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[Renmiri1]

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp


The average gamer is 30 years old and has been playing for 12 years. Sixty-eight percent of gamers are 18 years of age or older.

Forty-seven percent of all players are women, and women over 18 years of age are one of the industry's fastest growing demographics.

Today, adult women represent a greater portion of the game-playing population (30 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).



Methinks taking romance out is a move towards low sales  The "eww romace is yucky" crowd is now only 18% of gamers

Modifié par Renmiri1, 16 janvier 2013 - 10:09 .

[xxEvenstarxx]

Emzamination wrote...

Adding different types of romance:  romances where your
partner cheats on you, romances where the character is already involved
in another relationship

Gimme, Gaider.

THIS

[Sylvanpyxie]

Well I think David Gaider talked about Thane but he himself made a half arsed LI "just because" on DA2 with Sebastian.

I have never, in all my years, seen someone miss a point so completely and utterly. You practically ended up in China.

Sebastian isn't an example of what would happen without romantic filler. Sebastian is an example of what happens when you release a DLC Character with half the available content for all branches of relationship - be it friendship, rivalry or romance - and place it along side completely finished and totally refined core characters.

Romance can be done without the needless romantic filler that Bioware has been pumping into their more modern games. They've proven this with their older games, though admittedly Baldur's Gate 2 is still guilty of this sin (yes Aerie, i'm looking at you).

Of course, the expectations of Players have now become so completely cumbersome to the concept of actual characterization that I don't expect the romantic filler to be excluded, not even for a single romantic arc, simply out of fear that people will be unable to fulfill their romantic fantasies.

No offense or anything, but my perception of characters becomes increasingly unflattering as I come face to face with more horrific topics of "romantic content" - Though I suppose Dragon Age 2 largely avoided poor taste filler topics like virginity and sexual history, so I should try to be thankful for that.

Like I said though - It's different strokes for different folks. People might enjoy the more shallow, light-hearted topics of discussion with their potential Love Interests, but I personally don't.

[Renmiri1]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

Well I think David Gaider talked about Thane but he himself made a half arsed LI "just because" on DA2 with Sebastian.

I have never, in all my years, seen someone miss a point so completely and utterly. You practically ended up in China.

Sebastian isn't an example of what would happen without romantic filler. Sebastian is an example of what happens when you release a DLC Character with half the available content for all branches of relationship - be it friendship, rivalry or romance - and place it along side completely finished and totally refined core characters..

Actually my comparing Sebastian to Thane was to make that exact point. Adding a few lines here and there doesn't make a "person". All Sebastian had was the fluff and none of the depth got explored, only hinted at. He should never have been made an LI

[Sylvanpyxie]

All Sebastian had was the fluff and none of the depth got explored, only hinted at.

Sebastian's complete lack of content and sheer emptiness of character isn't really relative to the point I was trying to make about romantic filler, so I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say...

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 16 janvier 2013 - 11:06 .

[Renmiri1]

Sebastian's content is just 100% filler that is why he feels empty.

BTW, I thought you were a Sebastian fan, must have confused you with someone else on BW, my apologies

[Sylvanpyxie]

Sebastian's content is just 100% filler that is why he feels empty.

Sebastian has no content, that's why he's empty. But if you feel it's because he's entirely filler, you have to consider my original point - Too much romantic filler is a tad unnecessary and could easily be excluded for the sake of more meaningful interactions.

BTW, I thought you were a Sebastian fan

It's a complicated relationship.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 16 janvier 2013 - 11:18 .

[Renmiri1]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

Sebastian's content is just 100% filler that is why he feels empty.

Sebastian has no content, that's why he's empty. But if you feel it's because he's entirely filler, you have to consider my original point - Too much romantic filler is a tad unnecessary and could easily be excluded for the sake of more meaningful interactions.

Agreed, but I much rather have more silly fluff like comedy banter and romance fluff than more of the same dungeon for the 5th time 

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

BTW, I thought you were a Sebastian fan

It's a complicated relationship.

Oh it was you! Np wonder you are grumpy abut BW romances!   

[rapscallioness]

Loading_Ammo wrote...

Considering Gaider doesn't like romance,i think he did a great job with Alistair and Morrigan.

I think maybe he doesn't like to admit it. The Feels!

That said, hey, I'm all for it. If the LI cheats, so be it. Just don't leave my PC in Derp mode. Let me have revenge sex. Or slap them. Or something. What's good for the NPC, is good for the PC, no?
 

[Sylvanpyxie]

No wonder you are grumpy about BW romances!

Honestly, if he had been a fully fledged character I probably wouldn't like him as much as I do. It's Sebastian's lack of content that I like - It's my curiosity that makes me so much of a "fan".

Agreed, but I much rather have more silly fluff like comedy banter and romance fluff than more of the same dungeon for the 5th time

I'm not talking about removing it for the sake of more game-content. I'm talking about removing it for the sake of more character content, something deeper and more vital than a discussion about virginity or past lovers.

I would, personally, rather see more conversations about a character's history, their opinions, their beliefs and their hopes/aspirations. I prefer conversations that help me to understand who they are and what I should expect from them. That doesn't mean that I want romance removed, I just want it to feel less like fantasy wish-fulfillment and more like a blossoming relationship between two individuals.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 16 janvier 2013 - 11:41 .

[rapscallioness]

I would like more get to know you convo. Not just as LI's, but as companions. I would like them to open up more slowly. Thru convo, and experiences you share.

Then maybe the romance part could kick in. If you wish.

[Darth Krytie]

I really like the idea of having more in depth relationships with my companions, but not necessarily sexual ones. It's one of things I really liked about ME3 is that even if you weren't dating a companion, you could develop a closer friendship.

I don't want all characters available to me in a relationship and I would welcome more diverse romances, too. Like...if you flirt too much with other people, your romance might dump you. Or if you don't pay enough attention to your romance, they might cheat on you.

That'd be interesting.

[MoMan313]

what?

oh YES.
YES GAIDER
PLEASE
PLEASE
PLEASE

"Adding an element of failure, for instance, or by having not all characters be available to all player characters (they're attracted only to certain types, for instance). Adding different types of romance: tragic romances, romances where your partner cheats on you, romances where the character is already involved in another relationship, characters that don't know how to relate to someone else on a romantic level or aren't interested in such"

/remembers how barely romanced Sebastian XDDD

and  Show the players we aren't the only ones that are allowed to back stab!
WAHAH can you imagine?!

And oohhh break them up with the current one in their romance!
/remembers Fable 3.

...what? Elliot was the only npc there that had CHARACTER.

""It needn't all be unhappy, of course, but were I to cross the threshold of making all followers possible to romance I'd at least want to change the approach into something more plausible."

I EMPLORE you to do this!

AMG!

and this..
just. THIS.
Varric? Sten? Aveline?
Ya know THOSE brilliant characters you couldn't even TOUCH?

Aveline didn't even look at you while you tried to sweep her off her feet...
I WANT THEM ALL.
Especially sten! xD


Also, On the side.

Bioware, baby, please make a rpg dating sim.
That, I would pay through the nose.

Modifié par MoMan313, 17 janvier 2013 - 03:19 .

[MoMan313]

Also, tragic romance, like choosing between helping civilians or your loved one that's been kidnapped.

*gets chills* oooohh pulls a spiderman.

ya hear that gaider? ;3 Theres an idea for you and your tragic romance >w<

....This.. is going to bite me in the ass and make the whole other bioware fans hate me eh? XD;
..le poo.

[legbamel]

I love the idea of all companions being romanceable but only under certain circumstances/with certain PC types. It would be fantastic to have your plot decisions affect your LI's feelings for you and dialogues with other people influence whether they stayed with you, left you, or told the local news rag about your brothel obsession and took up with Wade and Herren.

[Darth Vaber]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

You know, David Gaider's blog post made me feel queasy. *snip*

This actually makes me feel better. Maybe if there were more romances where these characters ripped player's hearts out, then there would be less rabid demands from the fans for all kinds of romance content and Bioware can begin to retire from the role of Virtual Pimps. 

Fast Jimmy wrote...
*snip*
EDIT: And on that note, I take my leave of this thread. Best of luck in all future endeavors, fellow BSNites. 

 

Fast Jimmy funny i thought you said you were taking your leave ..just had t o come  back to ____ some more eh?


Kia Purity i agree with you  his post made me sick as well. If  bioware took out  the barley adequte amout of romance there games would most likely not be worth time or money a good  example of that is skyrim .. somthing i to this day havnt wasted any time or money on.

Can't you like... go out and meet people or something?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

For a change they should make a game with good strong characters and have no romance.

[Kia Purity]

I mean queasy in the sense that I've already seen relationship drama like this crap in real life and I would much prefer to keep it out of the games. But if they feel that there needs to be that kind of variety, I'd rather not deal with it, thanks.

From a writing view, I can see why it'd be for a good story, but if a person got invested in the character enough only in the end that they got cheated on -- what investment is there for that player anymore? There were a lot of people who really really really wanted to punish Jacob or his girlfriend-- and by the extra "really"s, I am not kidding.

Extreme? But do you know if those people actually had been cheated on in some point in the past for them to happen to them like that in game is akin to opening a old wound.

(Can be easily dismissed but you're not that person who was hurt so you can't really do something silly like this.)

I do agree that romances shouldn't simply be "gotta bang 'em all" or "let's give the female player a lot of lesbian romances"...

Friendships, I am so totally on board with, but Bioware doesn't seem to utilize friendships too well without accidentally setting off a romance flag. Had to punt Liara in ME1 for doing that to me when I WOULD BE LIKE TO BE FRIENDS, IS THAT SO WRONG. Just because I'm nice to you doesn't mean I want to get into your pants. >:|

...you know, at this point, it's probably better just not to talk to anyone anymore. Aarrrgh

[Stella-Arc]

 I support Gaider.  Yes, please.

While the romances in DA2 felt like they were only half finished, I still like the varieties with each. Anders was tragic, Fenris was...I don't know what it was but I still intrigued....Merril was adorable but had a bit of darkness...Isabella....well, she's Isabella...Aveline is completely oblivious to you...and Sebastian...Bethany can have him and all of his charm. All had potential but had fallen short. 

I can only imgaine what it would have been like if they had all made it to the finish line. However, their development as characters traveled much farther which was a comfort even if at certain times I felt like grabing a wallop mallet and hitting them on the head with it. 

I love the romance in Bioware games. It's one of the things I love about their games. To answer the OP's question, my answer is this:

I want more depth to the romance, the good and the bad. 

Modifié par Stella-Arc, 17 janvier 2013 - 04:56 .

[Yuqi]

Renmiri1 wrote...

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp


The average gamer is 30 years old and has been playing for 12 years. Sixty-eight percent of gamers are 18 years of age or older.

Forty-seven percent of all players are women, and women over 18 years of age are one of the industry's fastest growing demographics.

Today, adult women represent a greater portion of the game-playing population (30 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).



Methinks taking romance out is a move towards low sales  The "eww romace is yucky" crowd is now only 18% of gamers

Meh, in AU adult woman make up  53% of the market.

I want to see more NPCxNPC romance.

Modifié par Yuqi, 17 janvier 2013 - 05:08 .

[The Hierophant]

DinoSteve wrote...

For a change they should make a game with good strong characters and have no romance.

After playing Fallout New Vegas i think  it's possible, but the romance tards will riot.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

The Hierophant wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

For a change they should make a game with good strong characters and have no romance.

After playing Fallout New Vegas i think  it's possible, but the romance tards will riot.

It would be nice for a change to have characters react to each other not as possible love interests but as friends and have bonds grow out of friendship. Its time Bioware shook things up.

Varric is easily the best character in Dragon Age 2 and guess what you can't romance him.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 17 janvier 2013 - 07:20 .

[Mantaal]

Well for me it seems the "Gimmie moar romance!!" peoples are 1. Womans who want a The sims game but endet up on RPGs somehow and 17 years old Kids never had a Girlfirend and need an replacement and think "Awwww why cant Real Girls be like that?? I just say -Hi im Hawke- and the Girls and Boys say -Oh you are sooo awsome! plase take me Hairy guy! -"

[Daerog]

Mantaal wrote...

Well for me it seems the "Gimmie moar romance!!" peoples are 1. Womans who want a The sims game but endet up on RPGs somehow and 17 years old Kids never had a Girlfirend and need an replacement and think "Awwww why cant Real Girls be like that?? I just say -Hi im Hawke- and the Girls and Boys say -Oh you are sooo awsome! plase take me Hairy guy! -"

Right... I bet you found a survey to give you that data and didn't just pull it out of thin air because you disagree with people who like romance in a story, since I don't see how this can come across from forum posts unless you have some presupposed notions on women and young adults which caused you to jump into a hasty and ill-formed conclusion.

Romance is fine, I agree with strong characters, don't see the point in removing romance options unless BW wishes to focus in other matters and unable to implement it. This is a story, drama adds depth to a story, romance is a quick way to add drama, not necessary for a drama but  BW is known to include some romance option in its games.

[Mantaal]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Well for me it seems the "Gimmie moar romance!!" peoples are 1. Womans who want a The sims game but endet up on RPGs somehow and 17 years old Kids never had a Girlfirend and need an replacement and think "Awwww why cant Real Girls be like that?? I just say -Hi im Hawke- and the Girls and Boys say -Oh you are sooo awsome! plase take me Hairy guy! -"

Right... I bet you found a survey to give you that data and didn't just pull it out of thin air because you disagree with people who like romance in a story, since I don't see how this can come across from forum posts unless you have some presupposed notions on women and young adults which caused you to jump into a hasty and ill-formed conclusion.

Romance is fine, I agree with strong characters, don't see the point in removing romance options unless BW wishes to focus in other matters and unable to implement it. This is a story, drama adds depth to a story, romance is a quick way to add drama, not necessary for a drama but  BW is known to include some romance option in its games.

Sure i did pull it out of thin air.. i never said anything different. And it wasnt very serious at all if you didnt noticed

Im not against Romances in Videogames. If they are more then -klick some conversation 2 times and have sex- like it was in DA2 more or less.