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[Virmire Vermin]

 Why didn't you use these ideas instead?

1. Revan joining one of the Sith factions in the Unknown Regions and starting a civil war to defeat them from within.

2. Darth Nihilus being the other half of the Exile.

3. Setting the story two to three years after KotOR II.

That way, you could have brought them back in KotOR III looking like this:

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Regardless of their gender and alignment, which the player should have been allowed to choose, as they could in TSL.

Instead you gave the middle finger to everyone who played their Revan and Exile differently and had a different looking Revan and Exile. I'm disappointed with the lack of creativity.

Modifié par Virmire Vermin, 14 janvier 2013 - 03:58 .

[DeathScepter]

Well many canon junkies and other fans demanded Revan and Jedi Exile to be In TOR. Virmire, I do understand what you are saying. Yes it is a big middle finger to many fans of Kotor 1 and 2. The Novel Revan has its good points but Bioware had to decide what to do with Revan and Jedi Exile regardless of what they did in TOR.

As much as I want a Kotor Remake with improved graphic engine, improved and deeper gameplay and more flexible content(more sidequest but are not require to complete the main game) and a Kotor 3 with similar improvements, The Likely hood of Any Retcon of Revan or the Jedi Exile will be slim at best.

[Virmire Vermin]

Hi DeathScepter, I'm The Architect from Obsidian. You're right, they're never going to go back. If I had any kind of power in LucasArts, I'd do this:

1. Get Obsidian to make KotOR III.
2. Retcon the Old Republic MMO and the Revan novel.
3. Make Revan join one of the Sith factions in the Unknown Regions and start a civil war.
4. Make Darth Nihilus turn out to be the other half of the Exile.
5. Set the story two to three years after KotOR II.
6. Make the new main character one of the Jedi who "switched off the lightsaber" years ago.
7. Let the player select the genders and alignments of Revan and the Exile in a conversation.
8. See the ghost of Kreia and reveal that she is Kae.
9. See Revan and the Exile in the game looking like they do in my original post, regardless of their gender and alignment. You can't join a Sith faction looking like a Jedi Knight now, can you?

After playing TSL with the restored content mod, it got me back into talking about KotOR again. I saw on YouTube what they did to Revan and the Exile in TOR. Wish I could unsee it.

Modifié par Virmire Vermin, 14 janvier 2013 - 04:49 .

[DeathScepter]

Hi Architect.

Here is my Kotor 3.

1. Just Retcon Revan and Jedi Exile from Revan Novel and TOR
2. Get Bioware to get a Respectful Kotor 3 and Kotor 1 Remake
3. Kotor 3 have Revan as a PC and have him to discover the True Sith and undermine them
4. Revan having warm memories of Jedi Exile and have a good reason why the Jedi Exile is one of the Most Trusted Jedi General under Revan.
5. Keep Revan single regardless of his or her romance choices
6. Make Kotor 3 quite dark. Make the True Sith Empire as viable Threat as Kreia said it was.
7. Make Kreia and Arren Kae Related to each other.
8. Keeping Revan and Jedi Exile as flexible as possible. I know your Revan is different from mine. And my Jedi Exile is different from yours.
9.Even deeper game play, improved graphics and crafting
10. No matter what, Kotor 3 should be long and detail enough that it would help destroy the True Sith Empire Regardless of gender alignment or faction your Revan is on.


Sith Lord Revan hates having other Competition, So why not help the Republic to destroy the True Sith Empire. As much as I am a Revan fan, Jedi Exile has value. So No matter what, I would love a good scene to between Revan and Jedi Exile.

Obsidian should do a Jedi Exile Focus Kotor 4. And shows how Jedi Exile helps rebuild the Jedi Order and helps Revan in a different way.

Kotor 3 and Kotor 4 should show us two different fronts that Jedi Exile and Revan are attacking the Sith Empire. Some Time Travel will be involved.

In my Original Kotor 3 idea, it had Darth Nihilus as a independant entity from Jedi Exile and knows of her. He does explain their unique relationship a bit but not as opposite halves of the same person. Jedi exile is a woman and Darth Nihilus is a male. Also Darth Nilihus was a man that lost everything at Malachor 5.

[Ignoble]

Virmire Vermin wrote...
2. Retcon the Old Republic MMO and the Revan novel.

I think a lot of people feel this way. Though as DeathScepter said, it is just Revan and the Exile that need to be retconned. I wish this was possible, I really do.

Virmire Vermin wrote...
I saw on YouTube what they did to Revan and the Exile in TOR. Wish I could unsee it.

*nods head*

Modifié par Ignoble, 17 janvier 2013 - 12:04 .

[Talonfire]

Virmire Vermin wrote...
2. Retcon the Old Republic MMO and the Revan novel.

Lucas Licensing should do that regardless.

Modifié par Talonfire, 20 janvier 2013 - 04:12 .

[elitecom]

Yeah I definitely agree with retconning TOR and the Revan novel, there cannot be a KotOR 3 with those two still be considered canon. They ruined Revan and the Exile and really didn't care about what had been established in KotOR 1&2.

And look at the disaster that is TOR, it went free to play in order to get more players.

[DeathScepter]

elitecom wrote...

Yeah I definitely agree with retconning TOR and the Revan novel, there cannot be a KotOR 3 with those two still be considered canon. They ruined Revan and the Exile and really didn't care about what had been established in KotOR 1&2.

And look at the disaster that is TOR, it went free to play in order to get more players.

Well TOR is not bad in and of itself.  WoW and other MMOs are quite popular these days. So it will be hard to get into the market of MMO's.

Just Retcon Jedi Exile and Revan out of TOR and I would be happy.

[fiendishchicken]

I don't think Revan should have had a beard or long hair.

I think it's kind of lame when everyone does have longer hair.

What is this, the 70's?

[Talonfire]

fiendishchicken wrote...

I don't think Revan should have had a beard or long hair.

I think it's kind of lame when everyone does have longer hair.

What is this, the 70's?

They used mullet man for Revan's canon appearance, I would have been more disappointed if he didn't have long hair.

[DeathScepter]

why would you be disappointed if Revan didn't have long hair?

[Talonfire]

Talonfire wrote...
They used mullet man for Revan's canon appearance,

What more reason do I need?

[DeathScepter]

TalonFire, i am partial to Scarface Revan myself. For he looks the most similar to me.

[Centauri2002]

I just choose to see the Revan I played in the place of the one we are presented with in TOR. I didn't read the novel because I just couldn't see the character as anyone but my own. Or rather, I preferred not to. I was disappointed to see that they picked a canon Revan to depict in the MMO and the novel but it doesn't really affect the way I see the character. I'd still rather they hadn't done it though.

[DeathScepter]

well Centauri2002, there are two camps concerning Revan and Jedi Exile. 1) Wanted Canonize Jedi Exile and Revan Regardless, 2) Don't want to Canonize Revan or Jedi Exile moreso than they are.


I am In the Latter camp. As much as I want my personal Revan to be canon, there are other people has their own version of Revan and Jedi Exile.

[NRieh]

As much as I want my personal Revan to be canon, there are other people has their own version of Revan and Jedi Exile.

That's why it's best to leave both alone, stop stupid fan-service and start writing new good characters and plots instead of screwing old ones....yeah, I know it's too late to ask.

The only way around - use headcanon and ignore the rest. For me - whoever that bearded guy in cool robe is, he can't be Revan. Because myRevan was female. I don't care about that stupid FP and I will never accept it as any sort of canon.

And I'm wondering whether we're going to see femHawke saving mWarden soon enough...
And how long will it take someone to write canon post-ME3 novel for Liaramancing mShep...

[Talonfire]

Nrieh wrote...
The only way around - use headcanon and ignore the rest. For me - whoever that bearded guy in cool robe is, he can't be Revan. Because myRevan was female. I don't care about that stupid FP and I will never accept it as any sort of canon.

I actually do something fairly similar. I only acknowledge a scarce few things in the Star Wars EU as canon, and the Revan novel/TOR are not among them. As far as I'm concerned Revan and the Exile do not have canon genders, and neither ever returned from the Unknown Regions.

[DeathScepter]

yeah i do know what you mean.

[elitecom]

DeathScepter wrote...

elitecom wrote...

Yeah I definitely agree with retconning TOR and the Revan novel, there cannot be a KotOR 3 with those two still be considered canon. They ruined Revan and the Exile and really didn't care about what had been established in KotOR 1&2.

And look at the disaster that is TOR, it went free to play in order to get more players.

Well TOR is not bad in and of itself.  WoW and other MMOs are quite popular these days. So it will be hard to get into the market of MMO's.

Just Retcon Jedi Exile and Revan out of TOR and I would be happy.

I agree, if they removed the Exile and Revan from the game I might even buy TOR. The game looks really enticing and the story and setting look pretty all right too. But when Bioware and Lucasarts decided to add the Exile and Revan to story then we have a problem. The way in which they were incorporated into the story is just plain wrong and contradicts KotOR 1 & 2, that is my biggest problem.  

[Talonfire]

TOR wasn't nearly as bad as the Revan novel. I felt that Drew Karypshyn ruined the Exile's character.

Modifié par Talonfire, 26 janvier 2013 - 04:47 .

[DeathScepter]

TalonFire, The problem was many fans wanted to stupidity wanted to know what happen to Revan and Jedi Exile. Right or Wrong, Drew did his best with Revan and Jedi Exile.

Keep in Mind, some Star wars Fans are quite stupid that they would accept anything and the other half are dedicated canon junkies. Both do have their bad points. I do admit I am a huge Revan and Jedi Exile Fan but I would be quite happy to have Revan and Jedi Exile status as unknown. As much as I love both of them, there are plenty of other heroes within Star Wars. Shoe Horn Characters can be a bad thing.

Drew Karypshyn is a nice guy did his best under the given situation. A lot of the time, I will blame fans for Fan dumb.

elitecom, I do feel your pain.

[Talonfire]

Yeah, you can blame the canon junkie fans for demanding to know every little detail about Revan and the Exile, and their ultimate fates. The fans didn't write the Revan novel though, Drew did, and the poor handling of the characters, especially the Exile, is entirely his fault.

At least he kept Revan's original name a mystery, that's something at least.

Modifié par Talonfire, 26 janvier 2013 - 08:23 .

[DeathScepter]

Talonfire wrote...

Yeah, you can blame the canon junkie fans for demanding to know every little detail about Revan and the Exile, and their ultimate fates. The fans didn't write the Revan novel though, Drew did, and the poor handling of the characters, especially the Exile, is entirely his fault.

At least he kept Revan's original name a mystery, that's something at least.

No matter what Drew did, he would have pissed off fans. Damn if he did, damn if he didn't. And Canon Junkie Fans wanted to know Revan and Jedi Exile so they can defend their favorite characters. Some how Revan and Jedi Exile threaten their characters or the natural order of things.


For example, I am a fan of Kyp Durron myself. I don't see Revan or Jedi Exile as a threat. Then again, I am not a big Skywalker/Solo Fan. More of if they are not Skywalker or Solo Jedi then they are cool.

[Talonfire]

DeathScepter wrote...

Talonfire wrote...

Yeah, you can blame the canon junkie fans for demanding to know every little detail about Revan and the Exile, and their ultimate fates. The fans didn't write the Revan novel though, Drew did, and the poor handling of the characters, especially the Exile, is entirely his fault.

At least he kept Revan's original name a mystery, that's something at least.

No matter what Drew did, he would have pissed off fans. Damn if he did, damn if he didn't. And Canon Junkie Fans wanted to know Revan and Jedi Exile so they can defend their favorite characters. Some how Revan and Jedi Exile threaten their characters or the natural order of things.


For example, I am a fan of Kyp Durron myself. I don't see Revan or Jedi Exile as a threat. Then again, I am not a big Skywalker/Solo Fan. More of if they are not Skywalker or Solo Jedi then they are cool.

Maybe if I felt that Drew had actually played KotOR II I'd be more forgiving. The thing is, I didn't see any of the Exile in Meetra Surik.

[DeathScepter]

Talonfire wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Talonfire wrote...

Yeah, you can blame the canon junkie fans for demanding to know every little detail about Revan and the Exile, and their ultimate fates. The fans didn't write the Revan novel though, Drew did, and the poor handling of the characters, especially the Exile, is entirely his fault.

At least he kept Revan's original name a mystery, that's something at least.

No matter what Drew did, he would have pissed off fans. Damn if he did, damn if he didn't. And Canon Junkie Fans wanted to know Revan and Jedi Exile so they can defend their favorite characters. Some how Revan and Jedi Exile threaten their characters or the natural order of things.


For example, I am a fan of Kyp Durron myself. I don't see Revan or Jedi Exile as a threat. Then again, I am not a big Skywalker/Solo Fan. More of if they are not Skywalker or Solo Jedi then they are cool.

Maybe if I felt that Drew had actually played KotOR II I'd be more forgiving. The thing is, I didn't see any of the Exile in Meetra Surik.

Well No matter if he played Kotor 2 or not, How to apporach a deep game will be hard to do with having 2 strong leads.

No matter how Drew wrote the Revan novel, he would ****** someone off. That is the nature of writing a Novel with plenty of choices how to develop characters. 


Personally If Drew took Revan, Canderous, Bastila, T3-M4, and Jedi Exile out of the Novel. Focus on Darth Nyiss and Scourge and their relationship to the Sith Emperor. It would be much better.