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[Plaintiff]

Celene II wrote...

I dont see how it would be more complex to do this sort of thing.

Instead of writing the "jealous" pick me line

You write the, we are ok with it line.

And then you allow for both romances to continue.

How is that more complex then what your already doing?

It's not.

It's also not polyamory.

[RetroActiv]

Not necessarily. I suppose it would depend on where things go from there. There would have to be a mutual understanding and acceptance on the part of both rather than having them simply turn a blind eye to it.

[Nazomi]

EpicTragedy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

EpicTragedy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

EpicTragedy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

OP you're talking about polyamory and not necessarily polygamy as just about all romances thus far don't result in marriage. Personally I am very open to the expansion of romance options beyond the exclusive monogomous romances. 

Fair enough, although I don't know why you nitpick about correcting me on that when you go and misuse "monogamous" in the same way the very next sentence without even spelling it right.

It's hardly nitpicking. There is a clear distinction between what polyamory is and what polygamy is.You seem to be confused by my usage of the word "monogamous". Currently full romances have been exclusively monogamous . Including polyamorous romances would be expanding beyond the restriction of monogamous romance. Hope that cleared things up for you.

I don't dispute the distinction being clear or not. I dispute your criticism of my misuse of polygamy, which as you correctly noted specifically refers to marriage, when you in turn the next sentence misuse monogamy for the very same reason.

There is no confusion here, on my part at least. Monogamous is in specific reference to marriage between two individuals. Full romances have not been exclusively monogamous at all, in fact I can't even think of one romance in the DA//ME series that involved an actual marriage. There are no "monogamous relationships" in the games if you want to be clear about it, which is what you wanted bringing up the distinction in the first place between polyamorous and polygamous.

*sigh* Okay let me make things clearer for you. Traditionaly monogamy refers to marriage but in common usage monogamy also refers to one exclusive romantic/sexual partner irrespective of marriage.  This is generally not the case for the term Polygamy. Apparently you didn't realize this and I just assumed you would, hence your confusion. I hope we're on the same page now. Either way i'd like to move on and get back to the topic at hand.

I don't know where you're getting the "common usage" distinction from. It seems rather arbitrary to me, but I won't dispute it. There wasn't really any confusion aside from me going by the book definitions and you going by "common usage".

Wow. You know I suspected this was a troll thread to begin with and this ridiculous argument actually furthers those suspicions. I mean pointing out irrelevant spelling errors as part of your argument? Very troll like . It just seems to me like someone actually interested in the idea of polyamorous relationships which is what the thread topic describes would know enough to use that term and not polygamy.  I have no problem with the inclusion of polyamorous or even polygamous relationships being depicted in some fashion or another in the Dragon Age universe as it isn't exactly far fetched.

[Leoroc]

If Rand al'Thor can have three wives I would at least like one girlfriend and one boyfriend =p

[CuriousArtemis]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

How is it uncommon? First of all humans are not naturally monogamous, and then you have mormons. and why are you comparing it to modern society and the real world? Homosexuality may be natural, but not only is it uncommon, it sure as hell wasn't accepted openly in the real world in the past, and even today we still fight for gay rights.

Because gay people exist; they are everywhere. You may not recognize them, but trust me, they're there. So it makes sense to put them in the game.

True polyamorous relationships are indeed uncommon; I don't know of any, and I doubt most people I know know of any. I'm understanding polyamorous to be several (as opposed to two) people engaged in a committed relationship to one another.

Plus, again, it is a lifestyle choice. BW isn't obligated to include a variety of uncommon lifestyle choices. Being gay, straight, or bi is not a lifestyle choice. It's a state of being. I do believe BW and other gaming companies have a moral obligation to include a variety of sexualities.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 15 janvier 2013 - 06:09 .

[EpicTragedy]

Nazomi wrote...

EpicTragedy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

EpicTragedy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

EpicTragedy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

OP you're talking about polyamory and not necessarily polygamy as just about all romances thus far don't result in marriage. Personally I am very open to the expansion of romance options beyond the exclusive monogomous romances. 

Fair enough, although I don't know why you nitpick about correcting me on that when you go and misuse "monogamous" in the same way the very next sentence without even spelling it right.

It's hardly nitpicking. There is a clear distinction between what polyamory is and what polygamy is.You seem to be confused by my usage of the word "monogamous". Currently full romances have been exclusively monogamous . Including polyamorous romances would be expanding beyond the restriction of monogamous romance. Hope that cleared things up for you.

I don't dispute the distinction being clear or not. I dispute your criticism of my misuse of polygamy, which as you correctly noted specifically refers to marriage, when you in turn the next sentence misuse monogamy for the very same reason.

There is no confusion here, on my part at least. Monogamous is in specific reference to marriage between two individuals. Full romances have not been exclusively monogamous at all, in fact I can't even think of one romance in the DA//ME series that involved an actual marriage. There are no "monogamous relationships" in the games if you want to be clear about it, which is what you wanted bringing up the distinction in the first place between polyamorous and polygamous.

*sigh* Okay let me make things clearer for you. Traditionaly monogamy refers to marriage but in common usage monogamy also refers to one exclusive romantic/sexual partner irrespective of marriage.  This is generally not the case for the term Polygamy. Apparently you didn't realize this and I just assumed you would, hence your confusion. I hope we're on the same page now. Either way i'd like to move on and get back to the topic at hand.

I don't know where you're getting the "common usage" distinction from. It seems rather arbitrary to me, but I won't dispute it. There wasn't really any confusion aside from me going by the book definitions and you going by "common usage".

Wow. You know I suspected this was a troll thread to begin with and this ridiculous argument actually furthers those suspicions. I mean pointing out irrelevant spelling errors as part of your argument? Very troll like . It just seems to me like someone actually interested in the idea of polyamorous relationships which is what the thread topic describes would know enough to use that term and not polygamy.  I have no problem with the inclusion of polyamorous or even polygamous relationships being depicted in some fashion or another in the Dragon Age universe as it isn't exactly far fetched.

Are you serious? You call me a troll, imply that I was using his "bad spelling" as an argument (here's a hint since you're new to the internet, no one actually thinks: "You spelled that word wrong, your argument is invalid"), and topped it off by further repeating a claim that has been made without any evidence or support. There really isn't much left to say about your post. 

[rapscallioness]

Hmmm, well, the only reason I would not want to see them attempt this--at this point--is cuz I'd like to see them work out the complexity of the relationships they have now.

Friendship as well as LI. DA2 kinda lurched about. Perhaps simply cuz of the time jumps.

But I'd like to see them master the juggling of the current relationship interactions, and making them more..nuanced? Complex? Paced better? Before they---ahem--throw more balls into the equation, as it were.

But if BW felt they could pull it off, and do it justice..then hey why not? It's not something I'm personally interested in, but more options is options.

[iOnlySignIn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Edit: Meh whatever. I don't care enough about BW any more to write another thread about it.

http://social.biowar...3/index/8420792

I think a serious discussion about BDSM could never spring from that original post. You call Sith 'the pinnacle of sadomasochism.' That's like suggesting men who rape other men in prison are the pinnacle of homosexuality.

You then suggest *dying painfully* is somehow a good jumping off point for sexual masochism.

I mean, that's a Chick tract level of WTF.

You know less than you think.

>90% of Sith on Sith violence is mutally consenting. See Rule of Two.

And you're not a real BDSM enthusiast if you have not fantasized about your own painful death.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 15 janvier 2013 - 08:16 .

[TheJediSaint]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

And you're not a real BDSM enthusiast if you have not fantasized about your own painful death.

So much for safe, sane, and consentual, then.

[iOnlySignIn]

TheJediSaint wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

And you're not a real BDSM enthusiast if you have not fantasized about your own painful death.

So much for safe, sane, and consentual, then.

Well, maybe you have Force powers to involuntarily turn your fantasies to reality.

My fantasies are perfectly safe and distinguishable from reality.

[argan1985]

How can this be even remotely relevant into making a good game? What this thread is about does not seem to have anything whatsoever to do with a video game. Do you want BioWare games to be taken seriously? Then drop this whole "teh emutionz and imursion and relationships" factor and they might be called dating simulators anymore.

[EpicTragedy]

argan1985 wrote...

How can this be even remotely relevant into making a good game? What this thread is about does not seem to have anything whatsoever to do with a video game. Do you want BioWare games to be taken seriously? Then drop this whole "teh emutionz and imursion and relationships" factor and they might be called dating simulators anymore.

It's not a big deal or anything, some people just hate having to choose between Jack and Tali, Leliana and Morrigan, whatever floats your boat. Why are you so hostile? Bioware games are taken seriously by many people, if you don't take them seriously that's your loss. You don't have to romance anyone if you don't want to either. I don't see how you can complain about story immersion when that is literally the hallmark of their games.

[argan1985]

I don't know, it's just...after the abysmal Dragon Age 2 and the mediocre Mass Effect 3, this is what people are concerned about instead of gameplay elements?

And I was more immersed in Baldur's Gate than I have been in any other Bioware game. Having some voiced dialogue in a slapped-on romance would more likely break the immersion. Nothing beats your own imagination.

[brecka]

Raydiva wrote...

EpicTragedy wrote...

secretsandlies wrote...

hmm... and what about polyogamous romances with other two males?

Zhevran and Alistair, Garrus and Jacob, etc

Polygamy doesn't necessarily have to be between one male and two or more females. It just involves more than two partners.

Polygamy is a man having two or more wives.  Polyandry is a woman having two or more husbands.

Heh...sounds like too much of a headache either in game or in real life to bother with.

Polygamy is actually an overarching term for having more than one spouse.  Polyandry=more than one husband.  Polygyny= more than one wife.  I agree with what you said--It'd be a bit of a headache! 

[H. Birdman]

I don't care one way or the other. It amazes me, though, how much importance people attach to these cartoonish, poorly-written romantic exchanges.

If it's a political point, it's been made: We're all supposed to sit here and nod approvingly when you tell us you'd like a serious, mature relationship with two men, a woman, a Darkspawn, a sheep, and a ghost. Fine. All life choices are equally valid. Whatever. Jesus.

But if you're actually hoping you'll be able to live out every possible permutation of romantic involvement in a video game for which 70% of the playtime is spent killing things, that's just sad.

[Versus Omnibus]

Well, this topic is certainly interesting.

[Peer of the Empire]

because written by girls

[Plaintiff]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

because written by girls

Wait.

Are women causing polyamory to be in games, or are they responsible for the lack of it?

[EpicTragedy]

argan1985 wrote...

I don't know, it's just...after the abysmal Dragon Age 2 and the mediocre Mass Effect 3, this is what people are concerned about instead of gameplay elements?

And I was more immersed in Baldur's Gate than I have been in any other Bioware game. Having some voiced dialogue in a slapped-on romance would more likely break the immersion. Nothing beats your own imagination.

Well I guess that's your opinion so you're entitled to it.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I might get shot when people read this post, but its time Bioware moved on from romances in games, its getting old and the quality of the stories Bioware are trying to tell these days are becoming increasingly poor. So I think Bioware should focus more on the plot of their games to get them back up to the quality we are use to then maybe revisit romances.

[Renmiri1]

I think it isn't fair to blame romance for the ME3 fiasco and for the changes DA2 had from DAO. I quite like DA2 but the game was produced in a year, you see examples of rushed development everywhere on it and that is not because of romance.

But hey, you wanna make it your scapegoat, fine. Just don't complain when others tell you it doesn't make any sense.

[nicethugbert]

YES! I want a harem! I'm the hero, I deserve my welcome! I want a harem!

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

DinoSteve wrote...

I might get shot when people read this post, but its time Bioware moved on from romances in games, its getting old and the quality of the stories Bioware are trying to tell these days are becoming increasingly poor. So I think Bioware should focus more on the plot of their games to get them back up to the quality we are use to then maybe revisit romances.

I am not only blaming romance for the poor quailty of recent Bioware stories, but it is part of the problem. Just look at the dialgoue for the romances in Dragon Age 2, it was some of the poorest writing I have ever seen/heard.

[Renmiri1]

DinoSteve wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I might get shot when people read this post, but its time Bioware moved on from romances in games, its getting old and the quality of the stories Bioware are trying to tell these days are becoming increasingly poor. So I think Bioware should focus more on the plot of their games to get them back up to the quality we are use to then maybe revisit romances.

I am not only blaming romance for the poor quailty of recent Bioware stories, but it is part of the problem. Just look at the dialgoue for the romances in Dragon Age 2, it was some of the poorest writing I have ever seen/heard.

I actually loved DA2 romances.. much better than "Licking a lamppost in the winter" like DAO

DA2 was very well written, as far as plot and romances. They departed from the tried and true "Recipe" for hero's journey and made a completely fresh approach to RPG storytelling. I happen to like it very much some people dislike it but give the writers a lot of credit for daring to break tradition and risk something new. There is another thread where this is discussed if you are interested 

http://social.biowar.../index/15589631

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Renmiri1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I might get shot when people read this post, but its time Bioware moved on from romances in games, its getting old and the quality of the stories Bioware are trying to tell these days are becoming increasingly poor. So I think Bioware should focus more on the plot of their games to get them back up to the quality we are use to then maybe revisit romances.

I am not only blaming romance for the poor quailty of recent Bioware stories, but it is part of the problem. Just look at the dialgoue for the romances in Dragon Age 2, it was some of the poorest writing I have ever seen/heard.

I actually loved DA2 romances.. much better than "Licking a lamppost in the winter" like DAO

DA2 was very well written, as far as plot and romances. They departed from the tried and true "Recipe" for hero's journey and made a completely fresh approach to RPG storytelling. I happen to like it very much some people dislike it but give the writers a lot of credit for daring to break tradition and risk something new. There is another thread where this is discussed if you are interested 

http://social.biowar.../index/15589631

There is alot of the plot that I don't have a problem with, I think the second act is fine, I like most of the first act, but the third act and some of the characters in all the acts are just really badly written.
I really do have to disagree about the romances even thinking about them makes me cringe, the side of my face was stinging because I facepalmed that much while watching them.
tbh I never even really minded the framed narrative, although it could have been done better, but it was fine.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 19 janvier 2013 - 10:45 .