04:59 .

[Fortlowe]

Don't no much about, polygamy or BDSM (except for 'The Story of O' and the 'Sleeping Beauty' books), but I know a little about casual sex, break ups, make ups, hook ups, friend zones, unreturned affection, revenge sex, rebound sex, creepy crushes, and walks of shame. You know: dating.

I think it would be cool if the PC began to suspect their LI was stepping out on them, or broke up with them only to try dsperately make up later after the PC has moved on. The fodder for companion banter in just plain human frailty would be rich.

Also, if you couldn't tell this post hit a little close to home. I'm going go drink and cry now.

[Celene II]

I dont see how it would be more complex to do this sort of thing.

Instead of writing the "jealous" pick me line

You write the, we are ok with it line.

And then you allow for both romances to continue.

How is that more complex then what your already doing?

[Nightdragon8]

I thought in DA:O could be in a relatinoship with Leliana, Morgan and marry Anora

[CuriousArtemis]

FreshIstay wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

It's an uncommon lifestyle choice so it would seem odd to include it randomly in a game.

Sexuality is a state of being and not a lifestyle choice, so it does make sense to include various types within the game.

Damn, i could have swore you were arguing for more homosexual representation on another thread, now the switch 

Yes, I was; I'm not sure I understand your comment though. Sexuality and a lifestyle choice are two different things, as I said in my original comment.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

How is it uncommon? First of all humans are not naturally monogamous, and then you have mormons. and why are you comparing it to modern society and the real world? Homosexuality may be natural, but not only is it uncommon, it sure as hell wasn't accepted openly in the real world in the past, and even today we still fight for gay rights.