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Explain to me why Destroy is not thematically anti-synthetic


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What Shepard thinks is fairly irrelevant, since you can choose a lot of them. The important quotes are the ones other people tell you, like Garrus's talk about the ruthless calculus, and many, many others. Every single ally tells you that sacrifices will have to be made and the Reapers must be destroyed. Is everyone on your side propaganda too? It's no different that the only true choice in Lord of the Rings is to destroy the One Ring, not use it or ally with Sauron.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

What Shepard thinks is fairly irrelevant, since you can choose a lot of them. The important quotes are the ones other people tell you, like Garrus's talk about the ruthless calculus, and many, many others. Every single ally tells you that sacrifices will have to be made and the Reapers must be destroyed. Is everyone on your side propaganda too? It's no different that the only true choice in Lord of the Rings is to destroy the One Ring, not use it or ally with Sauron.


How the **** can you even say that? Of course what Shepard thinks is relevant, because that's a reflection of his/her mind, and affects how people perceive him/her! Just because other people believe one thing doesn't mean you must believe it also!

Oh, I give up trying to have this debate with you. I might as well be talking to a ****ing wall.

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LotR and ME are two separate beasts

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I find it interesting that almost everyone chose to destroy the collector base, when that gained you absolutely nothing except the satisfaction of flipping off both the reapers and TIM.

Destroy is the same way. Is it logically the best choice? No. It's strength is what it symbolizes: victory and revenge.

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Yate wrote...

I find it interesting that almost everyone chose to destroy the collector base, when that gained you absolutely nothing except the satisfaction of flipping off both the reapers and TIM.

Destroy is the same way. Is it logically the best choice? No. It's strength is what it symbolizes: victory and revenge.


Yes, ME2 and ME3 Destroy both represent sticking to your guns, and doing what you came to do.

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Yate wrote...

Destroy is the same way. Is it logically the best choice? No. It's strength is what it symbolizes: victory and revenge.


... and a finite solution to the immediate, observable problem, which only partially factors into victory. 

There's more to it beyond the primitive "Galaxy: F---k yeah!" connotations often ascribed to it.

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Yate wrote...

I find it interesting that almost everyone chose to destroy the collector base, when that gained you absolutely nothing except the satisfaction of flipping off both the reapers and TIM.

Destroy is the same way. Is it logically the best choice? No. It's strength is what it symbolizes: victory and revenge.


destroy is the best choice and you know it

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dreamgazer wrote...

Yate wrote...

Destroy is the same way. Is it logically the best choice? No. It's strength is what it symbolizes: victory and revenge.


... and a finite solution to the immediate, observable problem, which only partially factors into victory. 

There's more to it beyond the primitive "Galaxy: F---k yeah!" connotations often ascribed to it.


If you're talking about organics vs synthetics, the only person who believes that's a thing is the kid. The rest of the story has given me more than enough evidence to be confident that he's either wrong or lying.

Destroy is a vote for believing that we can all live together in peace, regardless of our differences, and if 100 years, 10,000 years, or 1 million years down the road it all goes to hell, so be it, we did our best, and we did it on our terms.

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Yate wrote...

I find it interesting that almost everyone chose to destroy the collector base, when that gained you absolutely nothing except the satisfaction of flipping off both the reapers and TIM.


That's not the way I see it. I destroyed the Collector base to try to keep a dangerous, unpredictable and thoroughly unethical technology out of the hands of a morally dubious human supremacist, who had already proved to be untrustworthy after using me as human bait to attract the Collectors.

The fact that TIM acquired the technology anyway does not invalidate Shepard's decision to destroy it. Particularly since TIM's obsessive hording of Reaper Tech worked out so well for him personally, and for the poor souls he turned into his personal army.

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It's funny how synthetics are targeted after you get a war asset that allows the crucible to pinpoint the exact locations all of the reapers.

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Epique Phael767 wrote...

It's funny how synthetics are targeted after you get a war asset that allows the crucible to pinpoint the exact locations all of the reapers.


And yet Control seems to target Reapers precisely. And Synthesis is able to do whatever the hell it does, and rearrange every lifeform in existance, seemingly without anybody winding up like the grusome results of that transporter accident in the first Star Trek movie.

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Eryri wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

It's funny how synthetics are targeted after you get a war asset that allows the crucible to pinpoint the exact locations all of the reapers.


And yet Control seems to target Reapers precisely. And Synthesis is able to do whatever the hell it does, and rearrange every lifeform in existance, seemingly without anybody winding up like the grusome results of that transporter accident in the first Star Trek movie.

...Or the accident in the Star Trek parody, Galaxy Quest.

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Epique Phael767 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

It's funny how synthetics are targeted after you get a war asset that allows the crucible to pinpoint the exact locations all of the reapers.


And yet Control seems to target Reapers precisely. And Synthesis is able to do whatever the hell it does, and rearrange every lifeform in existance, seemingly without anybody winding up like the grusome results of that transporter accident in the first Star Trek movie.

...Or the accident in the Star Trek parody, Galaxy Quest.


That's an awesome movie :lol:

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Epique Phael767 wrote...

...Or the accident in the Star Trek parody, Galaxy Quest.


... or without putting Mel Brookes' head on backwards.

@ Blur - yes it is:  "Whoever wrote this scene should die!" :lol:

Modifié par Eryri, 17 janvier 2013 - 05:23 .