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[Steelcan]

dreamgazer wrote...

What does a Reaper think in a post-synthesis world?

suckers.  Can't believe they fell for that

Modifié par Steelcan, 15 janvier 2013 - 02:03 .

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

What does a Reaper think in a post-synthesis world?

(reaper voice inside the reaper mind) all processes analyze that quarian female......DAT ASS.....


HOOOOOOOOOOOONK

[Wayning_Star]

dreamgazer wrote...

What does a Reaper think in a post-synthesis world?

What ever their cargo might think and what ever their friendly organic might think, as well. Heck even the Machine race might think so as well. Everyone can think what they want. Probably kind of hard to play poker, but worth the risks...maybe.

[Wayning_Star]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What does a Reaper think in a post-synthesis world?

(reaper voice inside the reaper mind) all processes analyze that quarian female......DAT ASS.....


HOOOOOOOOOOOONK

more like Beep Beep.. Until daddy takes that T bird away..etc.

[Volc19]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

- Kills synthetics; prevents synthetics from continuing their quest for personhood

Here's the thing about synthetics - seeing as they're, you know, synthetic, we can always -build- and -program- more. 
 

Saying that is the equivalent of saying killing organics is okay because someone could always birth some more of them.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What does a Reaper think in a post-synthesis world?

suckers.  Can't believe they fell for that

"A billion of years of harvests... and all we had to do was ask?!"

[Wayning_Star]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What does a Reaper think in a post-synthesis world?

suckers.  Can't believe they fell for that

"A billion of years of harvests... and all we had to do was ask attach the crucible?!"

fixed..kind of.

[BleedingUranium]

Volc19 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

- Kills synthetics; prevents synthetics from continuing their quest for personhood

Here's the thing about synthetics - seeing as they're, you know, synthetic, we can always -build- and -program- more.

Saying that is the equivalent of saying killing organics is okay because someone could always birth some more of them.

That's exactly what it is.

[thehomeworld]

That's like saying the trade in computer at gamestop is racist because it won't give a blackguy the better price over the white guy when infact it gives the same price for both regaurdless.

Destroy isn't anti anything it destroys reaper code and it does what the package says minus shep for plot armor it didn't care if it was reaper, geth, or thrall. Also the geth and EDI said they'd die to protect organics anyway so I don't see the issue here.

[Taboo]

Synthesis suggests that people can't get along unless they are similar progress wise.

Explain to me how that isn't Fascist?

I can use sensitive words too.

[Volc19]

thehomeworld wrote...

That's like saying the trade in computer at gamestop is racist because it won't give a blackguy the better price over the white guy when infact it gives the same price for both regaurdless.

Destroy isn't anti anything it destroys reaper code and it does what the package says minus shep for plot armor it didn't care if it was reaper, geth, or thrall. Also the geth and EDI said they'd die to protect organics anyway so I don't see the issue here.

[citation needed]

[Taboo]

Destroy targets all synthetics.

The atom bomb blew up everything.

The point is is that it kills PERIOD. It doesn't matter who. It simply DOES. That's what matters.

[Yakko77]

crimzontearz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

without the latter and taking the other two endings at face value it also has no upsides

Reapers live
Reapers enslaved
Reapers die
Reapers live (not an ending)

fixed, each ending resolves the conflict, we are not debating the how but the uosides and downsides

OK but only one of those is more or less acceptable given the goal of the game, DEFEAT the Reapers.  Collateral damage aside, Destroy was the goal and dead Reapers are the only good Reapers.

I didn't play roughly 90-100+ hours per save through 3 games to keep the bastards alive, enslaved or in any way shape or form NOT DEAD.  If the Geth and EDI have to die to bring that about... so be it.

[Yakko77]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Synthesis suggests that people can't get along unless they are similar progress wise.

Explain to me how that isn't Fascist?

I can use sensitive words too.

I often refer to the Synthesis ending as "Eugenics".  It's a stretch of sorts but is basically applicable I think.

[Wayning_Star]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Synthesis suggests that people can't get along unless they are similar progress wise.

Explain to me how that isn't Fascist?

I can use sensitive words too.

We're all human but we usually can disagree on what that actually means.

I think synthesis merely materializes the idea that agreement is what it is, and that is about it... Besides, humans, in general only aggravate with the situation they cannot understand becomes what controls them. Instead of the other way around.

IF we KNEW would we have to 'find out'?

[BleedingUranium]

crimzontearz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

without the latter and taking the other two endings at face value it also has no upsides

Reapers live
Reapers enslaved
Reapers die
Reapers live (not an ending)

fixed, each ending resolves the conflict, we are not debating the how but the uosides and downsides

You didn't fix it, you broke it.

Live, live, die, live is all I need to know to know what's right. Nothing more specific than that matters.

[Wayning_Star]

Yakko77 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Synthesis suggests that people can't get along unless they are similar progress wise.

Explain to me how that isn't Fascist?

I can use sensitive words too.

I often refer to the Synthesis ending as "Eugenics".  It's a stretch of sorts but is basically applicable I think.

Is falling down the stairs as a kid eugenics if you learn that falling is an important thing to know about?

it's an overstatement with little regards to the meaning and purpose of 'eugenics'. It's like calling 'planned parenthood' eugenics.

(I doubt the writers conceptualize it that way, they'd of not produced it for obvious reasons, in any event?)

[CosmicGnosis]

It just seems like such an utter waste to throw away the quarian-geth peace. Destroy only works for me if it's some kind of tragic irony. The synthetics are sacrificed to save the organics that hate them.

[fiendishchicken]

Why think of it in terms of synthetics and irony? They're dead. It's war. I don't feel much regret for their death. I don't think they would either. They joined up willingly, knowing that it was likely very possible that they'd all die anyway. The Reapers are gone. That's what matters. Their death made that possible.
Pick up and move on.

[CosmicGnosis]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Why think of it in terms of synthetics and irony? They're dead. It's war. I don't feel much regret for their death. I don't think they would either. They joined up willingly, knowing that it was likely very possible that they'd all die anyway. The Reapers are gone. That's what matters. Their death made that possible.
Pick up and move on.

I guess that's what makes us different. To me, the extinction of an entire domain of life that is feared and hated by a different domain of life is incredibly unfortunate.

[Mcfly616]

War is unfortunate....

[BleedingUranium]

Mcfly616 wrote...

War is unfortunate....

Exactly. The fact that it's synthetics that die is not what's important.

"Are you willing to make a sacrifice to ensure the destruction of the Reapers? Yes or no?"

That's the only question that matters.

[crimzontearz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

without the latter and taking the other two endings at face value it also has no upsides

Reapers live
Reapers enslaved
Reapers die
Reapers live (not an ending)

fixed, each ending resolves the conflict, we are not debating the how but the uosides and downsides

You didn't fix it, you broke it.

Live, live, die, live is all I need to know to know what's right. Nothing more specific than that matters.

to me it does

[CosmicGnosis]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

War is unfortunate....

Exactly. The fact that it's synthetics that die is not what's important.

"Are you willing to make a sacrifice to ensure the destruction of the Reapers? Yes or no?"

That's the only question that matters.

Well, I wouldn't choose Low-EMS Destroy. At some point, the sacrifice does become ridiculous.

[Jebel Krong]

considering destroy or refuse are the only choices that don't follow the wishes of any of the enemies the choice should be clear...

destroy: may/may not kill EDI/Geth (starchild says will kill shepard but high EMS disproves, so it's more than possible that EDI/Geth survive, with damage/losses).

control: what TIM wanted. enforced peace is not peace, reapers still effectively win, even with a new master, status quo unchanged.

synthesis: the magical mystery ending, how this even works is beyond me: how would anyone breed? Javik loses his suicidal tendencies and EDI suddenly becomes new-age or something - sounds like brainwashing garbage to me. plus it's ignoring one simple constant: species that stagnate (as a perfect utopia would) become extinct - why? because you need competition and limits to challenge and make you grow and develop - mordin says so back in ME1. and again it's what the reapers/starchild want, which is suspicious at best.

Plus anyway it's illogical to begin with: you can selectively control reapers, but not destroy them? you can magically meld synthetic/organic but not just destroy the reapers. what? computer says no, frankly.

personally i'm beginning to lean towards refuse, because potentially killing all the geth after what they went through still grates more than anything.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:04 .