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[Eterna]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

 Here's a bit of dialog I came across.

After you find Cerberus' base, and you say you're going to wait, you have the opportunity to talk to Hackett again and ask about Cerberus.

This is what Hackett had to say.

"Trying to control the Reapers is like trying to tame a shark. Somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it could be the whole galaxy."

He follows up with "Kill the Illusive Man. That's an order."

So there you have it.

Cleary Hackett is a god like figure who has all knowledge of the Reapers.

[BleedingUranium]

Eterna5 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

 Here's a bit of dialog I came across.

After you find Cerberus' base, and you say you're going to wait, you have the opportunity to talk to Hackett again and ask about Cerberus.

This is what Hackett had to say.

"Trying to control the Reapers is like trying to tame a shark. Somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it could be the whole galaxy."

He follows up with "Kill the Illusive Man. That's an order."

So there you have it.

Cleary Hackett is a god like figure who has all knowledge of the Reapers.

Reaper indoctrination... ...betraying friends, trusting enemies...

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.

Not only did you just admit you'd be perfectly okay with being a galactic dictator, you also admitted Synthesis is nothing but brainwashing in some fancy sugar coated words to make it sound less horrific. 

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

There is no doubt in my mind that yes the new Shepard Catalyst hybrid AI would swing around to that conclusion again.

[Indy_S]

Given how many people on BSN come to the wrong conclusion about a lot of things, Shepard probably would too, eventually. And since Shepard at this point would be God-King-Emperor-Arbitrator-Judge-Jury-Executioner-Wookie-Dictator, the consequences would be pretty massive. It might even lead to another ridiculous cycle in which the nonexistent problem is never actually solved.

[Kataphrut94]

What reason does the Shepard-AI have to start another cycle? Unlike his predecessor, he hasn't been instructed to solve an unsolveable problem and he's already closed the book on most aspects of his old life. The fact that his very first act as Grand Enperor of the Galaxy is use the Reapers to clean up the mess they made, reconstruct the Relays and generally act as a benevolent force should illustrate that he still has the best interests of the galactic community at heart.

What could possibly happen to change that? And none of this "ooh power corrupts" nonsense, an artificial intelligence would not have those sort of drives. Not to mention that this particular one has no adequate reason to exterminate all advanced organic life over a cyclical period of 50'000 years in order to find a solution to a problem that his human self already solved.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 15 janvier 2013 - 11:43 .

[BleedingUranium]

Every single case of attempted control in Mass Effect, not just of the Reapers, every single one has ended in failure. What makes you think it would work now? Because the leader of the Reapers told you you can control the Reapers? There's a word for that, it's "indoctrination".

[Zaalbar]

There is no clear anwser to this one. It comes down to each and everyones own interpretation. I personally believe that my ReaperShep would not begin a new cycle or at least he`d find a solution that doesn`t involve the destruction and harvesting of all galactic species.

At the end of the day its your Shepard, if you believe your Shepard will eventualy start another cycle of destruction then picking Control is probably a bad idea.

[KevShep]

Shep will not be human anymore so his logic ability is going to be the same as the catalysts.

Keep in mind that the catalyst hardware is different then EDI's hardware. The catalysts CANT think like EDI can.

Yes...Shep will have a good chance at starting a new set of cycles.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.

Not only did you just admit you'd be perfectly okay with being a galactic dictator, you also admitted Synthesis is nothing but brainwashing in some fancy sugar coated words to make it sound less horrific. 

Nothing like that.

(1) "Do not break rules, or you will be punished" - is not a dictatorship.
(2) "You will be under constant punishment, so you will never break rules" - this is dictatorship.

My Controlled Synthesis idea is built around option #1. Option #2 is for the new Catalyst based on Renegade Shepard's personality, and this option is also valid by the way.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.

Not only did you just admit you'd be perfectly okay with being a galactic dictator, you also admitted Synthesis is nothing but brainwashing in some fancy sugar coated words to make it sound less horrific. 

Nothing like that.

(1) "Do not break rules, or you will be punished" - is not a dictatorship. 
(2) "You will be under constant punishment, so you will never break rules" - this is dictatorship.

My Controlled Synthesis idea is built around option #1. Option #2 is for the new Catalyst based on Renegade Shepard's personality, and this option is also valid by the way.

You're a singular entity, with no accountability and absolute power, imposing rules you think are right on all those beneath you, using force no one can resist to punish those you step out of line.

Neither of your two points are accurate.

First, number two does not accurately describe a dictatorship. 

Second, your first point is inaccurate because you fail to mention that the one creating the rules is you, and the one enforcing them, is again, you. No restrictions, no one to hold the Shepalyst accountable if it does something bad, just a single ruler with complete power of everyone and everything, deciding what's best.

That will not end well. 

[LilyasAvalon]

Yes.

It's undeniable that as time would go on, after all of Shepard's family, friends and comrades had passed on. The more the new AI lives, the more the old Shepard would eventually die.

They'd see the chaos, the corruption, the inevitable of the Universe. I have no problem imagining it starting the cycle again.

[RukiaKuchki]

DinoSteve wrote...

There is no doubt in my mind that yes the new Shepard Catalyst hybrid AI would swing around to that conclusion again.

Agree. Things will be ok for a while - while the Reapers are helping to rebuild. But surely all of the Galactic races are going to be very nervous about these huge ships that were recently attempting to kill them all just hanging around, keeping an eye on them, 'fixing' technology, maintaining 'peace'...  I think it's inevitable that conflict of some kind will re-start, no one likes to be told what to do or how to be, no one wants to live in a gilded cage. So at some point, the Shepard Catalyst will to have control that dissent. And how will it do that? I would guess not by reason, but by force.

[Eterna]

How on earth do people come up with such an asinine conclusion that the Shepalyst will restart the cycle based on no evidence? Like at all?

Humans are alive and well in the Stargazer scene so I really don't get how they can come to such a conclusion.

[xsdob]

Not in my canon he doesn't. Other peoples, I'm not so sure, it would be up to them to decide their own stories temporary end.

[dreamgazer]

Eterna5 wrote...

How on earth do people come up with such an asinine conclusion that the Shepalyst will restart the cycle based on no evidence? Like at all?

Humans are alive and well in the Stargazer scene so I really don't get how they can come to such a conclusion.

Are those humans?

[DirtyPhoenix]

xsdob wrote...

Not in my canon he doesn't. Other peoples, I'm not so sure, it would be up to them to decide their own stories temporary end.

[Eterna]

dreamgazer wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

How on earth do people come up with such an asinine conclusion that the Shepalyst will restart the cycle based on no evidence? Like at all?

Humans are alive and well in the Stargazer scene so I really don't get how they can come to such a conclusion.

Are those humans?

I would assume so. 

[Liamv2]

pirate1802 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Not in my canon he doesn't. Other peoples, I'm not so sure, it would be up to them to decide their own stories temporary end.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

You should understand that non-synthesized people will not be allowed to create synthetics. The punishment for breaking this rule will obviously be applying Synthesis in non-synthesized cluster without more than one warning to reconsider. 

Everything is under control, don't worry.

Not only did you just admit you'd be perfectly okay with being a galactic dictator, you also admitted Synthesis is nothing but brainwashing in some fancy sugar coated words to make it sound less horrific. 

Nothing like that.

(1) "Do not break rules, or you will be punished" - is not a dictatorship. 
(2) "You will be under constant punishment, so you will never break rules" - this is dictatorship.

My Controlled Synthesis idea is built around option #1. Option #2 is for the new Catalyst based on Renegade Shepard's personality, and this option is also valid by the way.

You're a singular entity, with no accountability and absolute power, imposing rules you think are right on all those beneath you, using force no one can resist to punish those you step out of line.

Neither of your two points are accurate.

First, number two does not accurately describe a dictatorship. 

Second, your first point is inaccurate because you fail to mention that the one creating the rules is you, and the one enforcing them, is again, you. No restrictions, no one to hold the Shepalyst accountable if it does something bad, just a single ruler with complete power of everyone and everything, deciding what's best.

That will not end well. 

Since in modern society dictatorship became a negative-only description of using power, both my points are accurate nowadays. It doesn't matter if it's just a single ruler or an organization anymore. People already have a stereotype "dictator=evil", "dictatorship=evil". Do you think anyone on BSN will understand me, if I'll say "dictatorship=good"?

The two points remain. The first one for Catalyst based on Paragon Shepard, and the second one for Catalyst based on Renegade Shepard. Both are valid, but I prefer the first one.

Modifié par Seival, 16 janvier 2013 - 10:22 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Eterna5 wrote...

How on earth do people come up with such an asinine conclusion that the Shepalyst will restart the cycle based on no evidence? Like at all?

Humans are alive and well in the Stargazer scene so I really don't get how they can come to such a conclusion.

Considering Shepard's memories and thoughts on the Reapers are still intact, I'm inclined to agree. It wouldn't make sesne for him to start the cycle over again. And remember, it wasn't the reapers who started the cycle. It was the intelligence created by the Leviathans.

[shodiswe]

Not a new cycle... Though who knows what else might happen, especialy with the more Renegade ones.

[IIEquillibriumII]

[/quote]

Since in modern society dictatorship became a negative-only description of using power, both my points are accurate nowadays. It doesn't matter if it's just a single ruler or an organization anymore. People already have a stereotype "dictator=evil", "dictatorship=evil". Do you think anyone on BSN will understand me, if I'll say "dictatorship=good"?

The two points remain. The first one for Catalyst based on Paragon Shepard, and the second one for Catalyst based on Renegade Shepard. Both are valid, but I prefer the first one.[/quote]
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The idea behind dictator ship ain't horrible, its just that people with power like that, have eventually lost their minds (most of the time) and as far as i know, Shepard is still human, so why on earth would that not count for him/her aswell? 

Modifié par IIEquillibriumII, 18 janvier 2013 - 10:08 .

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

How on earth do people come up with such an asinine conclusion that the Shepalyst will restart the cycle based on no evidence? Like at all?

Humans are alive and well in the Stargazer scene so I really don't get how they can come to such a conclusion.

Are those humans?

I would assume so. 

Oh, the irony

[Jassu1979]

It does not matter much whether Shepard re-starts the cycle of destruction or not.

She's already become an immortal god-emperor, and the implications of that are truly horrifying - even if it's Paragon Shepard and her Galactic Policeman-vibe we are talking about.