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[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
...Synthesis will be applied soon enough (relatively "soon enough" of course) after Control, so organics-vs-synthetics problem will not be able to rise to the full strength again.

And how would synthesis solve the organic vs organic conflicts that spring up every so often? Or hybrid group 1 vs hybrid group 2 in the post synthesis population?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 15 janvier 2013 - 12:42 .

[Omega2079]

The problem with central planners is that they always think they have the power, knowledge and ability to fix/maintain things. For all the time that the catalyst has searched and failed at a solution, it still thinks it can solve the problem. As solutions continue to fail, the inevitable conclusion of central planners is always more force, more planning, more control. It's demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of what it's trying to solve. While it talks about knowledge and understanding between organics and synthetics, it solutions always prevent that from happening. Swapping in another central planner won't change that. It's impossible to fix these problems through a centralized authority because it's antithetical to individuals having autonomy.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Seival, what would happen if a war were to break out in your control universe, and you couldn't finitely decide which side was "right"?

"If" it will happen? You mean, "when" it will happen, I believe. 

When it will happen, the war will be stopped as fast as it was started. For some noticable amount of time noone will keep fighting after a voiced promise to restart the Cycles if conflict will not be stopped immediately...

What. 

The. 

F*ck. 

...Synthesis will be applied soon enough (relatively "soon enough" of course) after Control, so organics-vs-synthetics problem will not be able to rise to the full strength again.

Until the non-synthesized people make synthetics. 

At least that's what will happen according to the old Catalyst. Not that anyone should pay attention to that moron. 

You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.

[BleedingUranium]

K2LU533 wrote...

Yes, I liken it to the one ring from Lord of the Rings, and specifically, this quote from Gandalf:

"I would use this ring from a desire to do good... But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine. "

Wow, I've always compared Control and the using the One Ring, but I never thought to use that line. That's perfect!

[Dragoonlordz]

Pinkflu wrote...

Yeah. I rejected Control for this very reason. No-one is supposed to have the power to play 'God'. Not the Reapers, not the bratalyst, and not Shepard. Strong as she is, it would only be a matter of time before the last remnants of her humanity ebb away.

Prior to picking control the council played that role of god over all others. In war the victor plays that role. Your parents play that role until your big enough or old enough to leave. The police, the army or your government all play that role. I picked control and in my story, my ending, my Shepard continued to remain in control of himself but chose to let the council continue to run the galaxy and aided them when asked for help just like he did when he was a human spectre.

People here seem to be confusing what they think will happen to their Shepard means would happen to any Shepard and I am sorry but that is simply not the case. The way the game ended allowed each and every player who picked endings such as control the right to decide what happened with their Shepard past the slides at the end for the future. It will not be until the next game that may change but even then it's nothing more than an assumption will even be mentioned.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:14 .

[crimzontearz]

uhm.......good call

depends really

[sites32]

[quote]Seival wrote..

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You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.
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Yeah sounds like such a opressive and depressing excistance to me, and this is a good example of why control will never work period. 

Destroy every time. 

[BleedingUranium]

sitesunseen wrote...

Seival wrote..

You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.

Yeah sounds like such a opressive and depressing excistance to me, and this is a good example of why control will never work period. 

Destroy every time.

Exactly. People seem to forget that making synthetics was already illegal anyway, and plenty still did. "Applying Synthesis" would result in either mass suicide or large scale war. The only way around that would be if Synthesis caused brainwashing.

[Funkdrspot]

No, because catalyst shep has an existence to fall back on and give his decisions some perspective.

Renegade shep would probably be more human centric
Paragon shep would probably step back and help innocents.

[thehomeworld]

Considering how shep argued with TIM that using the reaprs was too unpredictable and wrong then reapershep says shep knew he needed to become something greater to defeat us I think they've already started because shep didn't want to control them only after doing so is he suddently switched in mindset reaper shep should've said I reconsidered what tim proposed and thought I should try it and so I'm gonna be space cop forever!

[thehomeworld]

Funkdrspot wrote...

No, because catalyst shep has an existence to fall back on and give his decisions some perspective.

Renegade shep would probably be more human centric
Paragon shep would probably step back and help innocents.

Shep looking back at his past experiances didn't do anything when he was in 3. He forgot to tell everyone about Lev when he found him and how it could control him for its own agenda or that it can be used to fry all the reapers in their path to the beam, he forgot fleets or cains kill reapers not makos, missles, and manpower, he didn't warn anyone like say Hackett that he was a walking liability due to his reaper tech and his hackability, really shep seemed incapable of using his past knowledge to help him when he was alive so reapershep would have a similar fail.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:56 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Epilogue says no...

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Yes. Anyone will go insane in being alone and trapped. I am sure of it the Shepard will lose it and start the **** throwing again. Synthesis is destroy with the Reapers alive.

Destroy, it's the right choice if you want the galaxy and yourself to survive, because the Geth and Joker's sexdoll can always be rebuilt.

[Wayning_Star]

ME 4,Limited scope edition...(cannot see the forest for all the trees

[Aaleel]

Even if it's not a new cycle. It's also about Shepard/New Catalyst saying I know what's good for everyone, and having the reapers as it's enforcers to put whatever measures it feels are warranted in place for the good of the many,

[Ghats212]

The reason I see control as the wrong decision in my opinion is that the reapers don't have an expiration date or estimated time of death. If the reaper Shepard continues on forever, then it is inevitable that every possible decision will eventually occur, and the odds increase that eventually, at some point, he or she would reinitiate the cycle. It may be centuries down the line, maybe trillions of centuries for all we know, but statistically it would have to happen at some point

[Gewehr_fr]

If the Shepard AI comes to the same conclusions as the previous AI, yes it's a probability.

But assuming your Shepard cared about organic life and wasn't a sociopath (which is certainly the case for most Shepards); the newly created AI will take this into account and thus likely never come to a solution which requires the genocide of all the advanced races of the galaxy.

Lots of suppositions, which is partly why destroying the reapers is a much better choice, to me.

Modifié par Gewehr_fr, 15 janvier 2013 - 04:27 .

[breakdown71289]

Gewehr_fr wrote...

But assuming your Shepard cared about organic life and wasn't a sociopath (which is certainly the case for most Shepards); the newly created AI will take this into account and thus likely never come to a solution which requires the genocide of all the advanced races of the galaxy.

This is pretty much what i chose to believe for my ending, so i'm sticking with it.

[d-boy15]

everything can be possible if you use speculation and head-canon...

and those included in ME3 ending.

[BleedingUranium]

Gewehr_fr wrote...

If the Shepard AI comes to the same conclusions as the previous AI, yes it's a probability.

But assuming your Shepard cared about organic life and wasn't a sociopath (which is certainly the case for most Shepards); the newly created AI will take this into account and thus likely never come to a solution which requires the genocide of all the advanced races of the galaxy.

Lots of suppositions, which is partly why destroying the reapers is a much better choice, to me.

My personality matrix can predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well the problem is still there. The mandate is still there.

Organics will produce synthetics. You can take away the synthetics, but organics will simply produce more synthetics, except more advanced the next time. So you take those away.

Well... this isn't working.

Hmmm.... well let's see we can indoctrinate everyone. Hmmm... that's a lot of people! It's like eating soup with a fork, and they keep making more soup.

Hmmm.... well let's see... we can ... I know... leave blue prints for a device to clamp onto the citadel that does synthesis. That solves the problem. And if they don't want to do this I'll just harvest all of them like the kid did.

[HiddenInWar]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival, don't try to sugarcoat it. You'd indoctrinate everyone if you the chance.

...As for indoctrination itself - this ability can be used for good purposes. It can be used to inspire people instead of dominating them.

[BleedingUranium]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival, don't try to sugarcoat it. You'd indoctrinate everyone if you the chance.

...As for indoctrination itself - this ability can be used for good purposes. It can be used to inspire people instead of dominating them.

My thoughts exactly.

[StarcloudSWG]

 Here's a bit of dialog I came across.

After you find Cerberus' base, and you say you're going to wait, you have the opportunity to talk to Hackett again and ask about Cerberus.

This is what Hackett had to say.

"Trying to control the Reapers is like trying to tame a shark. Somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it could be the whole galaxy."

He follows up with "Kill the Illusive Man. That's an order."

So there you have it.

[BleedingUranium]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

 Here's a bit of dialog I came across.

After you find Cerberus' base, and you say you're going to wait, you have the opportunity to talk to Hackett again and ask about Cerberus.

This is what Hackett had to say.

"Trying to control the Reapers is like trying to tame a shark. Somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it could be the whole galaxy."

He follows up with "Kill the Illusive Man. That's an order."

So there you have it.

I love that quote, it's perfect.

Also, not only is it most likely the last thing you'll hear before starting the endgame, but it's also very easy to miss, so the people who pay attention will get it.