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[Cerbrus operative]

When Shepard asks The Catalyst why is he helping him, The Catalyst say that Shepard altered the variables.
Does anybody have any idea what those "variables" are and how Shepard altered them?

"I don't mind speculative answers to this question"

[Jadebaby]

That a change is initble...

It's Ineviti-evitable.

[jstme]

First organic to get this close to Catalyst since leviathanians .Though Catalyst helps to achieve it so...)
First successful docking of giant ,ehm, microphone with unknown function to the citadel. Though Catalyst knows about Crucible at least for few hundred thousand years.
There.

[crimzontearz]

not sure

and apparently we are not meant to know

[GreyLycanTrope]

Well, when a Catalyst and Crucible love each other very much...

[OdanUrr]

'x' and 'y'.

[spirosz]

Diana.

Allers.

[crimzontearz]

OdanUrr wrote...

'x' and 'y'.

and z

[JasonShepard]

The Catalyst appears to no longer have absolute control over the Reapers, since they will still destroy the Crucible if you hang around too long, despite the fact that the Catalyst wants you to use the Crucible. Interestingly, this could explain why the Catalyst is unable to just be told "If you don't like your solution any more, then take your Reapers and just go." since, well, it can't. But yeah, I'd suggest that at least one variable was the Catalyst's measure of control, altered by (presumably) the Crucible.

As for other so-called variables - it has just been demonstrated to the Catalyst that something as big as the Crucible designs managed to slip through the cracks of multiple cycles. That's got to count for something. I'd even go so far as to say that it just demonstrated that the cycle-solution wasn't perfect...

Modifié par JasonShepard, 15 janvier 2013 - 01:05 .

[OdanUrr]

crimzontearz wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

'x' and 'y'.

and z

I play 2D.

[Iakus]

You would not know them

And there is no time to explain

[Knubbsal]

I remember the Catalyst saying the Crucible opened up new possibilities (in a mysterious way) that the Catalyst couldn't accomplish by itself (for some reason). Shepard standing there (where ever it was) meant that Shepard could have involvement in changing the future (for no particular reason).

In other words, nobody knows. They pretend it's too complicated for us to understand so they don't have to bother explaining what doesn't exist. We should just imagine whatever fits in this black hole of reasoning.

[dreamgazer]

The Catalyst had to use the bathroom, and it needed Shepard to make a decision quick.

[Han Shot First]

I think either intentionally or unintentionally, the the Crucible interacting with the Citadel somehow altered the Catalyst's programming.

Or least that was what I thought he was implying by saying that the Crucible changed him, and altered variables. I guess it went into his Reaper.ini file and changed the agression value from Over 9000 to 0.

[111987]

1. This is the first cycle where the Citadel trap failed.
2. As a result of 1, the races of this cycle will have enough time and resources to preserve information for the next cycle, should they fail. This means that a species like the Raloi or the Yagh could have 50,000 years to prepare for the Reapers. This could truly spell doom for the Reapers in the next cycle.
3. The Crucible docks for the first time in history. This both changes the Catalyst and is a symbol that organics are on the cusp of ending the cycle. How it changes the Catalyst is unknown.
4. Related to 3, Shepard is the first organic ever to reach the Citadel and be in position to activate the Crucible. Once again showing how far organics have come and are about to defeat the cycle.
5. Because of all these things, the Catalyst no longer believes in its solution. It would prefer Synthesis, but even Control and Destroy are better in its eyes now.

[crimzontearz]

I approve the armor permutation in the avatar above

also blame Mac, according to him we do not need to know

[Ticonderoga117]

"You wouldn't know them, and there's not enough time to explain."

[Belisarius25]

Shepard figured out how to divide by 0

[knightnblu]

What Iakus said.

[Animositisomina]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"You wouldn't know them, and there's not enough time to explain."

This was in response to who originally created the catalyst, not what variables Shepard has changed.

[NeroonWilliams]

Animositisomina wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"You wouldn't know them, and there's not enough time to explain."

This was in response to who originally created the catalyst, not what variables Shepard has changed.

Yes, but it has also become code for Refusers to discount everything else that the Catalyst says and therefore render all other endings but their preferred as "wrong".

*Destroyers sometimes fly this flag as well.

[Ticonderoga117]

Animositisomina wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"You wouldn't know them, and there's not enough time to explain."

This was in response to who originally created the catalyst, not what variables Shepard has changed.

And I bet if Shepard asked, the answer would be the same. Basically: "Shut up and pick a color."

[Wayning_Star]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

When Shepard asks The Catalyst why is he helping him, The Catalyst say that Shepard altered the variables.
Does anybody have any idea what those "variables" are and how Shepard altered them?

"I don't mind speculative answers to this question"

my take on it were that because Shep was 'qualified' to reach the catalyst and engage the crucible, Then the catalyst found that there were new or different avenues to take. The crucible actually adds the varibles, eventhough you won't get many 'other' posters to agree with that, many like to think the catalyst is capable of being 'up to something' like an organic, more like a deceitful human;). Anyways, the Catalyst isn't helping Shepard,it's merely accessing new and improved(maybe) options/variable/choices and apparently presents them to Shep who is the only one who can choose them, as some of the choices only an organic can make, others the catalyst could make, but it's CORE programming ideal is harvest, but the catalyst states it won't work anymore.

So the variables are the choices,even to refuse and permit the catalyst to reamain in reaper mode. All demanded/incoded by the crucilble attachment to the catalyst/citadel section of it's control center.

[FlyinElk212]

I think the Catalyst needs a hardcore lesson on how to properly hit on someone...

"You can alter my variables whenever you'd like, Shep. ;;;;;;;;;)))))) "

[MegaSovereign]

Shepard's influence (along with the Prothean sabotage) has rendered the Catalyst's solution ineffective to its goal.

The purpose of the cycles is to reset the technological advancement of organic civilization. However, each cycle leaks information for the next (like the Prothean beacons and the Crucible blueprints). The Catalyst did not anticipate organics to be that resourceful, which is why inevitably one of the cycle's will successfully find a way to stop the Reapers. As per Refusal, even if Shepard doesn't set off the Crucible the next cycle wins anyway and the Catalyst knows this inevitability.

So a new "solution" is needed. The Catalyst is a synthetic that runs on cold logic so it's safe to assume it would assign preferences. Destroy is a "temporary" solution but a solution nontheless because now the Catalyst realizes that organics can just build another Crucible if a synthetic-organic war breaks out. Control is the 2nd best to the AI because it keeps the preserved races (Reapers) alive. Synthesis allegedly solves the problem outright because it keeps organics and synthetics at an even playing field.*

*That's the Catalyst's perspective. It's not MY view of things. So please respond accordingly.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 janvier 2013 - 03:04 .