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[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

sitesunseen wrote...

Control ending. Do you think reapershep would eventually start a new cycle?

Cycled Harvests are valid solution. Even if you don't like it... Use the solution again or not - depends on who was your Shepard as a human.

The Catalyst says otherwise. 

But the Catalyst with upgraded personality may have different point of view on the matter. The exact long-term outcome is unknown, which is one of the Control disadvantages.

Doesn't matter. The Catalyst says the harvests wont work anymore. 

Eventually, the new Catalyst will have to choose between the following options:
 - Apply Synthesis (my choice).

What's the point in choosing Control then? 

 - Restart Cycled Harvests.
 - Keep acting as a police force.
 - Go away and never come back.

Good idea. Let the galaxy forge its own path. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 janvier 2013 - 09:22 .

[JasonShepard]

Since I believe the entire point of the endings is "You decide what happens next"... No. After the first direct confrontation between Shepard and the fleets of the galaxy (which could easily be the first time a Reaper approached to just say something, considering the galaxy doesn't know what happened), Shepard removes the Reapers from the galaxy and proceeds to dismantle the Reaper fleet.

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

No because that defeats the purpose of the ending..

Disagree. Probability of restarting the Cycles makes Control ending really hard choice.

Will you restart the Cycles if you realize they are actually the most effective way of preserving the life? Even more effective than Synthesis?... Impossible? Or maybe not? It's so hard to say for sure.

...My answer is inevitable Synthesis. But this is my personal answer. Another Catalyst - another opinion.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

...Reservations? You already know the answer.

[Volc19]

The Shepalyst was created with the directive to end the cycle. Knowing the nature of the Catalyst, and how it isn't prone to degradation or deviation, I would doubt that it would start up the cycle again.

[Steelcan]

Or we could you know just ignore the Catalyst's flawed reasoning and just carry on.

My ControlShep isn't going to reinstate the cycles, or start synthesis. It will basically prevent any extinctions while the galaxy develops on its own. Whether that future leads to synthesis is another matter.

[dreamgazer]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Sure. Why not, right? We're working with a Rorschach test of an ending, and the components certainly empower you with that agency.

[Seival]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Sure. Why not, right? We're working with a Rorschach test of an ending, and the components certainly empower you with that agency.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Why is that better than just choosing Synthesis? 

...Reservations? You already know the answer.

You mean those things you dreamed up that aren't really reservations but are more prisons for the people who don't agree with the status quo? 

The answer would be, wow, I hope you never have any sort of power or authority over another life form, if you think putting people in ghettos is somehow morally profound and acceptible. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 janvier 2013 - 09:49 .

[dreamgazer]

Seival wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Sure. Why not, right? We're working with a Rorschach test of an ending, and the components certainly empower you with that agency.

Oh, right.  Thank you for the reminder. 

[MegaSovereign]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

No because that defeats the purpose of the ending..

Disagree. Probability of restarting the Cycles makes Control ending really hard choice.

Will you restart the Cycles if you realize they are actually the most effective way of preserving the life? Even more effective than Synthesis?... Impossible? Or maybe not? It's so hard to say for sure.

...My answer is inevitable Synthesis. But this is my personal answer. Another Catalyst - another opinion.

The harvest doesn't preserve life. Quit thinking like a synthetic.

Your posts are so annoyingly robotic. It use to be funny but please just stop.

[AresKeith]

I can't tell if Seival is trolling anymore

[Steelcan]

AresKeith wrote...

I can't tell if Seival is trolling anymore

. I think (s)he actually believes this

[Hazegurl]

I don't think either Paragon or Renegade Shep would follow the harvest cycle because he was not created for that. However, I do see both Paragon and Renegade Shep eventually wiping out any species they believe harms others too much. I don't know why ppl think Paragon Shep would be some noble figure for centuries on end when they sound so detached from themselves and humanity in the control ending. I honestly think the ME Universe will turn into that Twilight Zone episode where everyone in this small town had to be nice and smile all day or this little boy with powers would kill them.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Why is that better than just choosing Synthesis?

If you don't see the answer in what I already said, then pretend it's better for my own personal reasons which lie beyond your comprehension.

Modifié par Seival, 14 janvier 2013 - 10:00 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Why is that better than just choosing Synthesis?

If you don't see the answer in what I already said, then pretend it's better for my own personal reasons which lie beyond our comprehension.

You never gave any reasons. 

Other than because you can put people in ghettos, but you can't be serious when you say stupid stuff like that. 

[dreamgazer]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Why is that better than just choosing Synthesis?

If you don't see the answer in what I already said, then pretend it's better for my own personal reasons which lie beyond our comprehension.

You never gave any reasons. 

Other than because you can put people in ghettos, but you can't be serious when you say stupid stuff like that. 

It is beyond your comprehension, Mammoth.  Beyond.  Your.  Comprehension. 

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I can't tell if Seival is trolling anymore

. I think (s)he actually believes this

Which is scary and sad at the same time

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What's the point in choosing Control then?

It's quite simple - to apply Synthesis in much more effective manner, but later. My Catalyst has to study Synthesis mechanics more carefully to determine if it really better than Cycled Harvests. If better - then my Catalyst has to prepare galactic civilization, and only after that apply it.

Why is that better than just choosing Synthesis?

If you don't see the answer in what I already said, then pretend it's better for my own personal reasons which lie beyond our comprehension.

You never gave any reasons. 

Other than because you can put people in ghettos, but you can't be serious when you say stupid stuff like that. 

You've never seen Catalyst giving any reasons... Pitiful... No offense.

Modifié par Seival, 14 janvier 2013 - 10:07 .

[Robhuzz]

What for? The cycle serves no purpose other than to solve a problem that isn't there. There is simply no reason to start another cycle.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You never gave any reasons. 

Other than because you can put people in ghettos, but you can't be serious when you say stupid stuff like that. 

You've never seen Catalyst giving any reasons... Pitiful... No offense.

I've yet to see you give an actual reason as to why choosing Control and implementing Synthesis as the Shepalyst, is better than just choosing Synthesis.

I don't accept being able to put people who don't want to be Synthesized in ghettos because they don't accept the grand galactic dictator's point of view to be anywhere near an acceptible reason.

[BSpud]

Seival's posts are like the embodiment of the Synthesis EC ending itself; scary and unintentionally funny all at the same time.

[Iakus]

To answer the title's question:

Did the Leviathans expect the Catalyst to start the cycles in teh first place?

[JasonShepard]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You never gave any reasons. 

Other than because you can put people in ghettos, but you can't be serious when you say stupid stuff like that. 

You've never seen Catalyst giving any reasons... Pitiful... No offense.

I've yet to see you give an actual reason as to why choosing Control and implementing Synthesis as the Shepalyst, is better than just choosing Synthesis.

I don't accept being able to put people who don't want to be Synthesized in ghettos because they don't accept the grand galactic dictator's point of view to be anywhere near an acceptible reason.

It *is* a more cautious method - investigating Synthesis before using it. However, I would like to raise questions on how Seival intends to employ Synthesis. Force on the population? Or offer it as an option? "Upgrade yourself!", or something like that.

[dorktainian]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Seival's posts are like the embodiment of the Synthesis EC ending itself; scary and unintentionally funny all at the same time.