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[NeroonWilliams]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Shepard becomes indoctrinated with Control and Synthesis

Destroy is the right choice

Refusal lets the galaxy perish

I personally shot The Being of Light and headcanoned the rest

My Shepard shot The Being Boy of Light in turn beating indoctrination, woke up, went to the Citadel for real, fought The Being of Light, Defeated him, The Being of Light's Life Energy spread across space destroying the Reapers once and for all damaging the Citadel, Shepard's crew rescues him from the Citadel, The Citadel is destroyed, Shepard and his crew barely escape, Shepard is reunited with everyone and is a hero and a legend, The F****** End.

Role Credits...........M4 Faunts, Suicide Mission Theme, Original Mass Effect Theme, Screen turns black

Trilogy Complete, Mission Complete, Thank You, Come Again

This thread is about the consequences of Control.  Not the relative merits of it or the other choices.  Feel free to move these comments to another thread.  Thank you.

[Loreshield]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 According to a leak of one of the initial scripts it appears so.

Catalyst: You may harness the energy. Use it to circumvent my control of the Reapers.

Shepard: Control? So the Illusive Man was right.

Catalyst: Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.

Shepard: And what happens to me?

Catalyst: You will subvert my existence. You will control the Reapers. You will continue to seek an answer to problem.

Very interesting. Have read all the script leaks, have forgotten about that one.

However, I don't think so. Would make it kind of pointless. Probably why they took it out.

But hey, who knows? Speculations, right?

[xAmilli0n]

My favorite ending is control, and in my headcanon, they eventually (way post-EC) lose control and restart the cycle. There is more to it, but thats the main idea.

Of course, thats just me, and the EC tends to suggest things are going fine.

[AlanC9]

munnellyladt wrote...

Maybe,maybe he will start to get the twisted logic of the catalyst,since he is no longer organic and probably only thinks with logic.

So the Catalyst is actually right, and it's only our squicky human feelings that keep us from seeing it?

[Norwood06]

I see it as complete change of directive. Reapers no longer need to preserve organic life but now ensure all have a voice in their future. And as Catalyst came up with insane solution because it's directive was impossible, I could see ShepCatalyst doing some extreme things.

EG: Leviathans control others, rob them of their voice. Therefore Leviathans must be destroyed. And those Salarians? 'uplifting' species as tools? Wouldn't end well.

But the need for reaping, of preservation of life, is over and done with AI-Shep. Critical mission reset.

Modifié par Norwood06, 14 janvier 2013 - 06:45 .

[Samtheman63]

AlanC9 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Shepard becomes indoctrinated with Control and Synthesis

Destroy is the right choice

Refusal lets the galaxy perish

I personally shot The Being of Light and headcanoned the rest....

So Destroy is the right choice except that it isn't?

yes

[fiendishchicken]

Yes I do believe that.

Destroy is really the only option to choose from a meta-game standpoint.

From a narrative, Refuse is the best.

[essarr71]

Sooner or later civilization is going to get tired of being told what to do. Sooner or later technology will progress to the point where Reapers wont dominate. What options does sheplyst have when control is going to be taken back?

Bowing out and seeing how things play out isnt a part of the job description.

It might looks fantastic at first, but make no mistake: control is not a lasting peace.

[Dr_Extrem]

sure .. if shep-ai deems it nesessary, it will do it.

the shep-ais mendate is to protect the many. but what happens, if the many become a threat to themselves?

[Red Panda]

essarr71 wrote...

Sooner or later civilization is going to get tired of being told what to do. Sooner or later technology will progress to the point where Reapers wont dominate. What options does sheplyst have when control is going to be taken back?

Bowing out and seeing how things play out isnt a part of the job description.

It might looks fantastic at first, but make no mistake: control is not a lasting peace.

Neither is any other choice. Conflict is inevitable. SInguularity or not, peace is an impossibility.

[essarr71]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Neither is any other choice. Conflict is inevitable. SInguularity or not, peace is an impossibility.

Hope no synthesis supporters saw this. 

Actually, that's a lie. I love reading synthesis supporters justify that nightmare of a utopia. 

[sites32]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. if shep-ai deems it nesessary, it will do it.

the shep-ais mendate is to protect the many. but what happens, if the many become a threat to themselves?

See that's what I think about the whole thing. In time shepAI will understand that every species biggest enemy is pretty much themeselves and in turn with loosing his or her humanity shep also looses its ability to feel compassion for organics and all of our issues. ShepAI will become as cold and calculating as any other machine.

[Samtheman63]

OperatingWookie wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Sooner or later civilization is going to get tired of being told what to do. Sooner or later technology will progress to the point where Reapers wont dominate. What options does sheplyst have when control is going to be taken back?

Bowing out and seeing how things play out isnt a part of the job description.

It might looks fantastic at first, but make no mistake: control is not a lasting peace.

Neither is any other choice. Conflict is inevitable. SInguularity or not, peace is an impossibility.

yep but conflict with reapers totally out of the equation is a damn sight better than conflict with them

its hard to imagine any war between organics, or between organics/synthetics would end up with all (well, "advanced") life in the galaxy being annhilated , not to mention the dead won't return in mega-death-robot form 50k years later to kill another trillion people

Modifié par Samtheman63, 14 janvier 2013 - 08:01 .

[evilgummybear]

With shepard in control anything is possible.
I mean the races will probably goto war with each other once again and whats to say shepards doesnt lose his humanity in time. With control shepard becomes the new reaper god, he will prob start the cycle again maybe not as evil as the previous star kid. Eh who knows anythings possible.

Either way i chose destroy over control. Let the galaxy determine its own fate is best. Plus my shepard deserves a happy ending with miranda and make blue babies with liara.

[Samtheman63]

evilgummybear wrote...

With shepard in control anything is possible.
I mean the races will probably goto war with each other once again and whats to say shepards doesnt lose his humanity in time. With control shepard becomes the new reaper god, he will prob start the cycle again maybe not as evil as the previous star kid. Eh who knows anythings possible.

Either way i chose destroy over control. Let the galaxy determine its own fate is best. Plus my shepard deserves a happy ending with miranda and make blue babies with liara.

shepard lost his humanity the moment he electricuted himself to death

[dreamgazer]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Neither is any other choice. Conflict is inevitable. SInguularity or not, peace is an impossibility.

Unless synthesis negates ambition and hubris, or manages to pacify in one way or another.

[Liamv2]

Nope but im sure someone will pull some fake "proof" from their ass

[Seival]

sitesunseen wrote...

Control ending. Do you think reapershep would eventually start a new cycle?

Cycled Harvests are valid solution. Even if you don't like it... Use the solution again or not - depends on who was your Shepard as a human.

Modifié par Seival, 14 janvier 2013 - 08:43 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

sitesunseen wrote...

Control ending. Do you think reapershep would eventually start a new cycle?

Cycled Harvests are valid solution. Even if you don't like it... Use the solution again or not - depends on who was your Shepard as a human.

The Catalyst says otherwise. 

[Dark_Caduceus]

LucasShark wrote...

I'm more concerned about the immediate galactic police state based purely on "rule of the many".

I love me some 1984, I guess the volus and hanar will be Mass Effect's proles?

[Han Shot First]

Maybe. Maybe not.

It is hard to say.

What I do know is that I wouldn't be willing to trust Catalyst 2.0 with that kind of power. Whatever that synthetic entity is, it isn't Shepard. Not truly.

The Reapers had billions of years running the galaxy. I think is time that the civilizations of the galaxy finally get a chance to determine their own fate, without being monitored and ruled over by some kind of synthetic monarch.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 14 janvier 2013 - 09:12 .

[IC-07]

Probability exists.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

sitesunseen wrote...

Control ending. Do you think reapershep would eventually start a new cycle?

Cycled Harvests are valid solution. Even if you don't like it... Use the solution again or not - depends on who was your Shepard as a human.

The Catalyst says otherwise. 

But the Catalyst with upgraded personality may have different point of view on the matter. The exact long-term outcome is unknown, which is one of the Control disadvantages.

Eventually, the new Catalyst will have to choose between the following options:
 - Apply Synthesis (my choice).
 - Restart Cycled Harvests.
 - Keep acting as a police force.
 - Go away and never come back.

[MegaSovereign]

No because that defeats the purpose of the ending..